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cali

(114,904 posts)
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 05:30 AM Jun 2015

Larry Summers hyperventilating: Rescuing the free-trade deals

Last edited Wed Jun 17, 2015, 07:27 AM - Edit history (1)

And he's hardly alone in his hysteria. Rightwingers, "New" Democrats, "Captains" of industry, all weighing in with their dire, world will crash and burn if it's not passed, veiled warnings to dems, dog shit. FUCK THEM.



The Senate’s rejection of President Wo odrow Wilson’s commitment of the United States to the League of Nations was the greatest setback to U.S. global leadership of the last century. While not remotely as consequential, the votes in the House last week that, unless revisited, would doom the Trans-Pacific Partnership send the same kind of negative signal regarding the willingness of the United States to take responsibility for the global system at a critical time.

The repudiation of the TPP would neuter the U.S. presidency for the next 19?months. It would reinforce global concerns that the vicissitudes of domestic politics are increasingly rendering the United States a less reliable ally. Coming on top of the American failure to either stop or join the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, it would signal a lack of U.S. commitment to Asia at a time when China is flexing its muscles. It would leave the grand strategy of rebalancing U.S. foreign policy toward Asia with no meaningful nonmilitary component. And it would strengthen the hands of companies overseas at the expense of U.S. firms. Ultimately, having a world in which U.S. companies systematically lose ground to foreign rivals would not work out to the advantage of American workers.


Both the House and Senate have now delivered majorities for the trade promotion authority necessary to complete the TPP. The problem is with the complementary trade assistance measures that most Republicans do not support and that Democrats are opposing in order to bring down the TPP. It is to be fervently hoped that a way through will be found to avoid a catastrophe for U.S. economic leadership. Perhaps success can be achieved if the TPP’s advocates can acknowledge that rather than being a model for future trade agreements, this debate should lead to careful reflection on the role of trade agreements in America’s international economic strategy.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/rescuing-the-free-trade-deals/2015/06/14/f10d82c2-1119-11e5-9726-49d6fa26a8c6_story.html


EDIT: My apologies, guys. When I read this first, I thought the above was the entire piece. It is not. This is so bizarre: Summers goes on, after his impassioned plea to pass the TPA and the ensuing trade agreements, to tell us why they suck. It's the most nonsensical pos I've read in ages:

<snip>

First, the era of agreements that achieve freer trade in the classic sense is essentially over. The world’s remaining tariff and quota barriers are small and, where present, less reflections of the triumph of protectionist interests and more a result of deep cultural values such as the Japanese attachment to rice farming. What we call trade agreements are in fact agreements on the protection of investments and the achievement of regulatory harmonization and establishment of standards in areas such as intellectual property. There may well be substantial gains to be had from such agreements, but this needs to be considered on the merits area by area. A reflexive presumption in favor of free trade should not be used to justify further agreements. Concerns that trade agreements may be a means to circumvent traditional procedures for taking up issues ranging from immigration to financial regulation must be taken seriously.

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Larry Summers hyperventilating: Rescuing the free-trade deals (Original Post) cali Jun 2015 OP
All you have to know to see.. sendero Jun 2015 #1
He says it above, it's for 'US firms'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #6
All the Corps will still trade with those asian-pacific nations. beef industry & dairy industry have Sunlei Jun 2015 #2
Beef exports to South Korea have decimated local Korean farmers Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #4
like usa beef/farm corps have bought out most of the smaller farms. Fallow land nearish populated Sunlei Jun 2015 #5
The big guys love to push the little guys around Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #7
No, NO, No! NO!!!!!! haikugal Jun 2015 #3
Summers should be ashamed of himself...his record reflects horrific judgment: Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #8
Thank you, Jefferson23! And thank you, William K. Black! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #13
You're very welcome..can you imagine the good that could be realized with Bill Black in Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #17
Dear Larry S., Red Oak Jun 2015 #9
+1 Enthusiast Jun 2015 #14
Who can forget "Thank God It Passed!!!" from 2009? nt bemildred Jun 2015 #10
Larry Summers. Protege of Robert Rubin, Clinton Cabinet member, Buns_of_Fire Jun 2015 #11
I can't believe tom quotes this crap on his show stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #12
quotes what "crap"? cali Jun 2015 #15
At least you did eventually read the article, which is a huge step forward for you. DanTex Jun 2015 #16
sorry dan, old boy. I scrupulously read the articles I post. I did not initially read cali Jun 2015 #18
Of course you do. Everyone knows that. You have such a reputation for in-depth DanTex Jun 2015 #19
"complementary trade assistance measures that most Republicans do not support" ieoeja Jun 2015 #22
That can't get through the Senate. jeff47 Jun 2015 #23
Verrrryy interesting. He's essentially saying it's not a trade. agreement. it's a treaty. hedda_foil Jun 2015 #20
Doesn't Summers ever get tired of sucking d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #21
Kill it... and its abominable sibling NAFTA...with fucking FIRE! AzDar Jun 2015 #24

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
6. He says it above, it's for 'US firms'.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 06:43 AM
Jun 2015

And by 'US firms', he means companies whose executives and shareholders are often US citizens, but whose employees are, for the most part, made up of cheaper foreign labour.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
2. All the Corps will still trade with those asian-pacific nations. beef industry & dairy industry have
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 06:06 AM
Jun 2015

already had huge increases in exports overseas.

Self-regulation for usa dairys and the takeover of Americas public lands with cattle that graze for a couple dollars lease a month(and a federal gov that fixes up the ruined land for corps 'free') = massive profits.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
4. Beef exports to South Korea have decimated local Korean farmers
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 06:30 AM
Jun 2015

That includes beef from not only the US, but Canada, Australia, and China as well.

Free trade agreements are often declarations of open season on small farmers.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
5. like usa beef/farm corps have bought out most of the smaller farms. Fallow land nearish populated
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 06:40 AM
Jun 2015

areas is zoned to prevent local small farms from even starting again.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
8. Summers should be ashamed of himself...his record reflects horrific judgment:
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 06:59 AM
Jun 2015

October 2014

snip*William K.BLACK: So we actually have a discussion of regulation, which is quite amazing, because there hasn't been much of any serious discussion of regulation. It's in the context of this silly thing about Larry Summers and Janet Yellen and such.

But I--caused me to look back at Larry Summers, not in terms of what he did in terms of deregulation, but what was his explanation for why he did it, what's his theory, in other words, of regulation. And it comes down to brilliance versus, in his phrase, idiots.

And, of course, the classic example that he gave was in creating the regulatory black hole known as the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000, which he was all in favor of. And this is to remove all regulatory authority over these complex financial derivatives.

What's his rationale? His rationale was that both sides to the contract, both typically corporations, were financially sophisticated. And because both corporations were financially sophisticated, fraud couldn't occur.

And so what he's missed, of course, is that corporations don't make decisions and they don't implement decisions--people do. And the officers could be quite sophisticated, and they could be ripping off the corporation and the firm, which is precisely what we saw all through this crisis.

So in the first level, Summers has forgotten that it's not a question of intelligence; it's the fact that the only people that can protect the corporation from loss are the very senior officers who are looting the corporation. So he missed it, I argue, on that whole concept of intelligence.

But he goes beyond that. He explains why he didn't believe in modern finance. And this is something that he got some credit for, indeed should get some credit for, because, after all, the UChicago folks were even crazier. They had this this view of markets of always self-correcting and always being on the direction towards perfection. And Larry Summers' position was that that was wrong. But if you look back at why, he actually said it this starkly in a meeting: there are idiots. In other words, markets would be efficient but for idiots. And, again, this misses the entire concept of fraud by sophisticated CEOs. So it's consistent with his general view that IQ is what all of this is about.


And his final example is that he wants the regulators, the financial regulators to be given the equivalent, if you think of them as doctors, of only bone saws, things, you know, that are really rough and ready, no precision, certainly no scalpels, and certainly no laser surgery, because regulators aren't very bright, whereas the industry is really bright and therefore will always be ahead of the regulators--except that's that's not true. It certainly wasn't true in the savings and loan debacle, where the markets got it wrong consistently. It certainly wasn't correct in the Enron era, where they got it wrong consistently. And it wasn't correct in this one. Indeed, there's testimony in front of the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission that the Federal Reserve economists--and these are guys who really wanted the markets to be smarter than the regulators--did a study, and they couldn't find a single example. There's also testimony from the head of the office of the comptroller of the currency, another guy who didn't believe in regulation, who said, well, the only guys in our shop that got it right were the little guys, the examiners, who, of course, are closest to the facts.

So Summers, with this really arrogant view that intelligence is everything and that regulators can't be very bright, consumers can't be very bright, and that the industry is composed of all geniuses, has missed every fundamental dynamic of what's critical to regulation, what's critical to enforcement, and what's critical to preventing crimes.

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=10679

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
13. Thank you, Jefferson23! And thank you, William K. Black!
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 08:28 AM
Jun 2015
"So Summers, with this really arrogant view that intelligence is everything and that regulators can't be very bright, consumers can't be very bright, and that the industry is composed of all geniuses, has missed every fundamental dynamic of what's critical to regulation, what's critical to enforcement, and what's critical to preventing crimes."

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
17. You're very welcome..can you imagine the good that could be realized with Bill Black in
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 08:56 AM
Jun 2015

a WH administration?

Although many on Wall Street would possibly leave the country upon said announcement. lol

Red Oak

(697 posts)
9. Dear Larry S.,
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 07:07 AM
Jun 2015

If this is such an important agreement, let me see it, let's discuss it and then let's have Congress vote.

Why keep something you say is so very, very important to my future security, secret?

Odd that YOU can know what is so important for my security, but won't allow me the same information. Why? Do you think me stupid and unable to understand a complex document? I'll bet I can keep up with you.

Maybe the answer is simple. The TPP is a big crock of lies and deceit that is good for you and NOT for me, my family or my friends. Enough of my friends are already unemployed thanks to you and Bill and NAFTA, I doubt we really need your Toilet Paper Proposition on top of it.


On a different note. Thank you so much to all the Reps that voted down TAA last week. We won't forget you.

To those that voted for this stinking pile, we will remember you, too, and act accordingly.

Here's the list of Reps that voted FOR TAA and thus TPP: Ashford, Bass, Bera, Beyer, Blumenauer, Bonamici, Carney, Clyburn, Connolly, Cooper, Costa, Cuellar, Davis, Delaney, DelBene, Eshoo, Farr, Foster, Heck (WA), Himes, Hoyer (really? Wow!), Israel, Johnson (E.B.), Kilmer, Kind, Larsen (WA), Larson (CT), Meeks, O'Rourke, Perlmutter, Peters, Pilis, Price (NC), Quigley, Rice (NY), Richmond, Schrader, Sewell (AL), Smith (WA), Wasserman Schultz (she really needs to go).

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2015/roll361.xml





Buns_of_Fire

(17,177 posts)
11. Larry Summers. Protege of Robert Rubin, Clinton Cabinet member,
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 07:17 AM
Jun 2015

Obama economic adviser, misogynist Harvard president, adviser to Hillary Clinton, all-round scumbag.

...with a rusty chainsaw. You know the rest.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
16. At least you did eventually read the article, which is a huge step forward for you.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 08:53 AM
Jun 2015

It's actually quite intelligent and broad-minded, talking about both the benefits and risks of FTAs, the fact that we need to ensure that middle classes don't get left behind, that supporting other international institutions like the IMF and UN is just as important as free trade.

But any sort of nuance understanding of the policy issues that this country faces is anathema to reflexive Hillary/Obama-bashers.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
18. sorry dan, old boy. I scrupulously read the articles I post. I did not initially read
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:07 AM
Jun 2015

this one entirely because of the way it was formatted on my tablet.

Your snark is almost as limp as your commentary on the article. Summers overwrought predictions on what will happen if this legislation doesn't pass, baldly conflicts with his sharp criticism of contemporary ftas and the process by which they're forged. His piece lacks intellectual consistency.

But do continue with your ill informed, one dimensional partisan cheerleading, danny.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
19. Of course you do. Everyone knows that. You have such a reputation for in-depth
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:13 AM
Jun 2015

nuance policy discussion. Obviously.

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
22. "complementary trade assistance measures that most Republicans do not support"
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 10:23 AM
Jun 2015

Here is my fear. Congress and the Senate have already approved the TPP moving forward. That is a done deal.

Now, congressional Republicans are refusing to authorize assistance to American workers who lose their jobs because of the TPP. Republicans are gambling on Obama moving forward with TPP and fuck the workers. Democrats are gambling on Obama NOT moving forward with TPP without that assistance.

Given Obama's record to date on letting Republicans get their way, and his going to the mat on the TPP, who do you think just made the better bet?

Also, was there a time limit on the TPP authorization? If not and this lingers past the next election, should a Republican get the White House, the TPP will definitely move forward without the TAA and fuck the wokers.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
23. That can't get through the Senate.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 10:58 AM
Jun 2015

TPA only passed the Senate because of TAA. Democrats in the Senate only relented on the filibuster because of TAA. So no TAA is a dead-end.

Republican Senators only voted for TAA because of the Medicare cuts. Take out the Medicare cuts that stopped the bill in the House, and Republicans would keep the filibuster going in the Senate.

hedda_foil

(16,374 posts)
20. Verrrryy interesting. He's essentially saying it's not a trade. agreement. it's a treaty.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:54 AM
Jun 2015

I hope the House and Senate Dems figure this out, as they'll certainly read his op-ed.

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
21. Doesn't Summers ever get tired of sucking
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:58 AM
Jun 2015

corporate dick? Supply side economics doesn't work unless your a multinational corporation.

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