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Near miss: two planes in Chicago started to take off on crossed runways at the same time. (Original Post) applegrove Jun 2015 OP
Oops Renew Deal Jun 2015 #1
Holy Shite! malaise Jun 2015 #2
That's a near hit! Paulie Jun 2015 #3
Sounds like the Delta pilot mis-heard the call sign truebluegreen Jun 2015 #4
No kidding. That is a mistake I would make if I wasn't paying attention. applegrove Jun 2015 #5
Delta and United don't sound that much alike Major Nikon Jun 2015 #6
I get all of that. truebluegreen Jun 2015 #7
Chicago Midway is not a really busy airport Major Nikon Jun 2015 #8
I am not trying to be argumentative truebluegreen Jun 2015 #9
I don't see a workable way to implement your proposal Major Nikon Jun 2015 #10
 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
4. Sounds like the Delta pilot mis-heard the call sign
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:30 PM
Jun 2015

for the flight numbers (3828 and 1328)...maybe someone should think twice about having two such similar call signs also be so close in time of departure.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
6. Delta and United don't sound that much alike
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 10:00 PM
Jun 2015

Smart pilots also readback clearances to insure such mistakes don't happen. The call signs are based on the airlines internally generated flight numbers.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
7. I get all of that.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:02 PM
Jun 2015

It still seems to me that the Delta pilot misheard...maybe a moment's inattention, maybe the transmission was partly stepped on. Still think the flight numbers should be changed.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
8. Chicago Midway is not a really busy airport
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:50 PM
Jun 2015

At someplace like O'Hare, Atlanta, or DFW it would not be uncommon at all for many planes to have even more similar callsigns throughout the course of a day.

Most (if not all) major airlines have internal policies that require pilots to readback instructions. I'm not sure what was going on with the United flight, but it sounds as if they just blew it and fortunately ATC caught their mistake.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
9. I am not trying to be argumentative
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:55 PM
Jun 2015

but "similar callsigns throughout the course of a day" is not the same thing as similar callsigns for flights that are departing--in this case literally!--simultaneously. It amounts to a quibble, in the grand scheme of things, but maybe it contributed to this near disaster.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
10. I don't see a workable way to implement your proposal
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 12:10 AM
Jun 2015

For one thing, the actual flight numbers are not assigned by the FAA, but rather by the airlines themselves. There's also no way to accurately predict that far in advance when two aircraft from two different airlines would be simultaneously departing. Aircraft simply file proposed times for takeoff, but the actual times can and do vary by as much as hours on either side.

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