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clarice

(5,504 posts)
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 04:05 PM Jun 2015

Ok....I've made up my mind.....I can't support Hillary...

First off, I am not a "basher" nor do I have a political axe to grind, these points are STRICTLY my opinions.

I'm not ready for for "The Clinton Experience" again. I got so sick of the Iras and the Mandys , and the Lannys
and the Susans that I almost got sick of politics.

I feel like she thinks it's some sort of Manifest Destiny
that entitles her to the White House. I'm not ready for more of the obfuscation, hazy facts, double speak
that plagued Bill's final term. Most importantly, I just can't trust her. Is she a hawk or dove ?...is she a liberal Democrat
or a "Third Wayer" ? , is she pro-Palestine or pro-Israel ? She just seems "slippery" to me. I just can't shake the feeling that
her agenda is not about advancing America, as much as it is advancing Clintonism.

Thanks for letting me voice my opinions without certain posters going into attack dog mode.

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Ok....I've made up my mind.....I can't support Hillary... (Original Post) clarice Jun 2015 OP
Your opinions are quite valid. I have some of my own too as to Cleita Jun 2015 #1
there was a thread talking about reporters getting kicked out of Hillary's roguevalley Jun 2015 #193
"minus zero tolerance" you nailed it. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #220
She went to Florida while drilling came up last week and had NO COMMENT on FLA shore drilling! TheNutcracker Jun 2015 #253
"BERNIE SANDERS MAKES ME *WANT* TO VOTE" Bubzer Jun 2015 #287
. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #2
Don't worry about the Rollie Eyes cartoon. bvar22 Jun 2015 #12
Thanks, I was wondering. lol clarice Jun 2015 #17
"LOL" is all posts like that deserve. bvar22 Jun 2015 #26
We aren't talking The Boondocks here either. More a lame, dumbed down mix of Beavis and Butthead, TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #291
If it wasn't for the site-provided smilies, you'd probably never hear from some folks again. Buns_of_Fire Jun 2015 #146
I'm loving this! GoneOffShore Jun 2015 #181
it is a rebuttal but actually putting it into words would get alerted on Romeo.lima333 Jun 2015 #127
Nonsense. bvar22 Jun 2015 #142
ok if you say so Romeo.lima333 Jun 2015 #145
If someone at DU... bvar22 Jun 2015 #150
well that's you, not everyone wants to be you. no offense to you Romeo.lima333 Jun 2015 #151
I don't want anyone else "to be me". bvar22 Jun 2015 #153
That's odd svpadgham Jun 2015 #179
Yes Roy Rolling Jun 2015 #242
You know its easy to get a hide on posts that dont violate ANY of the standards. 7962 Jun 2015 #184
You were hidden for racism RandiFan1290 Jun 2015 #218
Ha! Please show me my post that was hidden for "racism". 7962 Jun 2015 #223
Just like your old buddy Rhinodawg RandiFan1290 Jun 2015 #224
What does that tell me? Whoever he is, he's gone. As are many. 7962 Jun 2015 #226
I appreciate the Show Post feature. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #221
You can't rain on my parade. 840high Jun 2015 #102
I would never do that....clown make up washes off too easily. nt clarice Jun 2015 #111
I was responding to Mr. Roll Eyes. 840high Jun 2015 #191
So sorry !!!! nt clarice Jun 2015 #249
1 trick pony corkhead Jun 2015 #176
Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #188
* L0oniX Jun 2015 #238
Obviously, you are a privileged voter and not a minority. Must be nice. morningfog Jun 2015 #3
Saw that one. That post made me . . . pa28 Jun 2015 #163
They usually more or less translate to, "If you don't do as I want, you are the scum of the earth." merrily Jun 2015 #201
Me, too. It just looks like a rope-a-dope at worse or gauging the political winds at best.... marble falls Jun 2015 #4
You are not alone in those feelings. nt NewSystemNeeded Jun 2015 #5
wheeew. Thanks nt clarice Jun 2015 #37
Not a "basher"? yallerdawg Jun 2015 #6
I hope that was sarcasm. nt clarice Jun 2015 #18
Of course! yallerdawg Jun 2015 #21
Thanks, can't be sure sometimes. lol nt clarice Jun 2015 #36
Hillary is not Bill upaloopa Jun 2015 #7
How about a comparison of Hillary to Hillary Rilgin Jun 2015 #13
That's why i said IN MY OPINION !!!! nt clarice Jun 2015 #32
I think you are responding to wrong post Rilgin Jun 2015 #48
oooops you are right. So sorry. nt clarice Jun 2015 #52
No Problem at Alll (NT) Rilgin Jun 2015 #54
"Hillary is not Bill" Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2015 #159
My opinion is that the "current" version of H... Blus4u Jun 2015 #77
I think that you might be 100% right on. nt clarice Jun 2015 #85
exactly passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #94
Nail, meet hammer!.... N_E_1 for Tennis Jun 2015 #100
THIS! ^^^^^^ SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #112
Yes, my opinion too. rosesaylavee Jun 2015 #186
Sure werent seeing anything BEFORE that. nt 7962 Jun 2015 #187
It also had a lot to do with the strength of the "Draft Warren" movement. merrily Jun 2015 #205
Thanks Merrily demwing Jun 2015 #231
I believe folks should look at her.. sendero Jun 2015 #216
Nailed it! L0oniX Jun 2015 #241
Can't say this often enough passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #88
~THIS!~ yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #140
+1 nt rbnyc Jun 2015 #183
That is one very good post. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #222
I will reconsider my opinion that she is not as progressive as Bernie when she JDPriestly Jun 2015 #126
Just a thought Thespian2 Jun 2015 #173
aka, hope for trickle down. merrily Jun 2015 #206
We need leaders who get things as important as war, RIGHT when it is critical. We need leaders who sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #131
X2 ctsnowman Jun 2015 #227
She's independent. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2015 #158
No, it's not just wrong. merrily Jun 2015 #203
why did you ban me from the bernie group ? stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #229
I didn't block you from the group. I was not even a host when you got blocked. merrily Jun 2015 #233
i supporting Bernie for President stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #237
Both those statements are obviously untrue. merrily Jun 2015 #240
yes i do have a link stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #245
So, no link. Didn't think so. merrily Jun 2015 #246
Is she pro Palestine or Pro Israel???????????? leftofcool Jun 2015 #8
Does she kick puppies or hit them with a stick ... JoePhilly Jun 2015 #14
Not that I know of...but every dog has his day. nt clarice Jun 2015 #23
Does she have boxes in her garage? bvar22 Jun 2015 #34
No, I think that's where Lanny lives. lol nt clarice Jun 2015 #46
Nope but she did vote to go into Iraq shedevil69taz Jun 2015 #51
As did John Kerry. JoePhilly Jun 2015 #170
Is he running in the Democratic primary again? If not why is his vote even relevant to this thread? merrily Jun 2015 #204
. stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #228
Did I say that I didn't support Bill ???!!! sheesh..slaps her own forehead. nt clarice Jun 2015 #19
I'll say it: bvar22 Jun 2015 #124
Exactly. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2015 #164
Don't lose hope, we can do this! haikugal Jun 2015 #182
Nope, you are not allowed to your opinion. If you don't vote for her, you're... NightWatcher Jun 2015 #9
I think you nailed it, nt clarice Jun 2015 #20
Assigning oppression certainly seems to be the new vogue LanternWaste Jun 2015 #29
Playing the role of the victim and lashing out at critics as haters is the new modus operandi NightWatcher Jun 2015 #35
Oh brother, is it ever. hifiguy Jun 2015 #81
I'm surprised that the Clinton supporters… Efilroft Sul Jun 2015 #282
Yes including the fictitious claim that only 10-15 Clinton supporters are left on DU davidpdx Jun 2015 #213
no you vote for whomever you want to in the primary then you vote for the winner of that Romeo.lima333 Jun 2015 #132
+1 Jamaal510 Jun 2015 #174
Wasn't it "her turn" in 2008? tonybgood Jun 2015 #152
Shouldn't you mention, Paka Jun 2015 #166
I truly like Hillary. But it's sad how she embarrass herself and the Democratic Party every day Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #10
Well, but if she did, SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #116
No bashing from me! I've got too many bruises calimary Jun 2015 #11
+1nt clarice Jun 2015 #15
THIS! ^^^^^^ SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #119
Totally! If it winds up being Bernie, I am IN. I calimary Jun 2015 #141
I will vote for whomever the democratic candidate is. A republican in the WH will spell RKP5637 Jun 2015 #139
I've asked this question a number of times, that if Hillary Purrfessor Jun 2015 #154
I live in a solid blue state, and as such, will vote my conscience in that scenario. frylock Jun 2015 #161
I'm in Ohio. So I will vote for the Democratic nominee. Purrfessor Jun 2015 #169
It's not even about purple states: merrily Jun 2015 #208
Why should I be forced to pick the lesser of two evils - SCOTUS nominees? Jumpin Jack Flash Jun 2015 #190
If it matters not to you that two liberal justices could be replaced... Purrfessor Jun 2015 #277
I constantly remind anyone reading madokie Jun 2015 #200
I would hope all Democrats share your view. Vote one's Purrfessor Jun 2015 #279
I think it would kill it at this point madokie Jun 2015 #280
As do I. And even with a Democratic president it will continue... Purrfessor Jun 2015 #283
You mean "Bernie supporters" see no reason to answer to you, even though you have merrily Jun 2015 #211
. stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #230
So you want to judge me by the number of DU posts I've made... Purrfessor Jun 2015 #276
Do you sometimes feel that you are being held hostage... bvar22 Jun 2015 #284
Yeah, because 25 million jobs and the longest peacetime is so horrible. JaneyVee Jun 2015 #16
Here they come !!!!!!! nt clarice Jun 2015 #28
Armed with facts!!! JaneyVee Jun 2015 #56
Well, if you have all of the facts..... clarice Jun 2015 #59
You nailed it. mylye2222 Jun 2015 #104
Um, all I did was respond. Enough with all this "responding" stuff eh? JaneyVee Jun 2015 #168
Yes commandant...I will stop all this "responding stuff" immediately *does her best goose step*. nt clarice Jun 2015 #260
This message was self-deleted by its author Romeo.lima333 Jun 2015 #138
and prison's for profit and a huge leap heaven05 Jun 2015 #78
Bravo. Nailed it. hifiguy Jun 2015 #89
so, 25 million jobs. passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #97
25 million jobs what? zeemike Jun 2015 #103
I thought she is her own person Doctor_J Jun 2015 #109
OUCH !!! wish I had thought of that one. nt clarice Jun 2015 #115
I get the feeling this is going to be the same back and forth as vi5 Jun 2015 #121
You don't see the irony in your post? JaneyVee Jun 2015 #167
Is she running as her own person, or on her husband's resume'? If she Exilednight Jun 2015 #113
Ok, now I'm confused (happens easily)... tjl148 Jun 2015 #155
Well... kenfrequed Jun 2015 #263
I wish supporters would decide which way it is. If it is negative then it is misogyny but if it is a TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #157
"Foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." Emerson. "So is foolish inconsistency." merrily Jun 2015 #210
I might be prone to the former but I'll live with it over rudderless. TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #297
Yes, I've noticed. I like your stands. merrily Jun 2015 #298
and I your's TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #299
Bill promised "2 for the price of 1"; the Clintons delivered on that promise. Divernan Jun 2015 #214
I assume you mean in the primaries whatthehey Jun 2015 #22
Exactly. nt clarice Jun 2015 #25
I'll vote for her heaven05 Jun 2015 #86
A very "look at me!...please!" OP LordGlenconner Jun 2015 #24
Either that was the famed British "dry sense of humor" or your being kind of a jerk. nt clarice Jun 2015 #27
I can assure you I wasn't attempting to be humorous. LordGlenconner Jun 2015 #31
Then the other option is valid. nt clarice Jun 2015 #39
Sticks and stones, darling LordGlenconner Jun 2015 #40
It always facsinates me when I meet someone who..... clarice Jun 2015 #42
The British Surrender at Yorktown, 1781 jtuck004 Jun 2015 #69
Brilliant !!!!!!! lololol nt clarice Jun 2015 #73
It's not your opinion LordGlenconner Jun 2015 #107
I've got an idea....just have a Cinton burger.....then regurgitate your nonsense on DU. nt clarice Jun 2015 #108
I think it is option #2 peacebird Jun 2015 #38
lol. Brilliant. # 2 it is. nt clarice Jun 2015 #41
Funny, that's exactly how I read your reply peacebird Jun 2015 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jun 2015 #43
Have some irony with your tea and comeuppance? L0oniX Jun 2015 #243
None of these candidates can throw stones uponit7771 Jun 2015 #30
So what happens in November 2016 philosslayer Jun 2015 #44
Back off Jack !!! You don't want me to embarrass you in public. nt clarice Jun 2015 #49
uhh.... I have no idea what you're talking about. philosslayer Jun 2015 #53
Sorry slayer....they are coming at me so fast that i'm getting confused. My apologies.nt clarice Jun 2015 #55
I'm for Bernie but if she get the nom I will vote for her...and I think most Bernie followers feel movonne Jun 2015 #83
right !!!!!!????? I don't understand the animosity. nt clarice Jun 2015 #92
Yay! Bernie is the real deal. azmom Jun 2015 #45
So are you also saying that if he loses, you won't vote for Hillary? n/t Adrahil Jun 2015 #57
You REALLY need to pay more attention !!!! nt clarice Jun 2015 #64
Well I am going to support Bernie Kalidurga Jun 2015 #47
I think so too. nt clarice Jun 2015 #50
You'd rather have a Republican? Adrahil Jun 2015 #58
Good God !!!!!! What is your problem???? Go clean your room !!!!! nt clarice Jun 2015 #61
You said you can't support her. I assumed that means in the generals too... Adrahil Jun 2015 #65
No....your thought process were incomplete. nt clarice Jun 2015 #67
Well, one thing I've learned here. The Primaries certainly bring out the best in people. lol nt clarice Jun 2015 #70
It sure does... I never expected to see the animosity... Adrahil Jun 2015 #189
Thanks Adrahil nt clarice Jun 2015 #261
OP just said they DIDN'T want Hillary! [nt] Jester Messiah Jun 2015 #160
+1 L0oniX Jun 2015 #244
LOL Javaman Jun 2015 #268
Look, I am not a fan, far from it rufus dog Jun 2015 #60
What......???????? I was voicing my opinion. Don't be such a fascist. nt clarice Jun 2015 #62
You call the poster a fascist while complaining about attacks? yardwork Jun 2015 #285
+100 heaven05 Jun 2015 #95
Cool story, but can you explain RandiFan1290 Jun 2015 #63
I'm sorry....explain what....my opinion ?? nt clarice Jun 2015 #66
Miracles, yo! RandiFan1290 Jun 2015 #68
Huh? Are you replying to the right op? nt clarice Jun 2015 #71
It sounds more personal than anything about the issues treestar Jun 2015 #72
Perhaps you are right...just a feeling that I have. nt clarice Jun 2015 #76
"I don't get the trusting issue part. You can hold her feet to the fire." passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #101
Wouldn't that be the case with any POTUS? treestar Jun 2015 #247
I would say not all POTUS have been the same passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #289
I feel basically the same way. I like her a lot. I just happen to like Bernie more. BlueJazz Jun 2015 #74
Another polite, thoughtful response. Thanks you. nt clarice Jun 2015 #80
This is only in regards to the primaries I hope? Xyzse Jun 2015 #75
A very reasoned, polite, thoughtful rebuttal. I wish there were more people like you......... clarice Jun 2015 #79
We're very cool then. Xyzse Jun 2015 #84
Way cool!!!! nt clarice Jun 2015 #87
Good. I am with you on this. I will vote for Bernie in our primary but if HRC is CTyankee Jun 2015 #96
Ditto to your OP. SoapBox Jun 2015 #82
Thanks, I'm needing all the help I can get....simply for stating an opinion. nt clarice Jun 2015 #90
I am sorry you feel that way. Good luck to your candidate./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #91
Good luck to ALL of us. nt clarice Jun 2015 #93
So, what are you for? GeorgeGist Jun 2015 #98
The best candidate for the job.nt clarice Jun 2015 #105
Happy to have you! 840high Jun 2015 #99
Thanks....I really needed that. lol nt clarice Jun 2015 #106
Thanks for having the intestinal fortitude to post this. SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #110
Thanks, I didn't mean to stir up such a hornets nest. Liberals are supposed to be tolerant..nt clarice Jun 2015 #114
Oh, it's not that much of a hornets' nest SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #117
crossing fingers....thanks girl. nt clarice Jun 2015 #118
I agree...8 years of peace and prosperity were absolute hell! joeybee12 Jun 2015 #120
8 years of peace & prosperity? bvar22 Jun 2015 #134
Thanks for the post... joeybee12 Jun 2015 #135
Devoid of facts. bvar22 Jun 2015 #149
Ended welfare as we know it and lobbied for repeal of Glass Steagall, which led to collapse of merrily Jun 2015 #209
you forgot giving china most favored nation trading status. nt Javaman Jun 2015 #270
I'm sure I forget to mention lots of things. That's why I love my fellow posters so much. merrily Jun 2015 #273
cheers. :) nt Javaman Jun 2015 #274
Thanks, and to you as well. merrily Jun 2015 #275
Or Sanders, or O'Malley, or Chafee... demmiblue Jun 2015 #122
Hey Clarice maybe you will like yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #123
This message was self-deleted by its author Romeo.lima333 Jun 2015 #125
Then don't, but I would hope in the general election you vote Democratic still_one Jun 2015 #128
Clinton does seem to be anointed .. ananda Jun 2015 #129
IMHO 40RatRod Jun 2015 #130
She voted for the Iraq War. sulphurdunn Jun 2015 #133
it's a show-stopper for me Skittles Jun 2015 #215
Yes, and to add insult to injury sulphurdunn Jun 2015 #232
+1 nt Javaman Jun 2015 #272
Y'all are posting in a thread! RandiFan1290 Jun 2015 #136
I must admit, I do not trust Ms. Clinton either... TheProgressive Jun 2015 #137
You can't now...but you will come two Novembers from now. ileus Jun 2015 #143
Pardon me but aren't you against a minimum wage hike? Kingofalldems Jun 2015 #144
I've never seen a liberal opinion from that poster RandiFan1290 Jun 2015 #147
This thread is funny. Kingofalldems Jun 2015 #148
it's consistent with the polls, those who are liberal tend to be more supportive JI7 Jun 2015 #207
You missed my point, which would be hidden if I actually stated it. Kingofalldems Jun 2015 #217
I agree, can't vote Clinton either raindaddy Jun 2015 #156
its 2015 NOT 2016 and are you a DEMOCRAT? any vote other is a REPUBLICAN VOTE. PERIOD. bunch of cry pansypoo53219 Jun 2015 #162
You should read post #79 and then apologize to the op. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #171
Thanks Scottie. nt clarice Jun 2015 #264
You stated it very clearly, Paka Jun 2015 #165
Thank you Paka. nt clarice Jun 2015 #250
Thank You for Yet Another "Is She or Is She Not" Post. Gamecock Lefty Jun 2015 #172
Agree on all points. joanbarnes Jun 2015 #175
I'm not a huge Hillary fan either, but...... Booster Jun 2015 #177
No agenda? longship Jun 2015 #178
Gee, it helps me. zentrum Jun 2015 #180
So I should keep my opinions to myself? What do Women know about this "Politics bidness"nt clarice Jun 2015 #251
Who posted anything about women? longship Jun 2015 #265
sorry longship....woke up on the wrong side this morning........ clarice Jun 2015 #266
Of course I will. longship Jun 2015 #267
Thanks can you send me one long distance? lol clarice Jun 2015 #269
It is on its way, my friend. longship Jun 2015 #271
Got it !!! Arrived in good shape. lol clarice Jun 2015 #281
I won't support her either. n/t PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #185
C'mon, cut the woman some slack tularetom Jun 2015 #192
Because there's not a dime's worth of difference between Al Gore and George Bush greenman3610 Jun 2015 #194
Your sarcasm aside...Neither Bush nor Gore apply to this thread. nt clarice Jun 2015 #262
Welcome to the dogpile. Enjoy your stay. McCamy Taylor Jun 2015 #195
I grew to dislike her during the 2008 primary, but... gateley Jun 2015 #196
To say, at this point, that you can't vote for Hilary if she gets on the ballot in Nov is absurd... Moonwalk Jun 2015 #197
What I should have said was that I can't support Hillary in the primaries. nt clarice Jun 2015 #259
I can't suppoert her in the primary eridani Jun 2015 #198
You are right on point and you have the right to support the candidate akbacchus_BC Jun 2015 #199
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #202
You have every right to express your opinion. Now, bow before Zod, missy. merrily Jun 2015 #212
Ok *does a full fledged Southern curtsy* how was that? lol, clarice Jun 2015 #252
Gotta go with clarice on this. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #219
Maybe you should vote for Ralph Nader.... Mustellus Jun 2015 #225
At least your reasons are better than people that blame DU's supporters. Bonobo Jun 2015 #234
"The Clinton Experience" Progressive dog Jun 2015 #235
You are very welcome. nt clarice Jun 2015 #254
So at DEMOCRATIC Underground, rather than throwing your support behind a Democrat... onehandle Jun 2015 #236
poster was saying SCantiGOP Jun 2015 #248
Please re-read my post. You missed it the first time. nt clarice Jun 2015 #256
I read it again SCantiGOP Jun 2015 #278
Yeah, that is where I get pissed off, but I am tired of talking to those people, I will randys1 Jun 2015 #257
Please re-read my OP again, you missed it the first time. nt clarice Jun 2015 #255
So at DEMOCRATIC Underground, clarice DID throw her support behind a Democrat... Autumn Jun 2015 #294
Good for you One of the 99 Jun 2015 #239
Please re-read my op. You missed it the first time...... clarice Jun 2015 #258
Didn't miss anything. One of the 99 Jun 2015 #286
Dude (or Dude-et). The poster is talking about the primary d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #290
I hope so. nt One of the 99 Jun 2015 #293
Are you talking about the primary or the general or both? nt pnwmom Jun 2015 #288
Primaries....should have said that in the OP. nt clarice Jun 2015 #296
I've made up my mind too! Lisa D Jun 2015 #292
I am not going to vote for any candidate that is backed by the oligarchy. L0oniX Jun 2015 #295

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
1. Your opinions are quite valid. I have some of my own too as to
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 04:08 PM
Jun 2015

why I prefer Bernie to her. I hope you don't get attacked too badly.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
193. there was a thread talking about reporters getting kicked out of Hillary's
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 12:16 AM
Jun 2015

space and they were pretty sad reporters apparently. I did mention how the press is getting pissed across the board about her not speaking to them and this was the answer: "This is the Hillary room."

I didn't notice. However, I find this instantaneous punch in the face pretty sad. Apparently, there is a minus zero tolerance for any deviation from the strict party line there. I had no idea.

 

TheNutcracker

(2,104 posts)
253. She went to Florida while drilling came up last week and had NO COMMENT on FLA shore drilling!
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 10:58 AM
Jun 2015

Nor on TPP! Could that be because she helped to organize the trade agreement????????????


Don't trust her either. Don't like the bad and worse to vote for.
First time in my life I'm happy.

BERNIE SANDERS MAKES ME *WANT* TO VOTE!!

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
26. "LOL" is all posts like that deserve.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 04:37 PM
Jun 2015

There is an element here who have never progressed beyond cartoons.

TheKentuckian

(25,029 posts)
291. We aren't talking The Boondocks here either. More a lame, dumbed down mix of Beavis and Butthead,
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 07:31 PM
Jun 2015

Apartment 3G, Family Circus, and the booger picking pervert kid we all came across from elementary school flipping his crude drawings on the edge of a notebook or index cards but without the depth of contribution to the national dialog, coherence, or fun loving spirit replaced by heaping helpings of snark, condescension, and mean spiritedness.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,196 posts)
146. If it wasn't for the site-provided smilies, you'd probably never hear from some folks again.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 06:09 PM
Jun 2015

Eons from now, when Cthulhu or whoever is rifling through this ancient site, looking for some good porn, they'll run across several posts filled with nothing but or or or occasionally (my favorite). And they'll see other posts (like this one) that do nothing but rattle on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and sometimes get to the point, but often don't. Don't worry about it. We all will be poopie-scooping for the Blankfein-Borg (aka Cthulhu) while the purest of heart ( ) will be supping on triple-pepperoni pizza while watching reruns of the Mary Tyler Moore Show with an endless supply of cold Guinness Extra Stout.

I know these things. I'm the Whistler.

GoneOffShore

(17,341 posts)
181. I'm loving this!
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 10:31 PM
Jun 2015

Not only is it Hyper-DUZY level, but you win the Internets and the Googles forever!

Really brilliant stuff!

And only one smiley:

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
150. If someone at DU...
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 06:21 PM
Jun 2015

...is incapable of composing a post that within our Community Standards,
then they need to study at the Beavis & Butthead Chatroom at AOL.

I have had posts alerted on....and hidden,
and I KNEW at the time I posted them they would probably be hidden,
but when I have 5 to spare, sometimes it is worth it.

Besides, EVERYBODY clicks on "Show Post", so the words are not lost.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
153. I don't want anyone else "to be me".
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 06:32 PM
Jun 2015

My skin is full,
and I don't think the World could handle two of me.

Sometimes, I would like a twin surrogate to do stuff like get firewood, split it, and stack it,
or go to town and get supplies,
but I can do without.

Roy Rolling

(6,933 posts)
242. Yes
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:35 AM
Jun 2015

They broke that bvar22 mold after one use. But a firewood-splitting clone is every man's dream.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
184. You know its easy to get a hide on posts that dont violate ANY of the standards.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 11:17 PM
Jun 2015

I see it all the time and its happened once to me. yet some that ARE obvious violations are left alone.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
223. Ha! Please show me my post that was hidden for "racism".
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 07:05 AM
Jun 2015

Unless you're just joking & pointing out that ANY post that gets hidden can be called "racism" around here.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
226. What does that tell me? Whoever he is, he's gone. As are many.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 07:47 AM
Jun 2015

Just recently there was an OP on one long time member being banned simply because he make ONE poorly chosen post.
I've had 1 post hidden in 5 yrs.
You accuse that it was "racist". It was not. Had nothing to do with race. I guess you're one of the folks I referred to in my original response!

Response to MohRokTah (Reply #2)

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
3. Obviously, you are a privileged voter and not a minority. Must be nice.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 04:11 PM
Jun 2015

That is sarcasm, based on the asinine posts we read here recently.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
201. They usually more or less translate to, "If you don't do as I want, you are the scum of the earth."
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 03:03 AM
Jun 2015

marble falls

(57,239 posts)
4. Me, too. It just looks like a rope-a-dope at worse or gauging the political winds at best....
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 04:14 PM
Jun 2015

or maybe she's the Rorschach test candidate.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
6. Not a "basher"?
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 04:17 PM
Jun 2015

And then "bash away" with straight-out-of-right-wing-conspiracy Hillary hatin' 'anyone but' least factual opinion dirge possible.

You forgot this -

but I won't go into attack mode. You are entitled to your own opinion.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
7. Hillary is not Bill
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 04:18 PM
Jun 2015

Comparing a future Hillary administration with Bill Clinton's is just wrong.
I think some folks just don't get the fact that Hillary is a strong progressive woman.

You may as well say my wife is just like me. But you'd be wrong there too. My wife is a strong independent woman with her own mind and opinions as is Hillary. You need to learn to give women there due.

Rilgin

(787 posts)
13. How about a comparison of Hillary to Hillary
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 04:30 PM
Jun 2015

You have an assumption that people are comparing Hillary and Bill and assuming that Hillary is Bill. Your claim is that she is not Bill.

Actually, most people totally agree. However, unlike your claim, most of us are comparing Hillary to Hillary. We know who Hillary is outside of Bill. Her current version of herself has nothing to do with Bill, it conflicts with Hillary's past.

Rilgin

(787 posts)
48. I think you are responding to wrong post
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 04:48 PM
Jun 2015

I am not a HRC supporter. I responded to a poster who said Hillary is not Bill which is a constant meme around here, thinking that people do not know who HRC is on her own.

The poster was conflating specific criticism of HRC with a general plaint that we should not consider a wife as the same person as her husband. I can agree with that general statement, but pointed out that is not what people are doing. People on this site questioning HRC, generally do not seem to have doubts about HRC because they/we have doubts about Bill. We have doubts about Hillary because we have doubts about Hillary.

Blus4u

(608 posts)
77. My opinion is that the "current" version of H...
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 05:10 PM
Jun 2015

...was quickly hammered together following Bernie's declaring and the groundswell of support his message was receiving.

I believe this is why we see this populist slant from her today.

Just my opinion.
Peace

N_E_1 for Tennis

(9,779 posts)
100. Nail, meet hammer!....
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 05:29 PM
Jun 2015

Exactly on point. Again, just my opinion, but I feel she latched on to something she knows will resonate with the popular opinion, but does not really believe it. I could be wrong.

History on each candidate tells the story louder than the words that come out the mouths.

As said many many times, "the proof is in the pudding"!

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
231. Thanks Merrily
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 08:04 AM
Jun 2015

I was scanning the thread to see if someone dropped that tidbit. Should have known you would come through

sendero

(28,552 posts)
216. I believe folks should look at her..
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 05:46 AM
Jun 2015

... voting record and dismiss anything she says. Talk is cheap. Obama actually had many of us convinced he was a progressive. Talk is cheap.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
88. Can't say this often enough
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 05:15 PM
Jun 2015
Her current version of herself has nothing to do with Bill, it conflicts with Hillary's past.


Why isn't this obvious to everyone?

Do people just put on the blinders to her past positions, support, and to her funding by big money, because they are so enamored with her?

I don't visit right wing fundy sites, so my opinions about Hillary have all come from watching her in the news; and from here on DU and other liberal leaning web sites. I am not dissing her because of some wacky conspiracy theory. I supported her on the asinine Benghazi attacks, and any other stupid right wing attack that had no merit; but that didn't mean I liked her. I even thought she handled the Bill crisis with aplomb. But, I've seen her for who she really is since she got into the white house. She hasn't suddenly changed into someone who supports populist ideology; but she sure is doing a good job of pulling the wool over a lot of eyes.

Is she a strong woman who stands for women's rights? Yes, but a president has to be strong on more than one issue. I am a woman and I support women's rights, but this country is more than just women. She is for the TPP, as it stands now, regardless of her campaign speeches. that does not support women anywhere.

I suspect she will be our next President, unless she does something to lose to a Republican. And I will vote for her if necessary, but I'm not happy about it. We really need a progressive President this time around and Bernie is the only one telling the truth out there.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
126. I will reconsider my opinion that she is not as progressive as Bernie when she
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 05:57 PM
Jun 2015

tells us how she plans to fund the programs she is proposing.

What are the specifics of her plans.

Bernie tells his.

And when will Hillary give interviews to the press so that those of us in places like California can assess her ability to answer questions extemporaneously?

I'm sure she plans to come out of her cocoon. But when? And will she answer questions on the TPP, the XL pipeline, etc.?

Thespian2

(2,741 posts)
173. Just a thought
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 09:52 PM
Jun 2015

She will open up when Mook tells her to...

In her NY speech she said that she would give large corporations an incentive to earn more money and perhaps help the little people...TYT

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
131. We need leaders who get things as important as war, RIGHT when it is critical. We need leaders who
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 06:01 PM
Jun 2015

have the foresight to see the consequences of a Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, and wherever else we are these days. Enough is enough, we need leaders who don't have to apologize more than a decade later for something most of us ordinary people were able to predict back then.

Imagine eg if we had a Congress filled with people like Sanders and Byrd and all the other good Dems who DID have that foresight and good judgement but were let down by members of their own party?

All the lives that would have been saved, all the money that could have gone to make this a better country for everyone.

In ANY job, if you made a mistake, assuming it was a mistake, with one hundred times less consequences than eg, the Patriot Act, Iraq, you would be instantly fired and would be lucky if you ever worked again.

I'm sorry but to be asked to forget something as horrific as that war and all those Bush policies that got support making them possible, when a good opposition party would have ended them before they began, is simply not rational.

Millions of people's lives were affected by that decision. I don't understand why people are willing to overlook these things.

It's nothing personal, but we are the ones who decide the course this country takes in the future, and it is an awesome responsiblity towards this country, but more and more since the neocons set us on a course of forever war, towards the people of so many others. I know they used to have hope we could stop them, and we tried, but we did not have the support of many of our leaders.

stonecutter357

(12,697 posts)
229. why did you ban me from the bernie group ?
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 08:01 AM
Jun 2015

All i did was tell you, that your op was on the front page of DU..

merrily

(45,251 posts)
233. I didn't block you from the group. I was not even a host when you got blocked.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 08:28 AM
Jun 2015

Last edited Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:03 AM - Edit history (1)

Therefore, I had no ability to block you. However, that was not all you did.

Moreover, this is not how you appeal a block.

Besides, the group is for those who are supporting Bernie for President and you clearly are not supporting Bernie for President.

stonecutter357

(12,697 posts)
237. i supporting Bernie for President
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:28 AM
Jun 2015

And you bragged about the ban you gave me,it was revenge and you know it.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
240. Both those statements are obviously untrue.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:32 AM
Jun 2015

Got a link to that alleged post of mine allegedly bragging about blocking you, given I had no power to block you?

I'd ask "Revenge for what?" except I really don't want another false reply.

stonecutter357

(12,697 posts)
245. yes i do have a link
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:41 AM
Jun 2015

and you can look it up. have a nice day and good luck with your precious.

one more thing how meany people have you ban from that group?

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
8. Is she pro Palestine or Pro Israel????????????
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 04:21 PM
Jun 2015

Most people are both. But whatever. She isn't Bill and we don't care if you support Bill or not.

shedevil69taz

(512 posts)
51. Nope but she did vote to go into Iraq
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 04:49 PM
Jun 2015

Which is why this active duty Soldier will never vote for her, all other reasons not withstanding.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
170. As did John Kerry.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 08:37 PM
Jun 2015

And if we want to go back into Iraq, and Iran, and a few other middle eastern countries, we should definitely let the GOP win.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
204. Is he running in the Democratic primary again? If not why is his vote even relevant to this thread?
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 03:09 AM
Jun 2015

Talk about beating a dead horse with a dull stick!

BTW, in case you missed it, he lost the Presidential election. Being for the war in Iraq before he was against it didn't help him.

But, as you know, Hillary did not just vote for the war, she advocated for it.




Kerry did not do that. And, unlike Kerry, Hillary took her time before being against it, even though she says she realized it was a mistake. I don't think any of that is going to help her.



In "Hard Choices," Clinton, a former secretary of state and former U.S. senator who is exploring a 2016 presidential campaign, writes: "[M]any Senators came to wish they had voted against the resolution. I was one of them. As the war dragged on, with every letter I sent to a family in New York who had lost a son or daughter, a father or mother, my mistake become (sic) more painful."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/06/05/hillary-clinton-on-iraq-vote-i-still-got-it-wrong-plain-and-simple/

Yet, she said nothing for years.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
124. I'll say it:
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 05:56 PM
Jun 2015

I don't support Bill Clinton, the damage he did to America's Working Class,
and his continued support for these NeoLiberal (read:Republican) Economic Policies.

I couldn't care less about anything that happens between consenting adults.
Aside from that, he's a pretty nice guy,
though I NEVER believed him when he said that he felt MY pain,
and then went to $1,000 dinners.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
164. Exactly.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 07:01 PM
Jun 2015

Ugggh, what horrible policies he had, and what horrible policies she'll bring.

I just want want to puke. I guess we deserve who we elect. I wish and hope for Bernie ... but ...

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
182. Don't lose hope, we can do this!
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 10:34 PM
Jun 2015

At least I can cast a vote for someone I truly support because they deserve my vote for their policies!

Clinton hasn't earned my support, at all!

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
9. Nope, you are not allowed to your opinion. If you don't vote for her, you're...
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 04:22 PM
Jun 2015

Showing that you have some kind of white guy privilege.
Sexist, because she's a woman and if you don't vote for her you hate all women.

It's her turn dammit, didn't you hear? She's the candidate of destiny and is due the office because she's a woman.

What other ones have I missed?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
29. Assigning oppression certainly seems to be the new vogue
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 04:38 PM
Jun 2015

Assigning a well-fitted and comfortable oppression certainly seems to be the new vogue. And, as it deftly replaces rational thought, I understand the mental convenience...

Efilroft Sul

(3,582 posts)
282. I'm surprised that the Clinton supporters…
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 12:48 PM
Jun 2015

…haven't alerted on every perceived anti-Hillary post in this thread, including the OP, for some bullshit TOS violation.

Must be too much work for the Hivemind.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
213. Yes including the fictitious claim that only 10-15 Clinton supporters are left on DU
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 04:01 AM
Jun 2015

Apparently they've all been scared away. The truth is there are still LOTS of Clinton supporters on DU.

 

Romeo.lima333

(1,127 posts)
132. no you vote for whomever you want to in the primary then you vote for the winner of that
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 06:02 PM
Jun 2015

you "missed" that one

tonybgood

(218 posts)
152. Wasn't it "her turn" in 2008?
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 06:29 PM
Jun 2015

I seem to remember hearing the same rhetoric before about this and "destiny". If she's the nominee I will vote for her but my support is for Sanders.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
10. I truly like Hillary. But it's sad how she embarrass herself and the Democratic Party every day
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 04:24 PM
Jun 2015

It would be so easy to take a stand on these major issues like the corporate trade deals. But she's so busy trying to protect the big banks and corporations she can't figure it out.

It makes the Democrats look weak and wishy washy.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
116. Well, but if she did,
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 05:47 PM
Jun 2015

I for one would have trouble believing her. Or at least being sure she would stick to it.

calimary

(81,498 posts)
11. No bashing from me! I've got too many bruises
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 04:27 PM
Jun 2015

from anti-Hillary bashing already so I'm NOT inclined to return the "favor".

But I hope perhaps, IF she does wind up as the nominee, that you can still find a way to vote for her. What you'd be voting for in that case would be keeping the White House in Democratic hands. And keeping the next Supreme Court picks in Democratic hands. I certainly plan to return THAT favor if Bernie beats Hillary to the nomination.

calimary

(81,498 posts)
141. Totally! If it winds up being Bernie, I am IN. I
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 06:06 PM
Jun 2015

still want a woman in that job. But it absolutely has to and needs to be a Dem.

Unlike the other side, we've got some pretty doggone great options. The other guys have at least a dozen Nothings. And Nothing but bad news if that side prevails!

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
139. I will vote for whomever the democratic candidate is. A republican in the WH will spell
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 06:06 PM
Jun 2015

disaster like some in the masses have likely not envisioned. It will be a significant turning point for the US well on the path to being a dystopia. Idiocracy will blossom.

Purrfessor

(1,188 posts)
154. I've asked this question a number of times, that if Hillary
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 06:33 PM
Jun 2015

is the nominee, what will Bernie supporters do? So far I have gotten zero responses. It makes me wonder if a large contingent on DU will not register a vote for Hillary.

This, to me, is scary, particularly if enough Dems nationally skip the election. I don't even want to think about Republicans not only controlling Congress, but also the presidency and the power to nominate SC justices.

That alone should make people get out and vote even if they do not support Hillary.

 

Jumpin Jack Flash

(242 posts)
190. Why should I be forced to pick the lesser of two evils - SCOTUS nominees?
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 11:47 PM
Jun 2015

At this point, the corporatists are set in SCOTUS. Think about it. Who really favors the 1% vs the 99% in SCOTUS on key issues?

Purrfessor

(1,188 posts)
277. If it matters not to you that two liberal justices could be replaced...
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 12:33 PM
Jun 2015

with another Alito and another Thomas, then vote for a alternate party or don't vote. Personally, I think women's rights, civil rights and voting rights are far to valuable to risk losing based on the presumption that the Supreme Court will always side with corporations so it makes no difference who is appointed to the court.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
200. I constantly remind anyone reading
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:55 AM
Jun 2015

I am a yellow dog democrat and I will Vote for our Nominee in the general election. I will not vote for Hillary in the primary though, sorry

Purrfessor

(1,188 posts)
279. I would hope all Democrats share your view. Vote one's
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 12:41 PM
Jun 2015

preference in the primary. Vote for the Democrat in the general. A Republican president with a Republican Congress and a conservative Supreme Court would be devastating to this country.

Purrfessor

(1,188 posts)
283. As do I. And even with a Democratic president it will continue...
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 01:01 PM
Jun 2015

to be a tightrope walk until Democrats can begin to take back some of the Republican state legislatures writing laws to undermine voting rights. And it could be another ten to fifteen years or more before that happens. Until then we have to at least be able to tread water.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
211. You mean "Bernie supporters" see no reason to answer to you, even though you have
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 03:50 AM
Jun 2015

no authority to know how they will vote; they have absolutely nothing to gain from making declarations about the general before the primary even begins; and loyalty oaths are repugnant?

My, that is scary.

Nonetheless, I have seen lots of supporters of Sanders post on DU that they will vote for the Democratic nominee, including on this thread. I wish they wouldn't do that, but plenty do. So, maybe you're forgetting, or something.

732 posts, registered in 2001. Amazing how many very, very infrequent posters have been motivated to surface to support Hillary in this primary.

Purrfessor

(1,188 posts)
276. So you want to judge me by the number of DU posts I've made...
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 12:21 PM
Jun 2015

since becoming a member in 2001? I'm sorry but my loyalty to the Democratic Party is not measured by the number of times I've posted to DU.

You accuse me of being an infrequent poster who only surfaced to support Hillary. Since you seem to know so much about me, tell me then, how many times per day do I check into DU? How many times in the last month or the last year? You might be surprised by the answer, and even reject it outright since it doesn't support your image of me.

And your assumption that I am a Hillary supporter is just that, an assumption.

And the reason I even ask the question is due to the level of what appears to me to be borderline hatred of Hillary Clinton. And then the question becomes, for those displaying such animosity, is it possible they think a Hillary presidency would be equal to or worse than a Republican presidency?

Frankly, I'll take any Democratic president over a Republican every time.

But since it apparently makes you feel better attacking my Democratic credentials because you assume I support Hillary, then go for it. But of one thing you can be certain, I will never abandon the Democratic Party because whichever candidate I support loses in the primary.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
284. Do you sometimes feel that you are being held hostage...
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:16 PM
Jun 2015

...over the SC Appointments,
and that is used to convince people to vote for Hillary even though they KNOW her Economic Package is to channel more money to the RICH and keep the WARS going?

 

clarice

(5,504 posts)
59. Well, if you have all of the facts.....
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 04:59 PM
Jun 2015

Let's just shut DU down...and run every post through you. You can decide what is appropriate
or what doesn't follow the party line. Enough with all of this OPINION stuff !!!!!!!

 

mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
104. You nailed it.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 05:34 PM
Jun 2015

The Official Line. Support the Imposed Candidate ..... She is due to office, period....

 

clarice

(5,504 posts)
260. Yes commandant...I will stop all this "responding stuff" immediately *does her best goose step*. nt
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:16 AM
Jun 2015

Response to clarice (Reply #28)

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
78. and prison's for profit and a huge leap
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 05:11 PM
Jun 2015

in minority incarceration, NAFTA, welfare reform, telecommunications deregulation which invariably led to the Media conglomerates in the hands of RW billionaires, glass-steagall bank reform repeal.....the Clinton experience. Thanks Bill, now what's coming up with the next Clinton, I wonder, if she makes POTUS.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
89. Bravo. Nailed it.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 05:16 PM
Jun 2015

And may the IPU, the FSM and Princess Celestia save us from Round Two of that shit.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
97. so, 25 million jobs.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 05:23 PM
Jun 2015

How come our standard of living is still going down? How come those jobs did not raise all boats? How come the corporations are still taking all the profit after offshoring so many businesses?

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
103. 25 million jobs what?
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 05:30 PM
Jun 2015

Created in the service sector to replace the jobs that went south with that giant sucking sound created by NAFTA?
And the longest peacetime compared to today's state of permanent war?

The Clinton administration continued the decline of the middle class started under Reagan...and no president has done anything to stop it.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
109. I thought she is her own person
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 05:42 PM
Jun 2015

So we can give her credit for the jobs during WJC's term, but not NAFTA, DOMA, DADT? Right upthread here a Hillarian explained how she is not her husband. Which is it? You can't even make a firm decision on that.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
121. I get the feeling this is going to be the same back and forth as
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 05:52 PM
Jun 2015

"President Obama is not in charge of Congress! They have to pass the laws! Don't blame him that a law either wasn't passed or was bad!!!"

A good law is somehow against all odds passed by Congress.

"Thank you President Obama!!!"

There's a certain stripe of Democrat (usually the party hard tow-the-hard liners) who can always manage to have it both ways, and when you point that out....well it's somehow your fault for wanting a pony or not understanding dice or some similar bullshit.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
167. You don't see the irony in your post?
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 07:35 PM
Jun 2015

Op wanted to use "the Clinton experience". Yes, Hillary is very much her own person.

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
113. Is she running as her own person, or on her husband's resume'? If she
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 05:45 PM
Jun 2015

She is her own woman, then she can't claim that achievement. If she's running on Bill's record, then she has to, also, take responsibility for his failures.

tjl148

(185 posts)
155. Ok, now I'm confused (happens easily)...
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 06:37 PM
Jun 2015

First I'm told H and B are two different people and to not compare her to the Clinton Administration and now I'm told that we just use the "Clinton experience." Which is it? Or do we just use what is convenient at the time? And just what role did H have in the 25 million jobs and "the longest peacetime"?

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
263. Well...
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:26 AM
Jun 2015

Whenever it is something good that Bill did then she gets a lot of credit for it, even if it is vague sort of mood-credit. If it was something foolish or short sighted he did then obviously Hillary is against it.

Personally I wish she would just speak specifically to what policies she is going to push. Vague sentiments like: having sympathy for students in the student loan crisis are meaningless.

TheKentuckian

(25,029 posts)
157. I wish supporters would decide which way it is. If it is negative then it is misogyny but if it is a
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 06:45 PM
Jun 2015

positive from her husband's term then that is fine and dandy.

The misogyny yellers are inconsistent hypocrites not once have I seen one blast someone making a complimentary connection to her husband.

Seems fans want to give her any credit but no responsibility for any downside. It is dishonest bullshit. Misogyny is just a cudgel here or it would apply coming and going plus it is a nonsense talking point anyway or they'd have no trouble defining the differences in policy positions and have some kind of explanation of why she'd be a founder of the DLC if she actually had this very different worldview.

If she is elected the buck will not even hover wantingly near her desk, the fans will tolerate credit only. No buck will be accepted.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
210. "Foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." Emerson. "So is foolish inconsistency."
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 03:43 AM
Jun 2015

merrily.

TheKentuckian

(25,029 posts)
297. I might be prone to the former but I'll live with it over rudderless.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 08:34 AM
Jun 2015

Where I stand on issues isn't set on random or convenient.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
214. Bill promised "2 for the price of 1"; the Clintons delivered on that promise.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 04:10 AM
Jun 2015
Bill Clinton said that in electing him, the nation would "get two for the price of one", referring to the prominent role his wife would assume. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton


So while we stare endlessly at first couples, we rarely glimpse the strange vastness of their marriages: how a private conversation between two people, ­lying in the same bedroom where Abraham Lincoln slept, can influence an entire nation. We forget that our leaders, tossed in the maelstrom of the modern presidency, rely on their spouses as few of us ever need to, and that even first ladies who are not policy wonks still influence their husbands’ aspirations and judgments. Biographers can be complicit, often consigning wives to cameos, sometimes because the full story is just too hard to see.

The great exceptions to this rule are Bill and Hillary Clinton, who offered themselves to the nation as a package deal from the start. No one has ever doubted the influence of the Clinton marriage, but in his new book, “Bill and Hillary,” the historian William H. Chafe ups the ante, arguing that the entire Clinton presidency was powered by the psychodynamics of the Clinton union.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/30/books/review/scenes-from-a-marriage.html?_r=0

I think WJC ran all major decisions past HRC for her input and opinion; those are her legacy for good or for ill.

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
22. I assume you mean in the primaries
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 04:35 PM
Jun 2015

If so - no problem. Probably will be voting for somebody else myself in my (utterly worthless late) primary. That's what they are for, to pick the best candidate.

In the general? Nothing would stop me voting for the best chance of keeping the Republicans out of power at any level for any office. I truly can't understand anyone who does not support Republicans rationally making any other choice.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
86. I'll vote for her
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 05:15 PM
Jun 2015

if she is the choice because like calimary said, SCOTUS choices are going to be extremely important in the upcoming 4 to 8 years. But damn, jaundiced choice, in my book.

 

clarice

(5,504 posts)
42. It always facsinates me when I meet someone who.....
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 04:45 PM
Jun 2015

can be tolerant of EVERYTHING.....except a differing opinion. Speaks volumes.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
69. The British Surrender at Yorktown, 1781
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 05:05 PM
Jun 2015

...
After a five-day bombardment, the combined American and French forces attacked and overwhelmed Cornwallis's fortified position on the night of October 14. The British commander was left with no choice but to surrender, which he did on October 19. News of the surrender reached England on November 25 sending shock waves through the British government. Although King George III wanted to continue the battle, the surrender forced Prime Minister Lord North to resign in March 1782. His replacement began the peace process that culminated in the signing of the Treaty of Paris in September 1783 granting independence to the American colonies.
...


http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/yorktown.htm


Perhaps they just don't pick up on things all that fast. Told 'em other opinions were important a long time ago...

 

LordGlenconner

(1,348 posts)
107. It's not your opinion
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 05:38 PM
Jun 2015

That's fine, if not completely unoriginal in every way possible. There are plenty of people who believe exactly as you do on BU.

It's the "announcement" of said opinion in an OP.

Sort of like when people make a big production of announcing they are leaving DU when they could just leave.

But hey different strokes for different folks.

Maybe later tonight I'll do an OP on what I'm having for dinner.

I think maybe Taco Tuesday, which is also completely unoriginal.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
38. I think it is option #2
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 04:41 PM
Jun 2015

Disclaimer: I mean the words exactly as I wrote them, no rhyming lingo or slang intended.

Response to peacebird (Reply #33)

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
44. So what happens in November 2016
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 04:45 PM
Jun 2015

When she is the nominee? Are you not voting for her then? Casting your ballot for Ted Cruz? Or Scott Walker? Or whichever one of the Republicans is the last survivor of the clown car shake-out? Or will you just sit things out, which effectively helps the Republicans also?

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
53. uhh.... I have no idea what you're talking about.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 04:51 PM
Jun 2015

My only point is that 99% of the people on this board proclaiming they will "never support Hillary" will crawl over broken glass to get to the polls and vote for her in November 2016 when they look at the alternative the other party is offering up.

movonne

(9,623 posts)
83. I'm for Bernie but if she get the nom I will vote for her...and I think most Bernie followers feel
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 05:13 PM
Jun 2015

the same...so I don't know why people here are fighting about this subject...

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
47. Well I am going to support Bernie
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 04:48 PM
Jun 2015

Not because I can't support Hilary. But, because Bernie has better ideas, he expresses them very well, he has a record that matches what he says he wants to do, and because he has stood up for everyone of every demographic for his entire career.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
65. You said you can't support her. I assumed that means in the generals too...
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 05:03 PM
Jun 2015

... Was your OP incomplete.

 

clarice

(5,504 posts)
70. Well, one thing I've learned here. The Primaries certainly bring out the best in people. lol nt
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 05:06 PM
Jun 2015
 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
189. It sure does... I never expected to see the animosity...
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 11:39 PM
Jun 2015

... For other democrats that I've seen here lately.

 

rufus dog

(8,419 posts)
60. Look, I am not a fan, far from it
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 04:59 PM
Jun 2015

And I will only have to support her in the General if she is the nominee.

But I see no purpose in tearing down other candidates in our own party.

If she is our candidate I will be behind her 100 percent, because anyone from the other side is exponentially worse.

Point being, support your candidate, if he or she wins, great. If you are too pissed off if your candidate loses and can't vote for the nominee, ... Just deal with it, by yourself.

yardwork

(61,711 posts)
285. You call the poster a fascist while complaining about attacks?
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:40 PM
Jun 2015

Your posts sound naive and foolish. That's just my opinion. Go ahead and call me a fascist too.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
72. It sounds more personal than anything about the issues
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 05:08 PM
Jun 2015

Weird the Clintons are able to stir that up. Still better than a Republican though, if she does get the nomination. It doesn't matter to me if she feels entitled because she has to win, whether she feels entitled or not, so if she gets the nomination, then the Democrats want her to be the one.

I don't get the trusting issue part. You can hold her feet to the fire. She is not a hawk over vote on one particular war at a particular time. I don't think she'd get us into more wars. A Republican will go out of their way to do it. She'd still avoid it.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
101. "I don't get the trusting issue part. You can hold her feet to the fire."
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 05:30 PM
Jun 2015

Hasn't worked that well with Obama, has it?

We can protest her actions, but that doesn't mean we can change her actions.

A Republican will go out of their way to do it. She'd still avoid it.


I can only hope you are right on that.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
289. I would say not all POTUS have been the same
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 04:28 PM
Jun 2015

I think most are consumate politicians, which means they may say something to get what they want, and then do something else, which is what they really wanted to do.

Not all POTUS have been consumate politicians. I'd say FDR, Carter, and Sanders (if he wins) are more honest and forthcoming about what they want and intend to do.

Will they be able to do anything they want? No...but they won't become something different because of money and power, or because they did not truly reveal who they were when campaigning.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
75. This is only in regards to the primaries I hope?
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 05:09 PM
Jun 2015

I mean, if it is just the primaries, I can fully say that you have some valid points there, albeit I consider it generalizations that I don't fully understand where it is coming from.

I'm not ready for for "The Clinton Experience" again. I got so sick of the Iras and the Mandys , and the Lannys and the Susans that I almost got sick of politics.

I actually do not understand what you mean by the Clinton experience. Other than perhaps the scandals that plagued Bill Clinton's infidelities. If so, that should by no means besmirch Hillary, who in many ways could be considered the victim of such scandal. That she was able to go through it with grace, and strength is a testament to her character.

I don't like her. Last Democratic primaries, Obama and Clinton were my least favorite picks. I would still vote for either in a heartbeat during the General Elections. The issues I can't support her in, is her business relations, willingness to drill and so forth. Obama, I have the same issues with, not to mention his stance on K-12 Education which to me is abhorrent, however, colllege level wise though, I have to give him credit for that, and I appreciate his attempts to make it more affordable.

I feel like she thinks it's some sort of Manifest Destiny that entitles her to the White House.

With her losing the Primaries to Obama in 08, I don't really see her having that Manifest Destiny any more. Current method of campaigning is going by the situation on the ground, which shows her as Front Runner, as such, she can't really attack any one else, nor can she go in to real specifics, since Politics don't really work that way. As such, I don't see her making promises that can't be delivered, which can only be a good thing.

It also makes it a weakness since she can't go as far as the others. I think it is fine for now, but it is also why I am not supporting her during the primaries. I think either Sanders or O'Malley would be a better pick. They are also closer to me in regards to their positions.

I'm not ready for more of the obfuscation, hazy facts, double speak that plagued Bill's final term. Most importantly, I just can't trust her. Is she a hawk or dove ?...is she a liberal Democrat or a "Third Wayer" ? , is she pro-Palestine or pro-Israel ? She just seems "slippery" to me. I just can't shake the feeling that her agenda is not about advancing America, as much as it is advancing Clintonism.

I apologize, but why must Hillary suffer for Bill's mannerisms, actions and so forth? Bill is LOVED, when he comes in to talk up any issue that someone supports, and hated otherwise. That never really made much sense to me. I know that Bill is opportunistic, and so is Hillary, but that is the case to most politicians and merely par to the course. She is slippery to me, which is how I felt about Obama during the primaries. I thought they were close to the same at that time, but he got a pass since he didn't have as much of a voting record and he seemed nice.

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Any how, I can completely understand not trusting her. I sure don't. So, I'll happily not support her during Primary Season, but if by chance, she actually wins the Primaries, you better believe I would support her. She is still miles and miles ahead of any current Republican alternative.

The only reason I am responding is because of the statement "I can't support Hillary..." since I just wanted to see if this is merely for the Primaries, or completely to the point that you would either vote for a 3rd party, the Republicans, or not vote at all during the General Elections if she ends up taking the Democratic nomination.

 

clarice

(5,504 posts)
79. A very reasoned, polite, thoughtful rebuttal. I wish there were more people like you.........
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 05:12 PM
Jun 2015

And of course, I would vote for whoever the candidate ends up being.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
96. Good. I am with you on this. I will vote for Bernie in our primary but if HRC is
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 05:23 PM
Jun 2015

our candidate, I will of course support her and work for her election (not a difficult thing to do in my city, the People's Republic of New Haven, CT!

I voted for her in our primary in 2008 because I really wanted to vote for a woman for president in my lifetime, but she would damn sure have to be a Democrat. And of course, I voted for Obama in the General.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
120. I agree...8 years of peace and prosperity were absolute hell!
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 05:51 PM
Jun 2015

Who wants to go through that again?

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
134. 8 years of peace & prosperity?
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 06:02 PM
Jun 2015

...ask the parents or families of the 1/2 MILLION Iraqi children that died directly from his economic sanctions.
Sanctions always hurt the little guy.

Madeleine Allbright (Bill's SOS at the time) said that the death of 500,000 Iraqi children were "worth it".

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
135. Thanks for the post...
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 06:03 PM
Jun 2015

devoid of facts....the hate here is astounding...let's make shit up...it's fun!

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
149. Devoid of facts.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 06:15 PM
Jun 2015

Here are some "facts" for you:



Do you doubt the TRUTH of my post?
The Secretary of State at that time agrees with me.

The person "making shit up" in our dialog is not me.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
209. Ended welfare as we know it and lobbied for repeal of Glass Steagall, which led to collapse of
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 03:39 AM
Jun 2015

economies of several nations. NAFTA, Telecommunications Act, DADT, DOMA.

Everything a President does does not bear its full fruit immediately. Clinton left lots of bad fruit.

BTW, the increases in taxes and fees by Reagan and Poppy helped with that "modest budget surplus" that Clinton left office with, as did ending "welfare as we know it."

merrily

(45,251 posts)
273. I'm sure I forget to mention lots of things. That's why I love my fellow posters so much.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 12:11 PM
Jun 2015

They remind me.

Response to clarice (Original post)

ananda

(28,876 posts)
129. Clinton does seem to be anointed ..
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 06:00 PM
Jun 2015

.. with an auro of inevitability surrounding her campaign.

But I still like her. (after Sanders of course)

40RatRod

(532 posts)
130. IMHO
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 06:01 PM
Jun 2015

I will support and vote for the nominee no matter which. To do otherwise, will be a vote for the GOP.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
133. She voted for the Iraq War.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 06:02 PM
Jun 2015

Millions of people with far less knowledge than she had knew the run-up to the war was bullshit. She was either cynical enough or credulous enough to vote to send tens of thousands of people to their deaths and destroy the lives of God only knows how many more. Either one disqualifies her from being fit to serve as President of the United States.

I don't really give a rat's ass about what a "progressive woman" she may be. Her hands are covered in the same blood as every other American who voted for or promoted that goddamn disaster.

Skittles

(153,193 posts)
215. it's a show-stopper for me
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 04:42 AM
Jun 2015

if Hillary is the nominee I will vote for her over any repuke but right now I simply cannot support any Democrat who voted for IWR....it makes me sick

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/06/16/iraq-nation-destroyed-american-contempt

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
232. Yes, and to add insult to injury
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 08:25 AM
Jun 2015

she is firmly in the camp of the "it's time for the Iraqis to stand up for themselves" hand washers.

 

TheProgressive

(1,656 posts)
137. I must admit, I do not trust Ms. Clinton either...
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 06:05 PM
Jun 2015

It is easy to trust Senator Sanders. He is a statesperson on the side of and fighting for the people.

And it is important to note, republicans will *not* vote for presidential candidate Clinton. Period.
But, republicans have voted and will vote for Senator Sanders.

Kingofalldems

(38,485 posts)
144. Pardon me but aren't you against a minimum wage hike?
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 06:08 PM
Jun 2015

I think you posted about how you own a business and it would be detrimental. Am I wrong?

JI7

(89,271 posts)
207. it's consistent with the polls, those who are liberal tend to be more supportive
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 03:27 AM
Jun 2015

those less so lean more moderate and even more conservative.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
156. I agree, can't vote Clinton either
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 06:41 PM
Jun 2015

Four terms of "new" Democrats have been more than enough. i really think the window of opportunity has closed for another third way dem playing the roll of a populist.

pansypoo53219

(20,997 posts)
162. its 2015 NOT 2016 and are you a DEMOCRAT? any vote other is a REPUBLICAN VOTE. PERIOD. bunch of cry
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 06:54 PM
Jun 2015

babies. i will vote for whoever wins. shit. i had to vote for LIEBERFUCKENPUTZ!

Paka

(2,760 posts)
165. You stated it very clearly,
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 07:03 PM
Jun 2015

and in a very nice polite way. You laid out the points and yes, I agree, so that makes me an impartial observerer. But I've lived long enough (74 years to be exact) to have used a few dictionaries that allow me to understand even an expanded definition of "basher."

Thank you for being both articulate and brave enough to state your opinion here.

Gamecock Lefty

(700 posts)
172. Thank You for Yet Another "Is She or Is She Not" Post.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 09:38 PM
Jun 2015

I have no issues - none, zero, nyet - with any of her positions which is why I am supporting Hillary 100%.

That's ONE HUNDRED PERCENT!!!

Booster

(10,021 posts)
177. I'm not a huge Hillary fan either, but......
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 10:16 PM
Jun 2015

if a weasel is running as the Dem candidate, I will cast my vote for it rather than the snake that is running as the Rep candidate. Especially if that snake lives in the Bush. I've voted many, many times for the lessor of two evils and will do it again if necessary.

longship

(40,416 posts)
178. No agenda?
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 10:22 PM
Jun 2015

Humph!

And re: attack dog. Humph!

Note: at some large number of months before I have to decide, I have no vote at this time. I have some preferences, but will absolutely not announce them on these forums where too many are making it a pissing contest, or some perverse party purity test. Either is reprehensible. Neither helps what we are trying to do here.

This OP is an exemplar of not helping.

longship

(40,416 posts)
265. Who posted anything about women?
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:43 AM
Jun 2015

I believe I only addressed the nature of what I believe is a far premature decision on a rather important issue. That is my opinion. And it has nothing whatsoever to do with gender.

BTW, I like your avatar and many of your posts, just don't agree with this OP.

My regards to you.

longship

(40,416 posts)
267. Of course I will.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:58 AM
Jun 2015

No worries. I know how things go sometime.

Relax, and have a nice day. Have a hug.

longship

(40,416 posts)
271. It is on its way, my friend.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 12:08 PM
Jun 2015

It took some effort to squeeze into the wire, and I understand that it will undergo some transformation during radio transmission. I hope it doesn't get too bent up on delivery. But I will bet that other DUers may make up for that by sending their own hugs for you.

My best.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
192. C'mon, cut the woman some slack
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 12:14 AM
Jun 2015

IMO, if it were up to her she would not have voted for the Iraq war resolution nor the patriot act. She's smart enough to know that it was the wrong thing for the country. She only voted the way she did because her media gurus, image consultants, and focus group facilitators told her she needed to appear "tough" and "warlike" because (a) she's a woman and (b) the mood of the country at the time dictated that kind of approach. And right now, when millions are clamoring for her to take a position on the TPP, do you think she wants to be coy and evasive and refuse to commit? Hell no, she has an army of holdover advisors from the Clinton administration telling her it would be a political disaster to stick her neck out and state her honest opinion.

So see, it wasn't her fault, and anyway, she's sorry now, so don't you think she deserves another chance?

greenman3610

(3,947 posts)
194. Because there's not a dime's worth of difference between Al Gore and George Bush
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 12:34 AM
Jun 2015

thanks for your thoughtfulness, but I've seen this movie

gateley

(62,683 posts)
196. I grew to dislike her during the 2008 primary, but...
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 01:47 AM
Jun 2015

if she winds up being the nominee, I'll be first in line to cast my vote for her.

She's definitely not my ideal choice, but I'll vote for whatever Democrat tops the ticket.

Until then, I'll spread the word about Bernie.

You can support whomever you want -- don't let anyone one else try to turn you to their way of thinking.

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
197. To say, at this point, that you can't vote for Hilary if she gets on the ballot in Nov is absurd...
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 01:53 AM
Jun 2015

...and incredibly premature. Why? Because (1) She might end up as Vice Presidential candidate with, oh, say Bernie, and then you WILL be voting for her if you vote for Bernie and (2) you don't know what Republican she'll be up against if she is the Presidential candidate. That GOP choice might be horrific and have a good chance of winning—and you might, in terror and desperation, vote for her just to keep America out of his hands.

Yes, yes, I know you feel all certain now. But consider all those Republicans who probably said they were going to vote for McCain and felt so very certain about that...until he picked Palin and suddenly they couldn't vote for him. You never know what might make you change your mind, so best not to issue such statements, lest you find yourself eating your words.

We've a way to go before we know who is going to be running against whom in the primaries, and from there, who will be on the 2016 ballot. The smart thing to do at this still early stage of the game is to hold off on such assertions. Otherwise, threads like this might come back to bite you in the ass. You can certainly bet it will be resurrected if you are forced to change your mind and vote for her, however much you don't want to now or in the future.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
198. I can't suppoert her in the primary
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:13 AM
Jun 2015

I will definitely vote for her is she is the nominee, though. Don't like what's coming out of the presidential candidate pipeline? Then put progressives into the pipeline by electing them to city council, school board, etc.

akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
199. You are right on point and you have the right to support the candidate
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:28 AM
Jun 2015

you want to support.

I could never support Mrs. Clinton and my voice does not count, I live in Canada.

I could never forgive her for her war mongering, her nastiness against Senator Obama during their campaign! No, there is no way I respect Mrs. Clinton. However, Bernie is not going to win so the lesser of two evils is again with you all.

Response to clarice (Original post)

Mustellus

(328 posts)
225. Maybe you should vote for Ralph Nader....
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 07:36 AM
Jun 2015

.. after the 0.01% pay his massive ego to run again as a third party candidate.

The problem with being the Pope is that you can only vote for Jesus, and He's mostly not running.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
234. At least your reasons are better than people that blame DU's supporters.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 08:35 AM
Jun 2015

Those people really make no sense.

Progressive dog

(6,918 posts)
235. "The Clinton Experience"
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 08:46 AM
Jun 2015

That speaks for itself. Hillary not only is not Bill, she is not even related by blood.
My opinion is that Hillary, like Bill, is a mainstream Democrat.
My opinion is that calling Hillary "slippery" and your "Manifest Destiny" reference are pretty much the same as "bashing."
Thanks for letting me voice my opinions.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
236. So at DEMOCRATIC Underground, rather than throwing your support behind a Democrat...
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:25 AM
Jun 2015

...you post a diatribe against one of our candidates and preemptively defend yourself by calling other's support for a Democrat 'attack dog mode.'

Well, alrighty then...

SCantiGOP

(13,873 posts)
248. poster was saying
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 10:21 AM
Jun 2015

that they would effectively vote Republican this year if Hillary gets the nomination. Count me out of that suicide pact.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
257. Yeah, that is where I get pissed off, but I am tired of talking to those people, I will
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:01 AM
Jun 2015

just work overtime to make sure someone else votes in their place.

Will be hard, because the GOP they dont seem to think is all that bad (must not, think about it) is working overtime to STOP as many of us as they can from voting.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
239. Good for you
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:29 AM
Jun 2015

But if you stay home on election day (and encourage others to do as well) will you take responsibility for Bush or Walker or Cruz winning the Presidency?

 

clarice

(5,504 posts)
258. Please re-read my op. You missed it the first time......
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:02 AM
Jun 2015

And please try to control your conclusions....they are jumping around everywhere.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
286. Didn't miss anything.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 03:08 PM
Jun 2015

And not jumping to any conclusions. I'm asking a question. Will you take responsibility if we end up with a GOP president in 2016? Simple yes or no answer.

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
290. Dude (or Dude-et). The poster is talking about the primary
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 04:50 PM
Jun 2015

We're not even at the elections yet. No one is voting Republican or staying at home. Relax. We all know what's at stake

Lisa D

(1,532 posts)
292. I've made up my mind too!
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 07:37 PM
Jun 2015

I'm giving Hillary my full support in the primaries! And I'm thrilled that Dems have such a great slate of candidates.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
295. I am not going to vote for any candidate that is backed by the oligarchy.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 11:10 AM
Jun 2015

For those who believe that the only way to win this election is to capitulate to big money enjoy your existence without a soul.

Remember those who destroyed our economy!

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