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gollygee

(22,336 posts)
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:40 AM Jun 2015

Race is something that is and has always been forced on people.

It isn't like African Americans were forced to come to the US and said, "Ok, now I'm going to be black, so I can be enslaved and my children and grandchildren will be born into enslavement." Nobody chose to be the victims of housing discrimination, lynchings, the biases of the criminal justice system, etc. The concept of race was created by white people to explain and try to excuse these things, and it was placed upon people externally, by society, rather than being something people decided internally because of how they felt.

The concept of race is tied to discrimination. To being born into a family of generational discrimination. To knowing your children were born into that same system.

It isn't something people can legitimately pick up, try on, and play with if they feel like. And that becomes especially obvious when you recognize that only people on one side of the race equation are able to do that. A few very light skinned African Americans can try to if they are light enough to avoid discrimination, but generally African Americans are seen as black no matter what they do, and it's because they're the victims of discrimination no matter what they do. They can't shake off discrimination, so they can't shake off their race. And even very light skinned African Americans have limited success here. I have a biracial friend with a daughter who appears white, and she escapes discrimination until people meet her mom. Then she's suddenly treated differently.

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aikoaiko

(34,170 posts)
10. Thank you for those links
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 10:13 AM
Jun 2015

I wrote my prior reply because I remember somewhere in my college anthropology days that the Japanese considered other Asians to be of different races (prior to European contact) and something similar for some American Native peoples.

But I cannot provide academic documentation.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
11. There's a difference
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 10:18 AM
Jun 2015

between recognizing some people come from the same place as you and some don't, from the concept of race. Japanese people would recognize that Korean people were from Korea rather than Japan, but that wouldn't be any different from people from England being from England rather than Japan. It's just "people from somewhere else." But this idea that people from Japan and Korea belong to the same category and people from England are in a different category and that's why people from England have taken over some parts of Asia - that's what "race" is, and it started with colonization.

KitSileya

(4,035 posts)
6. One thing that almost nobody has mentioned
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:54 AM
Jun 2015

is that if Rachael Dolezal wanted to experience what it is like to be black, the closest she could honestly come would be to be white in her group of mainly black friends and family. That experience of being considered different, Other, not quite right is how main stream society treats black Americans at all times. Not being able to see yourself in a variety of ways in film and tv; not blending in anywhere in public; your language, codes, references not fitting with the main stream group - that is what she would experience as a 'minority' member of her in-group. She could have used that experience to be a proper ally for black Americans. Instead, she decided in her arrogance that she would appropriate acceptance and 'majority' status by lying, foregoing the hard work allyship always is, and use black womanhood as a mask in doing so.

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
8. White people didn't invent discrimination based on skin color
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 10:03 AM
Jun 2015

or family, or region, or anything else. No single group of people did. I'm sure it's been practiced by any and all human beings, in one form or another, for a long time.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
9. You're wrong
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 10:05 AM
Jun 2015

Read the links in post 4, or google "When did the concept of race begin." It's a fairly new concept, and it was started by white people to try to explain and excuse why they could take away land from other people and enslave people.

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
12. No other people ever took land from other people, or enslaved other people, before white people?
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 10:31 AM
Jun 2015

Nobody ever justified it based on whatever they wanted to justify it on? That's crazy. Impossible actually. White people aren't that special.

I'll agree that some sort of official concept may have been created by Europeans while they colonized the world, but that's just the timing of how history played out more so than white people being the first evil group, and discrimination based on A, B, or C has been going on, wherever humans have been, for a long time, just on smaller scales.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
13. People have enslaved conquered people
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 10:40 AM
Jun 2015

but the concept of race - not just a people you've conquered, but a different grouping of people from another part of the world who, due to how they look and the area of the world they come from, have a right to steal land and enslave people, started with European colonization.

Before race, it was, "They lost the war, so we can do what we want." After the concept of race, it was, "We are of a superior race/they are of an inferior race, so we can do what we want."

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
15. We are all biologically the same and we all feel pain
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 10:58 AM
Jun 2015

that is certain. It is a social construct, not a biological thing.

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