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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 02:39 PM Jun 2015

Grand Canyon Escalade Dealt a Serious Blow

http://www.americanrivers.org/blog/grand-canyon-escalade-update/

Let me cut to the chase. The tram and massive construction project that were proposed in the Grand Canyon have been dealt a serious blow.

Incoming Navajo President Russell Begaye and Navajo Vice President Jonathan Nez have made strong public statements opposing the misguided Escalade project in the heart of the canyon. This is big news. Your voice, along with more than 200,000 others, helped raise awareness about this issue.

And with the support of our partners, we have seriously set back this terrible project. Thank you for helping us raise awareness about the need to protect the Colorado River in the Grand Canyon – America’s Most Endangered River of 2015 – and for making this significant progress possible.

Outside the National Park, developers proposed a dramatic expansion of the town of Tusayan on the canyon’s South Rim. This expansion could add thousands of new homes and retail stores. But the question is: how will they secure water to support the expansion?

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Grand Canyon Escalade Dealt a Serious Blow (Original Post) KamaAina Jun 2015 OP
Good! n/t PasadenaTrudy Jun 2015 #1
Glad to hear this! nt cwydro Jun 2015 #2
Just think of the landfill Politicalboi Jun 2015 #3
Better send a flatbed. This one is wrecked real bad. leveymg Jun 2015 #4
k&r... spanone Jun 2015 #5
good news! handmade34 Jun 2015 #6
Oh man! What wonderful news! calimary Jun 2015 #7
The economy may stop them tho. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2015 #10
I'm so glad he won the election. Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #8
Good, now put it out of it's misery. zeemike Jun 2015 #9
This makes me really happy to see the opposition dbackjon Jun 2015 #11
Developers won't be happy awoke_in_2003 Jun 2015 #12
Good...knr joeybee12 Jun 2015 #13
There's a couple modest hotels there already. alphafemale Jun 2015 #14
There are motels closer than Flagstaff and Williams that are closed Nac Mac Feegle Jun 2015 #15
Visited in October. alphafemale Jun 2015 #16
Most people don't realize Nac Mac Feegle Jun 2015 #17
Very true - I lived in Flagstaff for many years, and still visit up there dbackjon Jun 2015 #18
Perhaps they could set up transit between the Canyon and these locations KamaAina Jun 2015 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author dbackjon Jun 2015 #19
Savetheconfluence link Asdzaa_Chishi Jun 2015 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author dbackjon Jun 2015 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Asdzaa_Chishi Jun 2015 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author dbackjon Jun 2015 #25
Yes. Asdzaa_Chishi Jun 2015 #26
It is nature in all its glory. Leave it alone. lpbk2713 Jun 2015 #22

handmade34

(22,758 posts)
6. good news!
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 03:57 PM
Jun 2015

best comment so far

I apologize for being crude and vulgar, but am moved to say that the promoters of these schemes have their heads so far up their asses that they would pimp their own mothers if they thought they could make a buck. In other words, I am strongly opposed to the obscene greed that is striving to make personal gain from the destruction of one of the most precious natural treasures on earth
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calimary

(81,521 posts)
7. Oh man! What wonderful news!
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 04:31 PM
Jun 2015

But let's not get complacent. Sounds like this is only one step in the correct direction. The bad guys who want to develop develop develop and then develop develop develop some more WILL be back. They see money in it so they're not going to give up.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
10. The economy may stop them tho.
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 04:48 PM
Jun 2015

Some of the most frequent buyers of property and buildings, for speculation, here in the USA have been Russian and Chinese citizens who are trying to "protect" ( launder) their massive funds.
And for the past 3 months many any many reports that sales are crumbling, both in China and here, for "investments" of houses and condos.

So I do not know who these contractors think are going to buy their rebuilt city by the Canyon.
Few Americans can afford it.
Sales of homes in the SW and Cal. are dwindling now because of the known water issues.

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
11. This makes me really happy to see the opposition
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 05:42 PM
Jun 2015

The Confluence is a sacred spot - where the main creation story of the Hopi's mark as the emergence into the this world.

It was also an ugly intrusion into the canyon.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
14. There's a couple modest hotels there already.
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 06:53 PM
Jun 2015

If people absolutely need a hotel they can stay there.

They have many, many campsites you can drive right into.

A tent with an inflatable mattress in it is plenty comfortable.

And you get the point of actually well...camping.

For people that really want a hotel, from what I recall there are fair sized tons within about an hour to 90 minutes away.

Nac Mac Feegle

(971 posts)
15. There are motels closer than Flagstaff and Williams that are closed
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 07:57 PM
Jun 2015

due to lack of business. Gray Mountain, a few miles South of Cameron, has around 200 beds that are closed.

The rooms in The Canyon need reservations a sizable time ahead, and Tusayan is pretty spotty depending on season. The traffic into The Canyon is running about 20% above normal, per the Parks Service. The campgrounds fill up fast.

Valle, 25 mi south of Tusayan, has 2 closed Motels, and Bedrock City is up for sale because the owner is getting along, age wise. They have the best burgers for many miles at Fred's Diner, there.

If people were to exercise a little patience, and be willing to travel a bit to the 'satellite' locations, it would ease a lot of pressure on The Canyon itself. And provide much needed economic support for the smaller communities.

Just my take. I travel the area quite a bit.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
16. Visited in October.
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 08:24 PM
Jun 2015

We had our choice of campsites.

It was in the low 30's mornings but it warmed up fast enough.

That is the park itself.

Also went and hiked into Havasupai.

That was pretty much full.

Also probably only maybe mid 50's in the morning.

As that was canyon floor.

Nac Mac Feegle

(971 posts)
17. Most people don't realize
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 11:37 AM
Jun 2015

That the bottom of The Canyon is approximately the same altitude as Phoenix. The South Rim is about 7000 feet. Phantom Ranch in the bottom can be over 100, while the Rim is comfortable, just below 80.

The seasonal occupancy rates can be really weird. The week before Christmas can be 'dead', but the week after you can't get a room closer than Williams.

I have really weird job that I know this stuff.

I hope you had a wonderful time. It's one of my favorite places.

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
18. Very true - I lived in Flagstaff for many years, and still visit up there
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 12:54 PM
Jun 2015

Valle, Gray Mountain, even the motel at Cameron is not always full.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
20. Perhaps they could set up transit between the Canyon and these locations
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 01:08 PM
Jun 2015

the way Yosemite has.

http://yarts.com/

YARTS (Yosemite Area Regional Transportation System) is public transit in the Yosemite region, with buses entering Yosemite Valley from Merced, Mammoth Lakes, Sonora, and (beginning Summer 2015) Fresno—as well as many different towns along the way. YARTS began service in May 2000, and now provides an alternative to driving to nearly 100,000 riders per year.

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lpbk2713

(42,769 posts)
22. It is nature in all its glory. Leave it alone.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 05:48 PM
Jun 2015



It was never intended to be DisneyWorld.

Seems like anything humans touch they fuggup in no time flat.

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