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NRaleighLiberal

(60,014 posts)
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:16 AM Jun 2015

There is a jaw dropping line in an article today- "President Barack Obama and his Republican allies"

In this post here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6850565

That made me nearly spit my coffee all over my laptop.

It is so shocking to me that I thought it deserved a bit of a spotlight.

What the hell kind of bizzarro world are we currently witnessing?

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There is a jaw dropping line in an article today- "President Barack Obama and his Republican allies" (Original Post) NRaleighLiberal Jun 2015 OP
Only Nixon could go to China... Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #1
Boom. hifiguy Jun 2015 #53
And only Big Dog Clinton could undo the Great Society and New Deal salib Jun 2015 #68
and no one notices because - Democrats! LiberalElite Jun 2015 #98
The one where the TPP is a huge priority nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #2
Ah can ya feel it? Finally all the reaching across the isle has paid off. L0oniX Jun 2015 #9
You have it all wrong they don't hate his guts, they hate his skin. But they all love the TPP. n/t A Simple Game Jun 2015 #35
Doing some reading on the hyper partisanship nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #85
My jaw is still firmly in place. No amount of speculation "in an article" makes my jaw move, Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #3
"Speculation"? What are you talking about? Marr Jun 2015 #99
Some people have blinders. truebluegreen Jun 2015 #102
....x10 840high Jun 2015 #118
Obama has found Hillary's Warm Purple Space Fumesucker Jun 2015 #4
The republican base is not his "ally" in this or anything else. Only the Democratic base is. n/t pampango Jun 2015 #5
Whoa, wait: So Republicans are going to vote against him on this and Democrats LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #23
If politicians listened to their bases that might happen. That is not the world we live in. n/t pampango Jun 2015 #25
The politicians from by part of my state listened and they voted NO. Northern MN. jwirr Jun 2015 #33
As the Romans might ask, "post hoc ergo prompter hoc?" LanternWaste Jun 2015 #54
that is simply incorrect. by any definition congressional republicana cali Jun 2015 #39
I don't consider politicians to be the "base". If you do that is fine. pampango Jun 2015 #93
That seems like quite the tap dance truebluegreen Jun 2015 #103
Polls show that Democrats do support the president's trade agenda. pampango Jun 2015 #105
Link please. truebluegreen Jun 2015 #107
Here you go: pampango Jun 2015 #112
This poll is ridiculous. They never define any of the terms except to indicate Obama wants them. hedda_foil Jun 2015 #120
The Republican Party platform fully supports TPP and TPA Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #130
I know, right? When polls show that Democrats don't agree with us, either pampango Jun 2015 #138
Same world but with the veil a little lifted Man from Pickens Jun 2015 #6
With Democrats like that who fucking cares about the next SCJ. L0oniX Jun 2015 #8
Yea ...2 things noted... L0oniX Jun 2015 #7
I have never blamed him for what he could not get through because the Rs did everything in the jwirr Jun 2015 #37
He didn't need any Republican Senators for ACA yeoman6987 Jun 2015 #84
He squandered those precious first two years when he could have gotten things through. L0oniX Jun 2015 #96
And I agree with that but at the time I doubt that he understood the depth of the hatred that the jwirr Jun 2015 #117
Berb'd voter, I like that. n/t A Simple Game Jun 2015 #38
Also known as a rare creature called bipartisanship. yallerdawg Jun 2015 #10
Actually, it's called "corruption" brentspeak Jun 2015 #15
On this there is 'bipartisanship' all around. The tea party was happy to see TAA and TPA die. pampango Jun 2015 #19
A two for one deal, and Obama set the table for that one mrdmk Jun 2015 #132
I suspect the tea party will claim ownership of the demise of TAA, not Democrats. pampango Jun 2015 #140
Bipartisan screwing of the people is what's happening. lark Jun 2015 #29
Buypartisanship. Where corporate interests purchase access to and influence Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #36
What planet are you living on ohnoyoudidnt Jun 2015 #40
+1, apologists are having a really tough time finding an angle on this one. /nt Marr Jun 2015 #100
what a laugh. where is the bipartisanship in things that we on the left want? NRaleighLiberal Jun 2015 #56
I'll let our Democratic president explain: yallerdawg Jun 2015 #60
and you trust this why, esp. when Reich and Krugman, along with Warren and others, have a different NRaleighLiberal Jun 2015 #61
Because all the accusations and fears... yallerdawg Jun 2015 #65
TPP is NOT a trade deal. It is an investment/outsourcing/corporate power grab deal. Elwood P Dowd Jun 2015 #69
Not a little over the top? yallerdawg Jun 2015 #71
Why don't you check who has been running the USTR the past few years. Elwood P Dowd Jun 2015 #75
Froman, this guy. yallerdawg Jun 2015 #92
That is soooo funny. Elwood P Dowd Jun 2015 #113
And there is this about Citigroup sending it's executives to work in govt agencies to grease the Elwood P Dowd Jun 2015 #114
YESSSSSSSS! HE'S GOT IT EXACTLY RIGHT!!! cascadiance Jun 2015 #110
100,000 mutherfukers are expected to lose their jobs and he is pushing this? elehhhhna Jun 2015 #63
100,000 American workers? yallerdawg Jun 2015 #66
read the fastback bill, or Google retraining funds for 100k lost jobs, elehhhhna Jun 2015 #95
Unknowing smartass? yallerdawg Jun 2015 #97
I'm sorry, that was very rude. elehhhhna Jun 2015 #144
TPP has fuckall to do with trade--except for 5 of 29 articles eridani Jun 2015 #109
If you haven't been aware of this until now, you must have been asleep. also 'reply 16 in Doctor_J Jun 2015 #11
I've been well aware of it for a long long time. Just disappointing and deserving of being NRaleighLiberal Jun 2015 #57
I wish Democrats would ally with our Democratic President on the issue of trade. tridim Jun 2015 #12
Rather than the current Republican adminstration? brentspeak Jun 2015 #16
I wish we had a President that acted like a Democrat LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #24
He was kidding about the moderate part. nt. hay rick Jun 2015 #91
Future R administration = multi-national corporation's stooges. jwirr Jun 2015 #44
Current R administration = multi-national corporation's stooges truebluegreen Jun 2015 #104
I wish the president would ally with the large majority of democrats on this fiasco Doctor_J Jun 2015 #45
So you believe it is "good" that the Democrats are letting the GOP handle trade? tridim Jun 2015 #49
That is what you want, to pass FastTrack so that the TeaPubliKlans will have control of the TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #133
and fuck unions, fuck every environmental org, fuck public intetest groups cali Jun 2015 #47
and fuck the 100k that they admit will lose their jobs... elehhhhna Jun 2015 #64
It will be more than that, this is the allotment for those who will qualify and jump the hoops. TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #134
The one where the Democratic Party abandons free trade by default. ellisonz Jun 2015 #13
More than a trade deal. That's why so much opposition. madfloridian Jun 2015 #14
Yeah there are people opposed to this... ellisonz Jun 2015 #17
There are very smart people opposed as well. madfloridian Jun 2015 #18
It's just not as simple as either side makes it out to be... ellisonz Jun 2015 #20
Others of us think Warren, Sanders and unions have good points. merrily Jun 2015 #28
Cheerio! ellisonz Jun 2015 #34
You want smart people: Paul Krugman, Robert Reich, Joseph Stiglitz and many more economists. jwirr Jun 2015 #48
Very smart people can still be fascists. [n/t] Maedhros Jun 2015 #82
Are you calling POTUS a fascist? ellisonz Jun 2015 #83
No, the "very smart people" you claim are in favor of the TPP. Maedhros Jun 2015 #86
Like POTUS and his administration? ellisonz Jun 2015 #89
Ceding powers traditionally held by government, such as settling lawsuits, Maedhros Jun 2015 #90
"Old" liberal Democrats like FDR, Truman and Kennedy pushed 'freer' trade and the institutions pampango Jun 2015 #22
Ahh Ye Olde Liberalism ellisonz Jun 2015 #42
LOL nice job turning the arguement upside down. Those old FDR trade agreements were about jwirr Jun 2015 #51
Great reply jwirr. The recent so called "free trade" deals are from another planet compared Elwood P Dowd Jun 2015 #70
"Those old FDR trade agreements" included the ITO which dealt with labor rights, investor protection pampango Jun 2015 #94
Notice that they did not include multi-national corporations profits and power. That is what I am jwirr Jun 2015 #116
The ITO did include "investment protection" in addition to labor standards, business regulation and pampango Jun 2015 #137
I have nothing against an insurance for investors as long as investors are also regulated. Otherwise jwirr Jun 2015 #141
Agreed. That is a good point. n/t pampango Jun 2015 #142
I think back to the bailout of AIG. They were going broke because they were the insurance company jwirr Jun 2015 #143
When they were pushing trade, the U.S. was the manufacturer to the world. hedda_foil Jun 2015 #127
So FDR and Truman were short-sighted and could not imagine a future world where Europe and Asia pampango Jun 2015 #139
Define "free trade". There really is no such thing. grahamhgreen Jun 2015 #88
Stockholm Syndrome? kentuck Jun 2015 #21
What do our international partners think of us? yallerdawg Jun 2015 #26
Waah, Jaime Daimon won't get all the goodies he wants. lark Jun 2015 #31
It's a totally bizzarro world today. lark Jun 2015 #27
Many folks recognized fredamae Jun 2015 #30
K & R Duppers Jun 2015 #50
Funny how Dems are always helpless against republicans even when they're the majority n/t arcane1 Jun 2015 #58
Exactly and factor in all fredamae Jun 2015 #62
I heard on NPR that the Republicans actually applauded him on TPP..... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #32
I read David Brooks today... Cracklin Charlie Jun 2015 #41
Brooks Punx Jun 2015 #59
A ridiculous notion. Cracklin Charlie Jun 2015 #72
Payback time for Jami & the bank boys! Happened also when the 'public option' was deleted from... dmosh42 Jun 2015 #43
his new allies will do all they can to destroy his presidency first chance they get samsingh Jun 2015 #46
Except This time fredamae Jun 2015 #55
it seems that way samsingh Jun 2015 #74
Obama's trade deal is dividing our Democratic Party. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #52
I just hope that when the TAA is revived in the House sadoldgirl Jun 2015 #67
"The president says U.S. products must reach wider markets." Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #73
What US products, our war machines? What do we exactly manufacture? This is about lowering us to mother earth Jun 2015 #78
The US the worlds leader in weapons manufacture, it could stand a buzzcut! Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #79
Yes it could, sad that is how we "lead". nt mother earth Jun 2015 #80
We are living Orwellian times, my friend. K & R nt mother earth Jun 2015 #76
we sure are. NRaleighLiberal Jun 2015 #81
It is called "third way world." n/t PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #77
How sad that Barak allies himself with those who despise him:( grahamhgreen Jun 2015 #87
We've got a whole troupe of apologists for this garbage, who, a few short years ago, Marr Jun 2015 #101
Yup. nt truebluegreen Jun 2015 #106
Is this really ... NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #108
That is one utterly idiotic post, Nance - so what do you think is not correct? NRaleighLiberal Jun 2015 #111
What I think it utterly ridiculous ... NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #115
Yeah, he and the *Republicans* think it's good. His own party does not. Marr Jun 2015 #119
thank you. NRaleighLiberal Jun 2015 #122
And running around ... NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #123
It's Sharks vs. Jets for *you*, I know. Others are interested in policy, and are sick of Marr Jun 2015 #124
Ah, yes. NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #126
correction grasswire Jun 2015 #128
.. Cha Jun 2015 #129
And some are confused Aerows Jun 2015 #121
Gosh, you really feel so! I feel very sorry for you akbacchus_BC Jun 2015 #125
The media printed something about Obama Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #131
the OP is really jonesing for the TPP. i am thinking that is not good. pansypoo53219 Jun 2015 #135
NAFTA was such a success, why wouldn't we want to repeat the experience? the band leader Jun 2015 #136
 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
53. Boom.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:23 PM
Jun 2015

In hindsight, it is exceedingly easy to see who he has been working for all the time - single payer/public option off the table and Big Insurance and Big Pharma invited to belly up to the bar first thing. Willingness to consider SS cuts to get a budget deal. Whatever happened to his promises to labor about the card checkoff? Baling out the banksters and doing squat to reform Wall Street. Now this.

Who he has actually been working for 80+% of the time would be obvious to Stevie Wonder.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
2. The one where the TPP is a huge priority
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:22 AM
Jun 2015

they might even forget they hate his guts. Might is the operative word here. I don't think the young 'uns, even without Cantor, can do that.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
3. My jaw is still firmly in place. No amount of speculation "in an article" makes my jaw move,
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:32 AM
Jun 2015

except maybe to have a laugh.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
99. "Speculation"? What are you talking about?
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 08:35 PM
Jun 2015

The Republicans in Congress are very openly Obama's allies on the TPP. His party is predominantly against him on this.

It isn't a matter of interpretation.

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
23. Whoa, wait: So Republicans are going to vote against him on this and Democrats
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 01:06 PM
Jun 2015

are going to vote for it?

Good to know.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
54. As the Romans might ask, "post hoc ergo prompter hoc?"
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:24 PM
Jun 2015

As the Romans might ask, "post hoc ergo prompter hoc?"

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
39. that is simply incorrect. by any definition congressional republicana
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 01:51 PM
Jun 2015

are his allies on trade. Most Democrats are oppoaing his trafe agenda.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
93. I don't consider politicians to be the "base". If you do that is fine.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 07:47 PM
Jun 2015

"Most Democrats" (not limited to politicians) do support his trade agenda.

Congressional republicans may be his allies. The republican base surely is not.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
103. That seems like quite the tap dance
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:01 PM
Jun 2015

to avoid criticizing a President who deserves it. "Most Democrats" do not approve the trade agenda; they have seen them before.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
105. Polls show that Democrats do support the president's trade agenda.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:07 PM
Jun 2015

That is really nothing new though. Polls show that Democrats, outside the Beltway, have always been more supportive of expanded trade while republicans, outside the Beltway, have always been more critical of trade agreements and organizations.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
107. Link please.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:21 PM
Jun 2015

Do the polls show Democratic support of the specifics of the trade deals, or of this "trade" deal, or do they show support for the Democratic president? As for Republicans, I've always noticed that they hate and fear surrendering sovereignty to the UN or international law, but multi-national corporations? Not so much.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
112. Here you go:
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:49 PM
Jun 2015
Do the polls show Democratic support of the specifics of the trade deals, or of this "trade" deal, or do they show support for the Democratic president?

All of the above.



http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/11/07/why-cant-we-all-get-along-challenges-ahead-for-bipartisan-cooperation/

Poll done in April of Democrats only:

Initial TPA Ballot
Q5. From what you have heard, do you… granting President Obama trade promotion authority?

Strongly support 25%
Somewhat support 39%
Somewhat oppose 13%
Strongly oppose 8%
Don't know 14%

SUPPORT 64%
OPPOSE 21%


Initial TPP Ballot
Q7. From what you have heard, do you… President Obama's proposed Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement?

Strongly support 20%
Somewhat support 31%
Somewhat oppose 10%
Strongly oppose 8%
Don't know 30%

SUPPORT 52%
OPPOSE 18%


http://static1.squarespace.com/static/54e2b1d1e4b043f1c9a2a9ed/t/55424db8e4b04641a244468d/1430408665168/trade-poll.pdf

Poll: conservative and moderate republicans oppose fast track (for the TPP) by a ratio of 85 percent or higher.

On the question of fast-track authority, 62 percent of respondent opposed the idea, with 43 percent “strongly” opposing it. Broken down by political affiliation, only Democrats that identify as “liberal” strongly favor the idea. Predictably, a strong Republican majority oppose giving the president such authority, with both conservative and moderates oppose it by a ratio of 85 percent or higher.

http://www.ibtimes.com/trans-pacific-partnership-tpp-poll-only-strongest-obama-supporters-want-him-have-fast-track-1552039

hedda_foil

(16,374 posts)
120. This poll is ridiculous. They never define any of the terms except to indicate Obama wants them.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 01:08 AM
Jun 2015

Exactly what percentage of these folks do you think have a clue as to what they're agreeing with? 1%? 2%? Please.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
138. I know, right? When polls show that Democrats don't agree with us, either
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 06:59 AM
Jun 2015

1) the poll is biased - poor methodology, vague or leading questions, etc. or 2) the "Democrats" being polled are lying about being Democrats (most are probably tea party supporters lying to make Democrats look bad) or 3) they are just uniformed or clueless Democrats so their opinion really does not matter.

As a 'true believer', when confronted with polls that cast doubt on the popularity of our opinion with other Democrats, we must reject those polls immediately. OTOH, the polls above do show that the majority of Americans oppose TPP, so perhaps they are not the worst polls in the world.

 

Man from Pickens

(1,713 posts)
6. Same world but with the veil a little lifted
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:45 AM
Jun 2015

took a Democrat to "end welfare as we know it" also

just the usual, business interests and the politicians they have bought scheming against everyone else

don't be surprised when they keep voting as many times as necessary to pass, even though if legislation you like dies in Congress it will be another generation before your next chance - we're seeing exposed who the DC establishment really works for

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
7. Yea ...2 things noted...
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:52 AM
Jun 2015

"President Barack Obama and his Republican allies"

...and from a poster in that thread: pay for the "retraining" by cutting Medicare.

...and yet some want to see an extension of Obama with some war hawk added for 2016.

I never thought Obama would end up being a traitor to me. I actually went to one of his rallies in Tampa. I feel like a total sucker for that. What ever good he has done has been surpassed by the bad he has done ...and the bad he has tried to do. Good for those who got ACA ...I never qualified ...in Florida but I did hear him talk about single payer before I voted for him.

Signed,
Bern'd voter

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
37. I have never blamed him for what he could not get through because the Rs did everything in the
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 01:50 PM
Jun 2015

book to stop him but I am upset with what he is doing right now. It is neither good for our country or the partner countries we are talking into signing. More power to the multi-national corporations is the last thing the world needs. Only the Rs and a few renegades in our own party are for this mess.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
84. He didn't need any Republican Senators for ACA
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 06:28 PM
Jun 2015

He had enough Democratic Senator to pass whatever he wanted.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
117. And I agree with that but at the time I doubt that he understood the depth of the hatred that the
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:45 PM
Jun 2015

Rs have for him. I think he thought that they really cared about this country. Big mistake.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
10. Also known as a rare creature called bipartisanship.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:54 AM
Jun 2015

While House Democrats worry about being reelected in their little provincial local districts, some Democrats and President Obama, who serves all the people, recognize trade and international partnerships are critical for the American future, economy and security.

But let's check out, and let others lead the world.

We have to take care of the Number One priority for House Democrats - keeping their job! This should secure your job, right?

brentspeak

(18,290 posts)
15. Actually, it's called "corruption"
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 12:33 PM
Jun 2015

Corruption on a massive scale, perpetrated by ethically depraved politicians (Obama and his GOP allies, plus a few Wall St. Democrats) who have no scruples selling out the American public to multinational corporations.

President Obama, who serves all the people, recognize trade and international partnerships are critical for the American 1%'s future, economy and security.

I fixed it for you.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
19. On this there is 'bipartisanship' all around. The tea party was happy to see TAA and TPA die.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 12:53 PM
Jun 2015

And killing TAA was a particularly sweet way in their eyes to kill TPA since they have long regarded TAA it as a Democratic, pro-worker, wasteful government program that had been forced on them to begin with.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
140. I suspect the tea party will claim ownership of the demise of TAA, not Democrats.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 07:28 AM
Jun 2015

Democrats in the Senate forced unwilling republicans to include funding for TAA in their TPA bill. That made tea party senators furious. I suspect that is one in which the tea party will be happy to let Obama claim ownership.

lark

(23,099 posts)
29. Bipartisan screwing of the people is what's happening.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 01:26 PM
Jun 2015

So Dems should vote like Repugs, trickle down does wonders for our society, jobs won't flow out of the nation due to a trade deal? Nope!! Voting for TPP isn't being sensible, it's killing jobs, and vastly increasing the costs of medicines. It's giving international corporate profits primacy over national labor and environmental laws. TPP is NAFTA on steroids and we would definitely hear the sucking sound of American jobs going overseas even faster than they are now.

Voting for TPP isn't good for Democrats, it's very very bad. That's why the provisions are being kept more hidden than any other trade bill EVER. The one about corporate courts shutting down laws is being held secret for 4 years after the bill is finalized. Why, if this is a good bill, does the most important part have to be hidden from the world for 4 years? Because it's not a good bill, it's truly awful and only the 1% supports it or will get a single benefit from it.

ohnoyoudidnt

(1,858 posts)
40. What planet are you living on
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 01:51 PM
Jun 2015

that makes you think the Republicans are supporting this because it is good for working Americans?

NRaleighLiberal

(60,014 posts)
56. what a laugh. where is the bipartisanship in things that we on the left want?
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:39 PM
Jun 2015

I actually have no job - got laid off. Prove this - "recognize trade and international partnerships are critical for the American future, economy and security" - in what way does the TPP do this?

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
60. I'll let our Democratic president explain:
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:54 PM
Jun 2015
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/06/12/statement-president

Today, Republicans and Democrats in the House of Representatives voted to help the United States negotiate and enforce strong, high-standard trade deals that are good for American workers and good for American businesses. That’s a good thing. My top priority as President is to grow the economy and open new avenues of opportunity for hardworking Americans. And today’s new economy demands we encourage new sources of growth and job creation, so that America remains vital, dynamic, and on the cutting edge. That’s what smart new trade agreements can do – agreements for fair and free trade that level the playing field for our workers, open new markets for our businesses, and hold other countries to the kinds of high standards that Americans are proud to hold ourselves to here at home. These kinds of agreements reflect the realities of a 21st century economy. These kinds of agreements make sure that the global economy’s rules aren’t written by countries like China; they’re written by the United States of America. And to stand in their way is to do nothing but preserve the long-term status quo for American workers, and make it even harder for them to succeed.

Trade Promotion Authority (TPA) will expand workers’ rights, it will protect the environment, it will promote a free and open Internet, and it will support robust new measures to crack down on countries that break the rules – the same way we’ve brought dozens of new trade cases over the past six years, and won again and again. But as I’ve said before, new trade agreements should go hand in hand with support to American workers who’ve been harmed by trade in the past. Trade Adjustment Assistance (TAA) is an initiative that would give roughly 100,000 American workers access to vital support each year. But it’s currently scheduled to expire soon. Republicans and Democrats in the Senate have renewed it. Republicans and Democrats in the House failed to renew it today – and that inaction will directly hurt about 100,000 workers and their communities annually if those Members of Congress don’t reconsider. I urge the House to pass TAA without delay so that more middle-class workers can earn the chance to participate and succeed in our global economy.

I thank the bipartisan group of Representatives who came together on behalf of America’s workers, our businesses, and our economy. And I urge the House of Representatives to pass TAA as soon as possible, so I can sign them both, and give our workers and businesses even more wind at their backs to do what they do best: imagine, invent, build, and sell goods Made in America to the rest of the world.


Much more at: https://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/economy/trade

NRaleighLiberal

(60,014 posts)
61. and you trust this why, esp. when Reich and Krugman, along with Warren and others, have a different
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:58 PM
Jun 2015

view?

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
65. Because all the accusations and fears...
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 03:30 PM
Jun 2015

cited by the opponents to trade have no merit. They are speculation and conjecture.

All the proponents are asking is to let the TPP negotiations come to completion adhering to the still to be finalized Congressional guidelines for trade, and then if we don't like it, then we have specific grounds to oppose it. Congress would still have to pass it, and with all of us involved and looking at it on-line, it would still take 4 months to pass!

They are not voting on TPP. They are voting on the procedures and guidelines authorizing the president to negotiate trade as specified by Congress (TPA). They are voting on assistance to displaced workers (TAA), which Democrats have supported since 1974.

The easy choice for a Democrat is "Never again!"

Obama has never been about the easy choice.



Elwood P Dowd

(11,443 posts)
69. TPP is NOT a trade deal. It is an investment/outsourcing/corporate power grab deal.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 04:26 PM
Jun 2015

Almost all of the progressive groups in the country are against it. The repuke front groups, Wall Street, RNC, and mega corporations are spending millions to cram this piece of treason down our throats. Basically nothing more than a corporate coup d'etat. The damn thing was written by corporate lawyers and lobbyists that have taken over the USTR.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
71. Not a little over the top?
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 04:37 PM
Jun 2015

"Corporate coup d'état"?

"Cram this treason down our throats"?

"Corporate lawyers and lobbyists have taken over the USTR"?

"Investment/outsourcing/corporate power grab?"

You really believe all this?

Elwood P Dowd

(11,443 posts)
75. Why don't you check who has been running the USTR the past few years.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 05:19 PM
Jun 2015

Its nothing more than a revolving door of corporate lawyers and lobbyists.

USTR Nominee Froman Called 'One Of The Most Egregious Examples Of The Way The Revolving Door Works Between Gov't And Business'

After posting a bit about Michael Froman, the new nominee for USTR, I was already skeptical that he'd be any improvement over the predecessor, Ron Kirk. After all, Froman was deeply involved in three of the worst free trade agreements that the US has negotiated over the past few years, which more or less set the model for the ambitious and dangerously misguided ACTA and TPP agreements. However, some others have pointed out that it may be even worse, highlighting a Felix Salmon blog post from 2009, in which he calls Michael Froman out as being an "egregious example" of the revolving door problem we've highlighted between regulators and the businesses they regulate.

[Michael Froman's] one of the most egregious examples — up there with Bob Rubin, literally — we’ve yet seen of the way the revolving door works between business and government generally, and between Citigroup and Treasury in particular.

That's troubling, to say the least. Salmon points to a Matt Taibbi piece for Rolling Stone that highlights some very questionable activity on the part of Froman, including keeping his job at Citibank while helping to select the economic team for Obama's first term... the very folks who would be in charge of regulating Citibank

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
92. Froman, this guy.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 07:22 PM
Jun 2015

This is evil incarnate?

Or qualified, dedicated public servant with appropriate background?

I suppose we could just hire the next round of GED graduates and put them in charge?

Michael Froman was sworn in as the 11th United States Trade Representative (USTR) on June 21, 2013. As USTR, he is President Obama’s principal advisor, negotiator and spokesperson on international trade and investment issues.

Ambassador Froman leads the Office of the United States Trade Representative in its work to open global markets for U.S. goods and services, enforce America’s rights in the global trading system, and foster development through trade. Key initiatives ongoing under his leadership are negotiations of the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement in the Asia Pacific; the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership with the European Union; negotiation of agreements on services, information technology and trade facilitation at the World Trade Organization; and monitoring and enforcement U.S. trade rights, including through the Interagency Trade and Enforcement Center (ITEC).

Prior to becoming USTR, Ambassador Froman served at the White House as Assistant to the President and Deputy National Security Advisor for International Economic Affairs, where he was responsible for coordinating policy on international trade and finance, energy security and climate change, and development and democracy issues. He served as the U.S. Sherpa for the G20 and G8 Summits, and staffed the President for the APEC Leaders Meetings. In addition, he chaired or co-chaired the Major Economies Forum on Energy and Climate, the Transatlantic Economic Council, the U.S.-India CEO Forum and the U.S.-Brazil CEO Forum.

Prior to joining the Obama Administration, Ambassador Froman served in a number of roles at Citigroup and as a Senior Fellow at the Council of Foreign Relations and a Resident Fellow at the German Marshall Fund.

In the 1990’s, Ambassador Froman spent seven years in the U.S. Government. He served as Chief of Staff and as Deputy Assistant Secretary for Eurasia and the Middle East at the U.S. Department of Treasury. He also worked at the White House, where he served as a Director for International Economic Affairs at the National Security Council and National Economic Council.

Ambassador Froman received a bachelor’s degree in Public and International Affairs from Princeton University, a doctorate in International Relations from Oxford University and law degree from Harvard Law School, where he was an editor of the Harvard Law Review. He was born in California. He, his wife, Nancy Goodman, and their two living children, Benjamin and Sarah, reside in Washington, D.C.

https://ustr.gov/about-us/biographies-key-officials/united-states-trade-representative-michael-froman

Elwood P Dowd

(11,443 posts)
113. That is soooo funny.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:58 PM
Jun 2015

Former corporate executive and head of USTR writes his own bio and conveniently leaves out all the shady corporate dealing years he spent at Citi Group.

Elwood P Dowd

(11,443 posts)
114. And there is this about Citigroup sending it's executives to work in govt agencies to grease the
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 10:06 PM
Jun 2015

skids for favorable legislation.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120967/wall-street-pays-bankers-work-government-and-wants-it-secret


“It fuels the revolving door between banks and the government,” said Michael Smallberg, an investigator for the Project On Government Oversight (POGO), whose 2013 report detailed these types of compensation agreements. The average executive branch salary is substantially less than these millions in awards, so the bonuses effectively supplement the lower pay, raising questions about who the government officials actually work for.

Citigroup is a serial user of these practices, if only because so many of its alumni serve in government. Jack Lew, Weiss’ boss at Treasury, had $250,000 to $500,000 in restricted stock vested after he left an executive position at the bank, part of a $1.1 million golden parachute revealed during the confirmation process. Stanley Fischer, currently the vice chair of the Federal Reserve, had a similar clause in his Citigroup employment contract. U.S. Trade Representative Michael Froman received over $4 million in multiple exit payments from Citigroup when he left for the Obama Administration.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
110. YESSSSSSSS! HE'S GOT IT EXACTLY RIGHT!!!
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:30 PM
Jun 2015

If it were so damn good for us there would be NO DAMN REASON TO KEEP IT SO F'ING SECRET!

Do you really think that a bill being worked in that fashion with primarily corporate leaders and the USTR is working in our interests? REALLY? And you expect us to believe this crap!?

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
66. 100,000 American workers?
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 03:37 PM
Jun 2015

Where are you getting this from?

Do you seriously think Obama is sitting thinking "Sure, we'll lose 100,000 jobs, but I'll have speaking fees for the rest of my life!"

People don't understand just how crazy that sounds. Especially when you hear it over and over and over, like it is fact. Like it is not crazy.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
109. TPP has fuckall to do with trade--except for 5 of 29 articles
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:26 PM
Jun 2015

The rest of it is just international partnerships of the 1% everywhere to fuck over the 99% everywhere. Anyone actually concerned about trade would just pull out those five articles and pass them separately. If you are with the Republicans, then you are against labor and the environment.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
11. If you haven't been aware of this until now, you must have been asleep. also 'reply 16 in
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 12:04 PM
Jun 2015

that thread blames the top debacle on unions. When people say "the president and his republican allies", they're talking about boner, McConnell, and the BOG.

NRaleighLiberal

(60,014 posts)
57. I've been well aware of it for a long long time. Just disappointing and deserving of being
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:39 PM
Jun 2015

highlighted when it is so clear and stark.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
12. I wish Democrats would ally with our Democratic President on the issue of trade.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 12:09 PM
Jun 2015

Because it is now becoming clear that the Democrats want to cede control of trade to a future Republican administration.

That makes exactly no sense.

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
24. I wish we had a President that acted like a Democrat
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 01:08 PM
Jun 2015

When he described his economic policy as moderate Republican he wasn't kidding

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
104. Current R administration = multi-national corporation's stooges
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:06 PM
Jun 2015

...with a dollop of social justice as a sweetener.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
45. I wish the president would ally with the large majority of democrats on this fiasco
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 01:57 PM
Jun 2015

It's good in a way that the end of his presidency has exposed his corporate sympathies.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
49. So you believe it is "good" that the Democrats are letting the GOP handle trade?
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:10 PM
Jun 2015

Sorry Doctor, it still makes no sense.

Why do you want the GOP to control World trade?

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
133. That is what you want, to pass FastTrack so that the TeaPubliKlans will have control of the
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 04:36 AM
Jun 2015

corporate takeover/trade agenda.

Why would you trust the TeaPubliKlans to protect American workers, safeguard the environment, and regulate multinationals? Seems absurd to me.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
47. and fuck unions, fuck every environmental org, fuck public intetest groups
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 01:59 PM
Jun 2015

and fuck public health groups. Fuck the NAACP which also opposes the tpp. Nice. And no it does not mean ceding trade to repukes. Rejecting tpa ensures that. But don't worry, odds are they'll cave, and if a repuke is elected prez, they damn well will be in charge.

You make no sense and you seem fine with screwing progressive allies

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
134. It will be more than that, this is the allotment for those who will qualify and jump the hoops.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 04:54 AM
Jun 2015

As per the usual, many will be left out but this gives a little bit of cover for sellout pols and their cheerleaders.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
13. The one where the Democratic Party abandons free trade by default.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 12:10 PM
Jun 2015

Took about 70 years but that's the point we're at, backsliding into isolationism.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
17. Yeah there are people opposed to this...
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 12:48 PM
Jun 2015

There are also very smart people for it. I've seen enough on DU and enough in the press to not fully buy what either side is saying. Will the TPP cost some jobs? Yeah probably, but many of those jobs are going away anyways. Will the TPP advance the US interest in fair trade? Yeah probably, but it won't be a cure-all. I would need something further than a fact sheet from a think-tank with a dog in the fight and Michael Hiltzik who I respect very much but isn't exactly the international trade expert. Most of what's in that fact sheet is vague and only indirectly about this agreement. It makes a philosophical argument, not a direct argument against this agreement.

I get the fierce opposition to globalization broadly and to trade agreements more specifically on DU, but I consider the source. I respect the judgment of the President and the capabilities of his expert advisors and negotiators that this is in the national interest.

Sorry.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
20. It's just not as simple as either side makes it out to be...
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 12:55 PM
Jun 2015

...and the basics of this debate go back more than 200 years!

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
48. You want smart people: Paul Krugman, Robert Reich, Joseph Stiglitz and many more economists.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:01 PM
Jun 2015

They have been FDR democrats from long ago. They are not trickle down economists. They have reasons for what is happening. I will follow them before I follow any one else.

Forgot to add Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Saunders.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
86. No, the "very smart people" you claim are in favor of the TPP.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 06:31 PM
Jun 2015

Nothing prevents those people from trying and convince us to sell ourselves down the river.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
90. Ceding powers traditionally held by government, such as settling lawsuits,
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 07:10 PM
Jun 2015

to corporate entities is one of the hallmarks of fascism. The TPP very clearly does this, so the "F-word" is applicable to this scenario.

You may very well be comfortable letting other "smart people" do your thinking for you, but I'd rather think for myself. To quote Captain Kirk from Star Trek II: Wrath of Khan: "I'm laughing at the superior intellect."

pampango

(24,692 posts)
22. "Old" liberal Democrats like FDR, Truman and Kennedy pushed 'freer' trade and the institutions
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 01:04 PM
Jun 2015

that support it. The republican party resisted them for 4 decades before finally caving. Their base still has not 'caved' and hates everything about them.

Many "new" liberal Democrats seem to regret what those 'old' liberal Democrats accomplished, perhaps preferring the pre-FDR trade policy of Coolidge and Hoover when there were high tariffs and no 'sovereignty-robbing' international trade organizations.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
42. Ahh Ye Olde Liberalism
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 01:52 PM
Jun 2015

"There is no greater impotence in all the world like knowing you are right and that the wave of the world is wrong, yet the wave crashes upon you."

- Norman Mailer, Armies of the Night

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
51. LOL nice job turning the arguement upside down. Those old FDR trade agreements were about
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:16 PM
Jun 2015

actual trade of products not multi-national corporations profit and power over both the workers and the buyer. The laws to allow the FDR type of trade are still in force as far as I know. They do not give the new people = corporations power over the real people.

As to tariffs they should actually be in any trade deal we make because they are actually a good tool to use when labor laws and environmental laws are not met in other countries. They also do not need a deal with other countries to put them in place (except NAFTA outlawed them). But we do not put them in our deals because they would impact the profits of the 1%.

As far as I can see the only enforcement we have in the TPP is the multi-national corporations themselves. Good luck with that. They left the US because of the same laws we expect them to enforce in the other countries. Not happening.

Elwood P Dowd

(11,443 posts)
70. Great reply jwirr. The recent so called "free trade" deals are from another planet compared
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 04:31 PM
Jun 2015

to the days of FDR, but the poster keeps trying to lump them together.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
94. "Those old FDR trade agreements" included the ITO which dealt with labor rights, investor protection
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 07:57 PM
Jun 2015

business regulation and a commitment to full employment. It went well beyond "the actual trade of products".

The laws to allow the FDR type of trade are still in force as far I know.

Indeed they are - in Europe. Much more trade than the U.S., labor protections, business regulations, etc.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
116. Notice that they did not include multi-national corporations profits and power. That is what I am
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:42 PM
Jun 2015

upset about. What we call free trade today is not fair trade. It was then.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
137. The ITO did include "investment protection" in addition to labor standards, business regulation and
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 06:49 AM
Jun 2015

others. While it would have led to "free" (as in no tariff and non-tariff barriers) trade, it would not have been "free" from the perspective of conservatives due to all the "non-trade" (labor standards, etc.) that would have been part of it. Of course, the ire of conservatives towards it explains why congress refused to ratify it.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
141. I have nothing against an insurance for investors as long as investors are also regulated. Otherwise
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 09:16 AM
Jun 2015

we have the casino market that is present today.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
143. I think back to the bailout of AIG. They were going broke because they were the insurance company
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 11:22 AM
Jun 2015

that was insuring the bank loans. They did not bother to regulate the banks that they were insuring. IMO they should not have been bailed out. They knowingly insured risky loans - take the consequences.

Had it been you and me AIG would have taken a look at our credit rating, our payment history and our indebtedness and insured us on that basis. They should have done the same with the banks and short of that they should have blown the whistle on the banks long before the crash.

hedda_foil

(16,374 posts)
127. When they were pushing trade, the U.S. was the manufacturer to the world.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 01:25 AM
Jun 2015

Of course they pushed for trade. We were selling American products to countries whose industrial bases were devastated by war, while we made literally everything except shoddy trinkets.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
139. So FDR and Truman were short-sighted and could not imagine a future world where Europe and Asia
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 07:25 AM
Jun 2015

had recovered from the war and would have a renewed manufacturing base? They did not foresee that Europe and Asia would not then use the 'push for trade' against us? I suspect they were not that clueless but were committed to international engagement and cooperation as evidenced by all the multinational organizations that were created under their leadership.

Or maybe FDR and Truman were devious at heart and secretly planned to 'push for trade' for a decade or two while we were the 'manufacturer of the world', then when Europe and Asia recovered, perhaps they figured their successors would reverse their trade policy and announce "The US is now out of the ITO we created. Here are the new trade rules we have come up with unilaterally. Hope you like them but if you don't, we really don't care. We are bigger and stronger than you. Thanks for playing the game."

Actually, FDR and Truman were really following in Democratic tradition of 'freer' and more trade and lower tariffs which had existed since the end of the Civil War and culminated in Woodrow Wilson's "mini-globalization" before WWI and his attempt at 'freer' trade and a League of Nations after WWI - both of which the republican senate shot down.

If Herbert Hoover or a similar republican successor (they believed in a high-tariff policy back in the day) had led us through WWII, they would have stayed true to their convictions after the war that high tariffs and little trade "protect" American companies. Of course, FDR and Truman led us through the war and immediate post-war period. All republicans could do was refuse to ratify the International Trade Organization. They could not enact higher tariffs or trade restrictions until Eisenhower became president which they did. But then Kennedy came along and lowered tariffs down again and initiated the Kennedy round of negotiations at GATT to increase trade and help developing countries.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
26. What do our international partners think of us?
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 01:15 PM
Jun 2015

This trade negotiation was started 10 years ago (here's your 'fast-track' ).

11 other countries got a dog in this hunt, but let's show them how America works!

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/17/world/asia/obama-trans-pacific-partnership-asia.html?ref=politics

With President Obama’s trade agenda in jeopardy in Congress, the nations of Asia are weighing the potential impact of a failed deal on local jobs and exports, but also something else: American influence in the region.

For many here, the defeat of a sweeping trade and investment pact being negotiated between the United States and 11 other Pacific Rim nations would weaken Washington’s already strained claim to leadership in Asia and undermine a commitment by Mr. Obama to devote more attention and resources to a group of countries contending with the growing power of China.

Congress rejected legislation on Friday that is crucial to completing the trade deal, the Trans-Pacific Partnership, throwing its future — and its potential to bind together countries friendly to American interests — into doubt.

“If this collapses, Pacific Rim countries will be aghast,” said Shunpei Takemori, a professor at Keio University in Japan, the largest economy in the would-be trade zone after the United States. “China is pushing, and if the U.S. just stands aside, it would be a tragedy.”

lark

(23,099 posts)
31. Waah, Jaime Daimon won't get all the goodies he wants.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 01:30 PM
Jun 2015

Big pharma must be having a coniption too.

lark

(23,099 posts)
27. It's a totally bizzarro world today.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 01:17 PM
Jun 2015

It's also getting worse by the minute as Obama drops any pretension of being a Democrat and continues to try to paint lipstick on the pig that's the TPP.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
30. Many folks recognized
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 01:27 PM
Jun 2015

"something was off" from the get-go...ie: by the fall 2009/early 2010 Debt Ceiling/Budget Crises etc it became fairly obvious what the hell was wrong.

Dems NEVER Drew a Line in the Sand and Said NO! They caved and capitulated to help the GOP get their legislation passed...Dems stood in front of the cameras Bashing the GOP this and the GOP that...yet at the Same time they too had their finger on the YES button on the day of the vote...only to come back to MSM's cameras to tell us all how shitty "it" is...how much we hated to do that, it's ALL the GOP's Fault...but We had NO Choice!
This after "we" kicked into gear...OWS emerged...Where were the Vast majority of Dems when the cops started Beating Peaceful Protesters? What happened to the Promise of doning a pair of Walking Shoes in solidarity with "the people"? When we made calls/emails/visits en masse', lobbied en masse' against/for any particular issue.....how'd That work out? Single Payer? Gun Control?

Bull Sh!t

We bought it en masse' for far too long..those who tried to tell others were bashed, criticized and then fed healthy doses of "Twenty-Eleventy Dimensional Chess".

It seems This always was the case....in a "good cop/bad cop" sorta way
"WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama and his Republican allies on trade are thinking of restarting their legislative push in the Senate. It's testament to a crucial miscalculation they made months ago."
http://www.timesunion.com/news/politics/article/Key-miscalculation-forces-Obama-to-weigh-new-path-6331873.php


I can't disagree that the dimensional chess games theory Worked but we were/are the gullible pawns.
just my personal opinion.


fredamae

(4,458 posts)
62. Exactly and factor in all
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 03:12 PM
Jun 2015

the legislative "rules, loop-holes and other shenanigans" the GOP used and the Dems had None to use to Counter the GOP literally Controlling our congress while in the minority??

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
32. I heard on NPR that the Republicans actually applauded him on TPP.....
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 01:37 PM
Jun 2015

You know,....for kicking us hippies.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
41. I read David Brooks today...
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 01:52 PM
Jun 2015

He was talking about Democratic tea party members.

Is there such a thing?

They seem desperate to unload some baggage onto the Democrats.

Punx

(446 posts)
59. Brooks
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:54 PM
Jun 2015

and others, including some here on DU are trying to imply that those on the left, or those here who oppose free trade are as crazy (irrational) as the Republican tea partiers.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
72. A ridiculous notion.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 04:38 PM
Jun 2015

Ridiculous like David Brooks. I only read it because the "Democratic tea partiers" bit was in the headline of his column.

He never really explained just who these new class of creatures were. Sometimes I read his column for a lark, and I always come away thinking that I have no idea what the column was actually about. Same thing happened today. Waste of ink.

dmosh42

(2,217 posts)
43. Payback time for Jami & the bank boys! Happened also when the 'public option' was deleted from...
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 01:54 PM
Jun 2015

the ACA.(let the insurance corp. write the law)

samsingh

(17,598 posts)
46. his new allies will do all they can to destroy his presidency first chance they get
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 01:58 PM
Jun 2015

much as he underestimated Romney in the first debate and overestimated his own performance, I believe Obama has really hurt himself in pursuit of this trade agreement.

in the first term, he used to lecture progressives - who got him into power - about expecting too much. Well, we are the ones who got him back into office. Once again he's turned him back on us.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
55. Except This time
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:25 PM
Jun 2015

it sure Feels more like The Door is now Publicly Hard Slammed in Our collective faces.
He doesn't need us anymore

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
52. Obama's trade deal is dividing our Democratic Party.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:23 PM
Jun 2015

He needs to drop it and focus on reviving the American Main Stream economy. It's still a wreck. And people are getting impatient with the focus on trade deals that cost us jobs instead of building infrastructure and funding education here.

The winners in the 2008 stock market crash, those who have earned money from free trade, etc. need to pay taxes to fund recovery in the rest of the US. A recovery in which wages remain pretty much stagnant, the real unemployment numbers are too high and in which the real cost of living continues to rise faster than wages may look good on paper, but it does not feel good to working people.

Raise the taxes on those profiting from trade deals for massive repair and development of our infrastructure, job retraining (free not based on loans for education), free college, free day-care/pre-school, more money into Social Security and Medicare, and a social network for ordinary people.

And once all those measures are solidly in place, and the extreme right and Third Way Democrats accept that their economic models do not work, then we can talk about free trade.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
67. I just hope that when the TAA is revived in the House
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 03:51 PM
Jun 2015

the Dems realize that they are up for reelection in 2016.

In the meantime we should let all Medicare patients
know where the TAA money would come from.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
73. "The president says U.S. products must reach wider markets."
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 04:39 PM
Jun 2015

Don't US weapons reach every square inch of the planet now?! How wide of a market? All the way to the edge of the universe? The universe is flat, dontcha know.

mother earth

(6,002 posts)
78. What US products, our war machines? What do we exactly manufacture? This is about lowering us to
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 05:22 PM
Jun 2015

third world standards, for our own good, dontcha know.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
101. We've got a whole troupe of apologists for this garbage, who, a few short years ago,
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 08:46 PM
Jun 2015

were holding up Obama's promise to 'renegotiate NAFTA' as one more great thing about him. Now that he's pushing NAFTA on steroids, they're suddenly embracing the same old tired propaganda they used to mock-- accusing opponents of the TPP of being 'isolationists' and all the rest of that right-wing, empty-headed, deceitful nonsense. All to defend a politician, who will soon retire into great wealth.

It's actually embarrassing to watch.

NanceGreggs

(27,814 posts)
108. Is this really ...
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:25 PM
Jun 2015

... the first time you've been "shocked" by something you read about Obama?

You must be new to this game.

Of course, if it was printed, it MUST be true! We ALL know that - right?

Maybe it's time to revisit the "shocking news" that Obama is a Kenyan-born secret Muslim who has a gay lover.

Because THAT was printed, too -- see what I mean?

NRaleighLiberal

(60,014 posts)
111. That is one utterly idiotic post, Nance - so what do you think is not correct?
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:46 PM
Jun 2015

Do you read the news? Are you aware of the effort he is putting in to making this happen, for which he needs to enlist republican help? Your response is just utterly disappointing in every respect.

NanceGreggs

(27,814 posts)
115. What I think it utterly ridiculous ...
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 10:08 PM
Jun 2015

... is reading a newspaper that uses the phrase "Obama and his Republican allies" and reacting with, "OMG!!! Obama is allies with Republicans!!!"

Yes, I am aware he wants to "make this happen". That's probably because he thinks it's good for the country.

And no, I don't read anything in the news about Obama that I don't take with a ton of salt - any more than I take what I read on DU about Obama seriously.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
119. Yeah, he and the *Republicans* think it's good. His own party does not.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 01:08 AM
Jun 2015

The description of Republicans as Obama's allies in promoting the TPP is wholly accurate. Sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting "ODS" doesn't change anything.

NanceGreggs

(27,814 posts)
123. And running around ...
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 01:15 AM
Jun 2015

... a message board yelling that Obama is set on selling the country out doesn't change anything either.

It's Sharks & Jets - and no one is going to switch gangs no matter what anyone says.

I should think that would be more than obvious by now.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
124. It's Sharks vs. Jets for *you*, I know. Others are interested in policy, and are sick of
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 01:17 AM
Jun 2015

the juvenile focus on personalities.

NanceGreggs

(27,814 posts)
126. Ah, yes.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 01:21 AM
Jun 2015

Yes, of course.

I've seen that "policies" not "personalities" thing all over DU on a daily basis.



 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
121. And some are confused
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 01:13 AM
Jun 2015

as to why Bernie Sanders is drawing crowds big enough that they have to change venues to accommodate them all.

Obama is torpedoing Hillary's campaign with support of this corporate giveaway, and any Democrat that supports it.

I'll wager that more than a few Republicans are also terrified of it, too, because the American people are sick of these agreements that do nothing but offshore our jobs and wages while handing over our sovereignty to corporate control. That is nothing that the United States stands for.

akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
125. Gosh, you really feel so! I feel very sorry for you
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 01:18 AM
Jun 2015

But carry on. You are so wrong about President Obama.

The media lies sometimes!

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