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Why is Rachel Dolezal such a massive, nation-wide story? (Original Post) wheniwasincongress Jun 2015 OP
Because it is an Anti-racial story that ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #1
+1 KT2000 Jun 2015 #4
That is the other half nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #18
That's what I also think, FoxNewsSucks Jun 2015 #34
all of that, plus it gives right wingers the chance to ridicule LGBT issues with the silly analogy fishwax Jun 2015 #39
good question. our media is broken beyond repair. that might be a starter. spanone Jun 2015 #2
Chris Hayes tonight. Jane Austin Jun 2015 #3
Well, this MSNBC viewer appreciated them allowing her to make her case ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #7
It's the big lie Renew Deal Jun 2015 #5
It's entertaining. lovemydog Jun 2015 #6
Bigots trying to compare her to Caitlyn Jenner. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #8
the worst part is Skittles Jun 2015 #12
Yeah the whole "But she chose to be a woman too" argument is getting old. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #13
they are ALL disgusting Skittles Jun 2015 #14
I've seen so many posts that should have been hidden and weren't. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #23
Yup the bigots are trying to compare transgender with transracial. Initech Jun 2015 #25
I won't ignore them Skittles Jun 2015 #26
True, they deserve to be called out. Initech Jun 2015 #31
For a transphobe it's quite the opportunity. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #28
yup Skittles Jun 2015 #33
because stupid people think her story is just like Ms. Jenner's Skittles Jun 2015 #9
It has all the zeitgeist Bok_Tukalo Jun 2015 #10
this cali Jun 2015 #24
Very well said Renew Deal Jun 2015 #32
Can't have white people wanting to be black Depaysement Jun 2015 #11
I watched it for an hour or two, days ago when it was breaking news aint_no_life_nowhere Jun 2015 #15
Post #1 summed it up. It makes the NAACP look bad and validates made up terror stories. JanMichael Jun 2015 #16
Because this story nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #17
no, i don't think that's remotely it. lots of factors cali Jun 2015 #22
It's like going to the circus. pintobean Jun 2015 #19
lots of reasons. I think one of them is the catch me if you can factor cali Jun 2015 #20
despite how America likes to pretend race is a non-issue Quayblue Jun 2015 #21
same here chillfactor Jun 2015 #27
Today M$nbc led with it so I switched to CNN. RoverSuswade Jun 2015 #30
Because..... daleanime Jun 2015 #29
Am I the only one who will cop to genuine interest here? XemaSab Jun 2015 #35
I think this is Dorian Gray Jun 2015 #38
It's been deemed a sensationally scandal-worthy distraction by our esteemed press. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2015 #36
I think people just have a visceral reaction. missingthebigdog Jun 2015 #37
I think she's a diversion. Blue_In_AK Jun 2015 #40
Because a story about a mentally-ill woman keeps the media from having to run with serious stories. area51 Jun 2015 #41
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
1. Because it is an Anti-racial story that ...
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 09:06 PM
Jun 2015

feeds, both, the racists and the fringes of the liberals ... with the racists laughing at Dolezal and (some) liberals trying to prove their color-blind cred by trying to legitimize the ridiculous.

KT2000

(20,577 posts)
4. +1
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 09:16 PM
Jun 2015

Spot on. There are all kinds of imposters but she sure seems to have the media excited.
I did like Larry Wilmore's take on it though. His mime of the snail mail death threat was LOL.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
18. That is the other half
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 10:02 PM
Jun 2015

non news item that helps hide real news as well.

And this is one reason why we decided, after ten minutes, to pass on doing even a commentary on it. We did have the debate, since she did lie.

But what other news are being hidden or not covered?

FoxNewsSucks

(10,431 posts)
34. That's what I also think,
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 10:52 PM
Jun 2015

the corporate media has 24 hours to fill, and they sure as hell want to avoid talking about SHAFTA.

This Springer-type story is just what they need to keep the American Sheeple distracted.

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
39. all of that, plus it gives right wingers the chance to ridicule LGBT issues with the silly analogy
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 12:35 AM
Jun 2015

to Caitlin Jenner.

Jane Austin

(9,199 posts)
3. Chris Hayes tonight.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 09:15 PM
Jun 2015

I am insulted that MSNBC, Chris Hayes and Melissa Harris Perry think that we, their viewers, are interested in thirty minutes of this mixed-up person from Spokane.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
7. Well, this MSNBC viewer appreciated them allowing her to make her case ...
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 09:23 PM
Jun 2015

Okay, I'm finished with her now.

Renew Deal

(81,859 posts)
5. It's the big lie
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 09:17 PM
Jun 2015

With a bit of Jerry Springer style family drama. There's a little bit of octomom-tan mom ridiculousness with an Icarus theme.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
6. It's entertaining.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 09:21 PM
Jun 2015

Human interest type stories have always been popular along with the more major stories throughout history.

For me, I've been reading about it here at DU and I find it fascinating reading the thoughts of others.

I'm bored with a lot of the stories or opinions about democratic presidential candidates so far away from the primaries, particularly those that are trying to tell me for whom to vote.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
13. Yeah the whole "But she chose to be a woman too" argument is getting old.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 09:43 PM
Jun 2015

Some are genuinely ignorant, others are opportunists.

Skittles

(153,160 posts)
14. they are ALL disgusting
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 09:45 PM
Jun 2015

I am with Aerows on this - I expect better on a progressive board - those kind of pathetic nitwits are hard to take

Initech

(100,076 posts)
25. Yup the bigots are trying to compare transgender with transracial.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 10:10 PM
Jun 2015

It is bullshit and extremely bigoted, and anyone who repeats that lie here immediately goes on my ignore list.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
28. For a transphobe it's quite the opportunity.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 10:15 PM
Jun 2015

They get to pretend they're "confused" about the whole thing.

Bok_Tukalo

(4,323 posts)
10. It has all the zeitgeist
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 09:38 PM
Jun 2015

Trans, #blacklivesmatter, Internet trending fun for the whole family. It is something silly that can masquerade as something serious. Everyone can participate from learned professors discussing complex issues with identity and culture to Twitter jokesters referencing the ghost of blue dress gold dress past.

It is massive because it is meaningless and we think there is meaning. It is massive because it is novel and perfectly so.

Depaysement

(1,835 posts)
11. Can't have white people wanting to be black
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 09:39 PM
Jun 2015

I mean imagine Donald Trump black. Wait, that won't work - he'd have to be human first.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
15. I watched it for an hour or two, days ago when it was breaking news
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 09:45 PM
Jun 2015

Now I immediately switch the channel. I don't understand why the networks, especially MSNBC have glomed on to this story. The woman is kinda nutty and wrong-headed, but i don't think she's consciously the face of evil she's being made out to be. This was essentially Krystal Ball's take on The Cycle and I think she got it right.

JanMichael

(24,887 posts)
16. Post #1 summed it up. It makes the NAACP look bad and validates made up terror stories.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 09:49 PM
Jun 2015

It is sick. This is a small local issue that is being used to demonize anti-racist groups. It has also turned comrades against each other. It is pure institutional a-symmetrical warfare.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
17. Because this story
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 09:56 PM
Jun 2015

which deserved two minutes, is helpful in hiding things that matter. It's getting worst folks.

Ok, I will go as far as to say that MHP did a good job and it did belong in her program.

It is definitely a LOCAL story though.

RoverSuswade

(641 posts)
30. Today M$nbc led with it so I switched to CNN.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 10:19 PM
Jun 2015

It was THERE TOO. So (please excuse me) I remoted to Fox - and there was Greta talking about it. YE GODS!!!!

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
35. Am I the only one who will cop to genuine interest here?
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 11:08 PM
Jun 2015

What does it mean to be black? What does it mean to be white? If someone has a possible drop of black blood, does it give them the "right" to call themselves black? If someone is obviously mostly or entirely white, should they be "forced" to wear that label against their wishes? How much do people have a right to their own identities, and how far can white advocacy really go?

Seems like a lot of people are challenging their own assumptions here, and is that bad? I say no.

Dorian Gray

(13,496 posts)
38. I think this is
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 11:14 PM
Jun 2015

thoughtful, and a lot of people are questioning their own assumptions. That's a good thing.

But I also think a lot of others are using it as a gotcha moment... sarcastically comparing transgender (specificially Caitlyn Jenner) to this situation. The biggest difference is that Caitlyn hasn't lied about who she used to be. She was Bruce. We all know she was Bruce. End of story.

Rachel, on the other hand, hid and obfuscated her history with false information. She lied about who she was and that makes everyone question who she is and her motives.

Bruce Jenner wasn't always a stand up guy. All that information is out there. But Caitlyn's past is informing who she is now. Rachel was denying her true past and making up a persona that never existed.

missingthebigdog

(1,233 posts)
37. I think people just have a visceral reaction.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 11:14 PM
Jun 2015

You KNOW what she did is wrong.
You KNOW it is not the same as Ms. Jenner.
But it is hard to articulate why it is wrong, and how it is not the same. It's a challenge.

After much thought, I have concluded that my issue with this is the subtle insinuation that it takes being a white woman to be a successful black woman. . . .

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