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JanMichael

(24,887 posts)
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 06:57 PM Jun 2015

Mark Stebbins - yes Margaret there is another transracial. And probaby many more.

Should we demonize him too? Someone fighting inequality? f them eh?

oh and by the by the way people lie like shit on birth certificates. To use them as an arguement is horribly myopic.

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Mark Stebbins - yes Margaret there is another transracial. And probaby many more. (Original Post) JanMichael Jun 2015 OP
Nice post, Trump! KamaAina Jun 2015 #1
mine was so bite me. nt JanMichael Jun 2015 #2
Calling someone out for being a phoney is miles apart from "demonizing". I don't think that word... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #3
a little extreme but i am talking about the concept not the maligned person in washington. JanMichael Jun 2015 #4
actually, tranaracial refers to minority kids brought up.in white families cali Jun 2015 #5
Agreed. bravenak Jun 2015 #6
Name all of the transracial white men. You know, the big black dudes who are white now and treated bravenak Jun 2015 #7
I don't think anyone is trying to take anything from anyone else. Dolezal BreakfastClub Jun 2015 #9
She stole a history that was not her own for her own benefit. bravenak Jun 2015 #10
I doubt transmen begin enjoying male privilege after they transition, prayin4rain Jun 2015 #11
Are talking transgender? bravenak Jun 2015 #12
No, were not. But, we are talking about the prayin4rain Jun 2015 #13
There is no parallel. bravenak Jun 2015 #15
I don't know what you mean when you say prayin4rain Jun 2015 #16
It wouldn't stop any of the discrimination in any way. bravenak Jun 2015 #17
It seems like prayin4rain Jun 2015 #18
It would be nice if we could do it that way, but this is the reality we live in. bravenak Jun 2015 #19
That may be the damn miserable truth. prayin4rain Jun 2015 #21
I realize that prayin4rain Jun 2015 #23
I know how it is to be overly idealistic. bravenak Jun 2015 #24
Truth prayin4rain Jun 2015 #25
Lol! I WISH I was a badass! bravenak Jun 2015 #27
You TOTALLY are! prayin4rain Jun 2015 #28
Thank you!! bravenak Jun 2015 #29
You're welcome. ...just telling it like it is! n/t prayin4rain Jun 2015 #30
The only way to give up on the concept of race gollygee Jun 2015 #20
Yeah, that's true prayin4rain Jun 2015 #22
that has nothing to do with any of this JI7 Jun 2015 #14
Steve Martin was transracial in the movie The Jerk. nt BreakfastClub Jun 2015 #8
Malcolm Gladwell was successfully transitioned as well. AngryAmish Jun 2015 #26
He is biracial, not transracial. n/t gollygee Jun 2015 #31

Tarheel_Dem

(31,234 posts)
3. Calling someone out for being a phoney is miles apart from "demonizing". I don't think that word...
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 07:00 PM
Jun 2015

means what you think it does.

JanMichael

(24,887 posts)
4. a little extreme but i am talking about the concept not the maligned person in washington.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 07:05 PM
Jun 2015

is maligned ok with you? how about dismissed or negated?

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
7. Name all of the transracial white men. You know, the big black dudes who are white now and treated
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 08:34 PM
Jun 2015

as such. I have time.
I bet you won't find one dark skinned black person that white people and society accept as fully white and they get treated as such. Because it's a bullshit white privilege fabrication that only wirks from white to black.
For a black person to be called white, we have to be mostly WHITE, like so white that we look WHITE. But for some reason, you seem to think that we should accept white to black racial transitioning even though there will never ever be a black to white transition that will ever be accepted.
Just take take take from black folks, take everyting, even their very race and history. It's fine. Black people shoukdn't get to have blackness for themselves. Take the last things we have that haven't been stolen from us already by white people at some point and give it to this white lady. Kinda racist but it figures. Black people don't own blackness, white ladies that went to Howard deserve to have ut if they feel like they want it.

BreakfastClub

(765 posts)
9. I don't think anyone is trying to take anything from anyone else. Dolezal
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:06 PM
Jun 2015

didn't set out to maliciously steal history in my view. She's just mentally unstable with a shifting sense of identity. It no doubt comes from her abusive childhood, and in my opinion, is not indicative of her being a racist or of her trying to harm anyone else. I don't believe it comes from any sense of entitlement from being a white woman either. I have never met a white woman who thinks she's entitled to be black. I don't think that's a common theme among white ladies.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
10. She stole a history that was not her own for her own benefit.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:11 PM
Jun 2015

People can be disturbed individuals in need of treatment while at the same time being super selfish and terribly self centered.
My problem is with folks saying that if she 'feel' black we should accept her as such. This is my response to that. Just because a white lady feels black, does not make her such. And it's irritating to me to see white folks actually trying to convince us to go along with her bullshit because of her 'feelings'.
I suffered abuse too, and ain't nan one of them gonna let me be white just to save me from my feelings about racism and shit. No. I'm not having this shit. She is not a black woman, period, final answer.

prayin4rain

(2,065 posts)
11. I doubt transmen begin enjoying male privilege after they transition,
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:23 PM
Jun 2015

but that doesn't invalidate the right of transwomen or transmen to transition.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
12. Are talking transgender?
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:27 PM
Jun 2015

Because I'm not. I'm only talking about this made up idea of white women/men transitioning into black women/men.

prayin4rain

(2,065 posts)
13. No, were not. But, we are talking about the
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:30 PM
Jun 2015

concept that a white person can't transition to be black because if a black person transitioned, they would still be discriminated against. Which draws a parallel in that one respect.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
15. There is no parallel.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:42 PM
Jun 2015

That white lady cannot transition to black, that's racist. I cannot transition to white and I'm far whiter than she is black. So no. It's racist to say it's okay for a white lady to be black just cause sye says so, but a black lady cannot do the same thing. We do not accept her as black and we will not unyil white folks start accepting anyone with any bit of white in them as white. It's racist white privilege bullshit otherwise.

prayin4rain

(2,065 posts)
16. I don't know what you mean when you say
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:45 PM
Jun 2015

white people wouldn't accept you. If a black lady told me she was white, I would certainly accept that. I'd love to have ya!

Do you mean it wouldn't stop people like racist police officers from discriminating against you on sight?

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
17. It wouldn't stop any of the discrimination in any way.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:51 PM
Jun 2015

I'd just be saying some shit that people would give me the side eye for. Would not stop me from getting pulled over, followed in the store, talked to like I'm stupid, harassed by racists, put into catagories. It would not work.
I am what I am. I always will be and so will she.

prayin4rain

(2,065 posts)
18. It seems like
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 10:00 PM
Jun 2015

in a certain sense we're continuing to let racists rule the day when we continue to cling to the labels that were invented by those exact racists.

Somebody made a post that said that races were invented for the purpose of stealing and subjugating certain people. If that's true, we should abandon the concept altogether. We should petition government to stop with the little check boxes and stop divving our selves up to that detail.

It would take time, but I think eventually the concept of race could fade back into obscurity. Other than how you and I are treated by some people in society, I don't think there's any meaningful difference between us. So, let's try to make them stop telling us that there are. I may be shorter, your skin may be darker, I may be more prone to depression, you may have a better sense of humor. But taxonomically, we should be considered the same.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
19. It would be nice if we could do it that way, but this is the reality we live in.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 10:06 PM
Jun 2015

Our history here in this nation is so steeped in racism that we would have to form an entirely new government to get rid of the racism this nation was founded upon. And it would still probably not work.

prayin4rain

(2,065 posts)
21. That may be the damn miserable truth.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 10:19 PM
Jun 2015

But, I think fighting racism by fighting the concept of race itself might work. We made it all up. The colonials who made it up are the liars. I think we should do our best to stop participating in this mass centuries long delusion of race. Melanin does not make a subsect of human beings. I wish we could start over and never introduce the BS idea. Maybe it's too late, but maybe not.

prayin4rain

(2,065 posts)
23. I realize that
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 10:34 PM
Jun 2015

I'm kind of an overly idealistic lunatic. Thanks for listening without pointing it out.

I enjoy your posts and I do respect your thoughts and feelings on the Dolezal situation.

prayin4rain

(2,065 posts)
28. You TOTALLY are!
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 10:48 PM
Jun 2015

You're always out sharing your badass ideas and standing up against the assholes. Believe me, you really are!

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
20. The only way to give up on the concept of race
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 10:08 PM
Jun 2015

is to stop discrimination. You can't just ignore a label that has so much power. People are killed over this. People are unable to get jobs over this. It's a serious thing.

prayin4rain

(2,065 posts)
22. Yeah, that's true
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 10:27 PM
Jun 2015

And it's hard to monitor the murderers and the discriminators without a system to track them and their misdeeds.

I do realize that it's a little simplistic to say ...hey, if the concept of race is the problem, poof, let's not have that concept anymore.

But starting a serious, far-reaching conversation pointing out that it was made up, could start the ball rolling.

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