Has there been a Republican campaign in the past 15 years that did not steal some band's IP?

ReTHUG are effing thieves

It is theft for the government to tax them. But it's OK when they do something like this. You'd think they would respect another's intellectual property. But no. If he's a "librul" then it's OK.

All the songs that repukes have stolen! "Born In The U.S.A." and many others.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/04/arts/music/romney-and-gingrich-pull-songs-after-complaints.html

Most creative people are liberals and have no time for repukes.

I remember that you could see the explosion from here in flyoverland when the Wilson sisters got word of Mooselini using that song. That came to an, err, abrupt halt after the Wilsons' lawyers got involved.

n/t

Why should artists be paid for their art? They enjoy making art like children. You're supposed to hate your job, complain all day, and only then do you deserve to be paid.

No one should be able to buy and sell the music of the airwaves. That should be free for entrepreneurs and the job creators. Instead, you should be able to buy and sell people who make good art. Now that's capitalism at its finest.

The airwaves should be free for the taking. Water on the other hand, that belongs to the highest bidder.

"and only then do you deserve to be paid"

And below minimum wage at that! (darn minimum wage laws)

By this time, it's obvious that candidates need to get permission to use a song; there really isn't an "Oops, I did it again" freebie. That being said, candidates should be called out each and every time they steal someone else's creative output for their own aggrandizement. I'll make an immediate exception right here and now, though. Any reporter that wants to use the following question of my own creation can do so without limitation:

"Candidate X, I see that you're playing {insert name of stolen song here} by {artist's name here} at your {name of event here; e.g., announcement of candidacy, conviction for fraud, beginning of long prison sentence}. What else will you be stealing to further your campaign, and given your proclivity for theft, why should any voter seriously consider casting a ballot for a chiseler like you?"

event music which I believe have to be approved by the artist.

for the background music in lobbys and cafeteria. They provided the location for a political rally and got one hell of a fine for using the same music without permission. That is what made realize that there must be different categories.

The only time an artist would have anything to say would be if the use of the music basically evoked the artist, and thus implicated other rights (trademark, right of publicity etc.). For example, walking out to a Michael Jackson song vs. moonwalking out while wearing one glove.

Because that's what they say.

http://www.ascap.com/~/media/files/pdf/advocacy-legislation/political_campaign.pdf

It is possible for an artist to take action based on non-copyright sorts of claims, but something more than the mere use of the music would be required.

They did not appropriate any aspect of Young's persona, trademark rights, and did not suggest an endorsement by the artist.

Basically, what ASCAP's lawyers are saying here is "you are fine on any copyright claims" but they are not going to say "whatever else you might do is fine too". It's butt-covering on their part to say there are other sorts of claims in the world - what you have is a license to play the song.

when Princess Sparklemoose played their "Barracuda" as her intro music a couple of times back in '08.

That came to a screeching halt.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6548316

He has access to the best lawyers in the world, he knows himself it's theft. What an ass.

There's some more about it upthread.

to be able to use the appropriating user's image in any manner of support for the IP owner's issues.

... can get together and record a new song and send a strong message about those who have stolen their stuff that it isn't theirs to "coopt"!

And for Democrats songs like "Detroit Rock City", "Cat Scratch Fever", etc. aren't worth stealing either. We have too many better ones to choose from!

Chrissie's???? That took more nerve than I will ever have. Chrissie has a rep for possessing a pretty short fuse and a very large charge.

From what I understand, Chrissie donates whatever money she gets from his use of it to PETA, Greenpeace, and similar orginaztions.

Chrissie is one smart cookie.

than it would have otherwise.

It would be giant too.

we get a media platform for various respected musical artists to repudiate Republicans and endorse the Democratic candidate of their choice. I think in the long run our side wins.

That song doesn't mean what the Donald thinks it does.

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Colors on the street
Red, white, and blue
People shufflin' their feet
People sleepin' in their shoes
But there's a warnin' sign on the road ahead
There's a lot of people sayin'
We'd be better off dead
Don't feel like Satan
But I am to them
So I try to forget it, any way I can.

Keep on rockin' in the free world,
Keep on rockin' in the free world,
Keep on rockin' in the free world,
Keep on rockin' in the free world.

I see a girl in the night
With a baby in her hand
Under an old street light
Near a garbage can
Now she puts the kid away,
And she's gone to get a hit
She hates her life
And what she's done to it.

That's one more kid
That will never go to school
Never get to fall in love
Never get to be cool

Keep on rockin' in the free world,
Keep on rockin' in the free world,
Keep on rockin' in the free world,
Keep on rockin' in the free world.

Keep on rockin' in the free world,
Keep on rockin' in the free world,
Keep on rockin' in the free world,
Keep on rockin' in the free world.

and the C&D has probably already been e-mailed to Dump.

That's all I have to say bout that!

Donate it to Sanders campaign.

Reagan first used "Born in the USA!" Springsteen asked them to stop. Did they understand what the song was clearly about? Next Reagan used "Little Pink Houses". Again, listen to the song. Mellencamp rebuffed quickly. Honestly I didn't know about either of their politics at the time ( neither did the Reagan campaign either) but to pick songs from those two now is hilarious.


Bob Dole turned "I'm a Soul Man" into "I'm a Dole Man". The families of Sam AND Dave asked them to stop.

Sarah Palin started using "Barracuda" after she went from Grizzly Mom to a Barracuda within a week of her campaign of madness. The Wilson sisters strongly requested that she stop.

John McCain inexplicably started using "Running on Empty" by Jackson Brown. Yes running on empty. Yes No-Nukes --- probably not a supporter from a block away Jackson Browne. Browne actually tracked after the campaign AFTER the election landslide with a lawsuit really just to shove it in their face.

Trump and Neil Young?

Neil wrote it about Poppy Bush.

"I got a thousand points of light for the homeless man..."

Not intentionally, perhaps (I don't know where Neil stands on reproductive freedom issues), but the second verse echoes what I hear from the one-sided, blinders-on, no notion of reality for real people, no concept of facts, a-holes of the Xtian wrong about abortion.

Never mind that embryos, fetuses, and babies are different; or that there are such things as medical complications and profound birth defects, such as anencephaly, the Xtian forced-birth movement takes this mantra from conception onward with no possibility of deviation or compassion.

Perhaps that is who Trump is trying to appeal to by using this song.

(I like Neil Young and would otherwise like this song, but find it unlistenable due to this verse and how I've heard it echoed by the fundies.)

by Neil Young
Don't want no cash
Don't need no money
Ain't got no stash
This note's for you.

Ain't singin' for Pepsi
Ain't singin' for Coke
I don't sing for nobody
Makes me look like a joke
This note's for you.

Ain't singin' for Miller
Don't sing for Bud
I won't sing for politicians
Ain't singin' for Spuds
This note's for you.

Though he may have become a US citizen some time along the way. I don't know about that.

That is the nicest thing I can come up with to say about him.

When they discovered him using their music on his show. It was during the Sandra Fluke nonsense.

I knew Neil's shit was about to hit the fan.

he's one of my top musical artists of all time. He still rocks!

And the thought that the Donald might listen to his music and hum along. IDK, kinda makes me ill.
Like when Paul Ryan said he was a Rage Against the Machine fan.

Also an old Neil fan. Saw him in Berkeley in 73. Wouldn't surprise me if quite a few Canadians took a liking to Bernie.

"We got a thousand points of light/for the homeless man/got a kinder gentler machine gun hand/got a man of the people says keep hope alive/got fuel to burn, got roads to drive"

Reminds me of Reagan using "Born in the USA"; did they not actually LISTEN to anything except the chorus?

It happens so often, it must be deliberate. I think they have a thing for Cease and Desist letters.

After all, Donald Trump said "I have a great relationship with The Blacks."

Like that moron Reagan trying to usurp Springsteen's Born in the USA...

Young's song was lashing out against GHWBush's America, if I recall correctly:

There's colors on the street
Red, white and blue
People shufflin' their feet
People sleepin' in their shoes
But there's a warnin' sign
on the road ahead
There's a lot of people sayin'
we'd be better off dead
Don't feel like Satan,
but I am to them
So I try to forget it,
any way I can.

Keep on rockin' in the free world,
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world,
Keep on rockin' in the free world.

I see a woman in the night
With a baby in her hand
Under an old street light
Near a garbage can
Now she puts the kid away,
and she's gone to get a hit
She hates her life,
and what she's done to it
There's one more kid
that will never go to school
Never get to fall in love,
never get to be cool.

Keep on rockin' in the free world,
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world,
Keep on rockin' in the free world.

We got a thousand points of light
For the homeless man
We got a kinder, gentler,
Machine gun hand
We got department stores
and toilet paper
Got styrofoam boxes
for the ozone layer
Got a man of the people,
says keep hope alive
Got fuel to burn,
got roads to drive.

Keep on rockin' in the free world,
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world,
Keep on rockin' in the free world.

It seems like all a musician can do is file a cease and desist order AFTER the fact. And the sleazeballs on the right know it. The Don has his money shot, forever ensconced into the media circus. ...Oh The damage done....

As a visual artist, no matter if I sell a painting or not, its image is still copywrited with me. If I saw some company use it as a background for an ad or something without asking me first, I could sue them for copywrite infringement. Why is it different for music?

First, very few artists actually own the rights in their recordings and, unlike your sale of a painting, they have assigned rights in those recordings or compositions to the owners - in MOST instances.

However, even among the very few artists who do actually own rights in the recordings and/or compositions, many of them have authorized ASCAP to license those works for various purposes.

The reason is that when someone is seeking to use a recording for a commercial purpose - an event, an incidental track in a TV show or movie, whatever - they typically go to ASCAP, because ASCAP has pretty much a universal library of popular music. If you run a commercial establishment, like a restaurant, and you play music over a loudspeaker system, you buy the right license from ASCAP, and you won't be busted by the people they send around to unlicensed bars and restaurants to see if they are playing music.

Political campaigns typically do buy licenses from ASCAP in order to use various recordings at events. If they have done so, they are covered, no matter WHAT the artist says.

This whole "I didn't approve of that" thing has become a regular ritual in American political campaigns. No actual legal action results, because it is typically the artist simply making a personal objection, and usually knowing darn well that if the campaign bought the license through ASCAP, there is nothing the artist can do about it under a copyright claim.

Secondly, there is the measure of damages. Basically, about the only thing practically available - in a situation where the artist owns the rights and hasn't authorized ASCAP to license them - would be an injunction against the campaign from using it again, or from using recordings of the event if the sound is included. There just aren't significant monetary damages on the table. To what extent did it impair the market for the recording? To what extent did the campaign profit from it? What was the license value for that snippet of the song anyway?

Interestingly, Europe has a much more developed notion of "moral rights" in works that go beyond the commercial rights in copyright, but that's neither here nor there.

These are primarily media exercises, and not real legal claims.

Now, if the song were used in a way that it was the theme or slogan of the campaign, or if it were done in such a way that one would think the artist endorses the candidate, then there are some non-copyright causes of action that become relevant, but almost never apply to these types of ritual situations.

I had a video taking off you tube because of using a song as backdrop. But then I wouldn't make any money off of it and the video would only be spreading the song (it was old), though only to a small number of people. Maybe You Tube wants to make money to get you to use their stuff - but they have some generic boring stuff only and I don't think it costs anything. So it's a mystery what they are getting out of it.

As a consequence of a fair amount of threatened and settled litigation, the situation with YouTube is somewhat complex. What they do is a reflection of the terms they reached with the recording industry, and has only a nodding acquaintance with what the law would or would not require.

agree with the politics of the guy hiring him?

Should a baker be able to not bake a cake for a customer because he doesn't agree with his politics?

I would think most people would disagree with the baker, but what about the artist? Is it different?

You are mixing apples and oranges.

As I already mentioned, an artist who has made their work available on standard terms through a licensing agency in the main, can't do diddly squat about it.

That's why these things are media exercises.

If you offer cakes to the general public, then that is a public accommodation.

There is no where I can go to say, "Here's half a million dollars, I'd like a Cher concert next month please."

I was just wondering if it is okay for a candidate to use someone's music who disagrees with him.

Your answer was legally it is fine.

I was wondering if it's right or ethical, and I think it is. A candidate should be able to use whatever music he has paid for just like a bride should be able to buy any cake she pays for.

...it's a good idea to avoid the tired media exercise of the artist objecting. And, again, I don't know in this instance who owns what or has paid what.

Law isn't a guide to "what's right."

I've read the posts below as well.

Something is wrong with the legal status quo on that. When it comes to politics, it should be different. I can see it for other endevours, but there should be some clause in an artist's contract to be able to refuse based on if the song is being used NOT for commercial purposes in general, but to represent an individual as product. Because the precedent has been already set in that instance. The PERSON that the song represents is Neil Young, and his own personal beliefs. Someone else should not legally be able to use it to represent them as an individual PERSON as well. (Even though The Don may not even realize what the lyrics are saying)


Also, I think a great punch back would be for Bernie to invite Neil Young to play Keep on Rockin in the Free World at a big rally for him. Take it back. That would be a way for Neil to erase any doubt about who he supports , and who was disingenuous with his music. And it would be fantastic for Bernie!

I don't know the particulars of this recording, and who owns what.

But without a clearinghouse like ASCAP, use of music for all kinds of things would be a mess. Nobody puts a gun to anyone's head to sign the ASCAP agreement.

Looking at the catalog.... https://www.ascap.com/Home/ace-title-search/index.aspx

The composers are:

SAMPEDRO FRANK M

YOUNG NEIL

The publishers are:

PONCHO VILLA MUSIC
SILVER FIDDLE MUSIC

The song has been recorded by:

BON JOVI
C S N Y
G3
GOVT MULE
INDIGO GIRLS
K S CHOICE
NEIL YOUNG
PEARL JAM
U2
WALLFLOWERS


Do we even know which recording was used?

when I saw this thread.Get em Neil.

Watch Trump act like he can buy the law.