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trump filed for bankruptcy 4 times (Original Post) DesertFlower Jun 2015 OP
and now he has 9 billion dollars??? NightWatcher Jun 2015 #1
Quick question - How in the blue hell can ANYONE hifiguy Jun 2015 #2
If trump is running the casino, then I'll take those odds. Exilednight Jun 2015 #4
And that sums up his economic plan. Exilednight Jun 2015 #3
My answer: Xyzse Jun 2015 #5
i know 3 people who did this. one DesertFlower Jun 2015 #7
Yep, it was a pretty skeazy time. Xyzse Jun 2015 #8
Most of the debt Trump incurred was through bonds that were sold to the public. underpants Jun 2015 #6

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
1. and now he has 9 billion dollars???
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 03:48 PM
Jun 2015

Why not make him go back and pay some of the people left holding the bag for his debts in the past.

I'm in favor of getting help for getting out from under a pile of debt, but using it as a way to screw over a system only to then turn around and make 9 billion seems a bit shady to me.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
2. Quick question - How in the blue hell can ANYONE
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 03:50 PM
Jun 2015

go broke running fucking CASINOS? By definition a casino ALWAYS makes money. How can anyone running CASINOS go BROKE FOUR TIMES? The odds against this have to be in the quadrillions to one.

This shitheel would fuck up a two-car funeral on a one-way street even if you spotted him the hearse. He is as worthless and useless as a left-handed football bat.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
5. My answer:
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 04:03 PM
Jun 2015
http://www.salon.com/2014/09/29/the_big_middle_class_rip_off_how_a_short_sale_taught_me_rich_peoples_ethics/

Monday, Sep 29, 2014 05:35 PM EDT
The big “middle class” rip-off: How a short sale taught me rich people’s ethics

So many of us are clueless about business and finance. Here's why that's just the way the investment class likes it
Edwin Lyngar


“Behind every great fortune lies a great crime.” – Honoré de Balzac.

The closest I ever came to acting like a rich person was two years ago when I short-sold my primary residence. I might have been able to keep it but strategic default made life easier. I owed about $400,000 on a house that short-sold for $150K. The bank lost more than a quarter of a million dollars, and I lost at least $80K in down payment and property improvements. In a short sale the bank agrees to settle debt for the lesser amount and the seller gets nothing but is “punished” by not being able to finance another house for at least two years (rules vary). My moment of acting rich was when I bought a second house before short-selling the first to skirt around the repercussions of my own bad luck.

When the housing market tanked a few years ago, the government rescued every bank and business (even a damned insurance company), while ignoring everyone else. I realized that the game was fatally lopsided, so I didn’t just walk away in middle-class shame, but rather I employed all my (extremely limited) cunning and deviousness to get a similar home before ditching the old one. I was able to cash in on low housing prices from a couple of years ago, coupled with low interest rates, to come out on top. The biggest barrier to getting a great deal was an almost overpowering need to behave like a middle-class sucker.

I was taught growing up to “keep my word” and that your handshake “meant something.” Yet businessmen and individual wealthy people make decisions that are far less moral than a short sale. People “incorporate” so they can avoid legal responsibility for individual actions. It works great. You can stiff creditors, declare bankruptcy, pollute daily and raid pensions to enrich individual executives. If it all goes wrong, like it has so often for Donald Trump, you can keep your mansions and individual fortunes. It is no accident that the best-paid CEO in America has never made a dime for the company. If regular Americans acted like corporations and the moneyed class, our country would collapse in a week from systemic theft, corruption and greed.

I always knew business was getting over on me, but I had no idea the extent until I started looking to short-sell. I first learned all I could about private home financing. I called up some shady investment groups around town and questioned them at length. I didn’t end up using them, but they were frank, informative and unashamed.

“Who would pay 11 percent on a home loan?” I asked.

“Rich people,” said “Bill” from the legal loan-sharking company. “The rich have terrible credit.”

Rich people = bad credit: Just let that sink in.

Bill told me in roundabout ways that rich people never pay a bill if there is any way around it. If something goes wrong in an investment or a business, they always preserve their own assets first. We’ve all heard the generalization that they’re lousy tippers.

Most Americans are clueless about business and finance. Instead, we are a caste of customers. We consume short-term predatory lending, school loans that can never be discharged, inflated mortgages, high-interest credit cards, fast food and overpriced automobiles. We “invest” in basic IRAs, doomsday prepping or Ponzi schemes. The worst part is that no matter how much money we gain or lose, the investor class always gets paid.


Very interesting read.

Yes, it shows how immoral and crazy the rich can be in regards to their debts, but it shows how things are, and it is an illuminating read.


DesertFlower

(11,649 posts)
7. i know 3 people who did this. one
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 04:27 PM
Jun 2015

made money on the deal. he took loans on the mortgage when the value was high. they all tried getting their mortgage lowered and got bullshit. "sign this paper" -- "no you signed different than last time or time expired -- start over again". yadda, yadda, yadda.

one bought her house with no money down and was paying $22-2400 a month to live in her own house. it was all interest. paid that for years. she tried a "short sale" and when that didn't work she let it go to foreclosure.

i don't know what i would have done in a situation like that. i like to think of myself as an honest person, but i really can't say that i wouldn't have done the same thing.

my late husband used to say "banks are evil". that was years before all this happened.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
8. Yep, it was a pretty skeazy time.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 04:29 PM
Jun 2015

Banks came out ahead, at least the larger ones did by quite a bit.

underpants

(182,803 posts)
6. Most of the debt Trump incurred was through bonds that were sold to the public.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 04:26 PM
Jun 2015

"People knew who Donald Trump was and for that reason were willing to trust the bonds, and they got burned," LoPucki said. "The people who invested with him or based on his name lost money, but he himself came out pretty well."

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