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http://www.rawstory.com/2014/10/sc-governor-defends-confederate-flag-at-statehouse-not-a-single-ceo-has-complained/
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/18/1394189/-Breaking-At-Least-8-Dead-in-Charleston-SC-Shooting#20150617214728
UPDATED TO INCLUDE THIS PIC of Dylann Roof accused shooter & his car with "special" plates:
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Cue the NRA to hold their next national convention there.
Atman
(31,464 posts)Just sayin'.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Heh...
Atman
(31,464 posts)They'd have to have a cutting license first, and go through a Gordon Ramsey training course. And a background check by the CIA (Culinary Institute of America).
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(70,322 posts)Brandon Friedman
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In October, Gov. Nikki Haley defended flying the Confederate flag outside the South Carolina statehouse. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/nikki-haley-confederate-flag-ceos #Charleston
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Jason Howerton ?@jason_howerton 8h8 hours ago
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@BFriedmanDC do you have a statement explaining this tweet?
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Brandon Friedman @BFriedmanDC
In October, Gov. Nikki Haley defended flying the Confederate flag outside the South Carolina statehouse. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/nikki-haley-confederate-flag-ceos #Charleston
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Brandon Friedman ?@BFriedmanDC 7h7 hours ago
@jason_howerton My bio is updated. Please correct your story accordingly.
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Jason Howerton ?@jason_howerton 7h7 hours ago
@BFriedmanDC when did you leave admin?
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Brandon Friedman ?@BFriedmanDC 7h7 hours ago
@jason_howerton Last day was June 4.
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Jason Howerton ?@jason_howerton 7h7 hours ago
@BFriedmanDC thanks for the clarification
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David Martosko ?@dmartosko 7h7 hours ago
@BFriedmanDC this is relevant. Not.
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Dana Loesch ?@DLoesch 8h8 hours ago
WTF? @BFriedmanDC How does this help? Are you accusing Nikki Haley? Absolutely classless.
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Ken Valliere ?@KenValliere 8h8 hours ago
@DLoesch @BFriedmanDC what does a flag have to do with a homicidal psychopath? #idiot
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Thomas ?@ThomasOfKC 8h8 hours ago
@KenValliere @DLoesch @BFriedmanDC Friedman they haven't even conducted autopsies and you are exploiting these deaths for political gains
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Kafir the Infidel ?@DWKafir 28m28 minutes ago
@ThomasOfKC @KenValliere @DLoesch @BFriedmanDC Yeah, that's the liberal asshat way. Never waste a crisis...
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Game of Life ?@TheGameOfLife 8h8 hours ago
@BFriedmanDC @kindcutesteve yeah lets keep the yahoos keyed up
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Maggy ?@Maggyw519 8h8 hours ago
@TheGameOfLife @BFriedmanDC @kindcutesteve excuse me?
This matters. Police chief called it a hate crime.
Shame on you.
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Christopher Guzman ?@Papa_Guz 8h8 hours ago
When is murder not a hate crime? @Maggyw519 @TheGameOfLife @BFriedmanDC @kindcutesteve
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Maggy ?@Maggyw519 8h8 hours ago
@Papa_Guz @TheGameOfLife @BFriedmanDC @kindcutesteve a hate crime has as its motivation HATRED of a GROUP not an individual.
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Christopher Guzman ?@Papa_Guz 7h7 hours ago
So some murders aren't hate? Only the important ones? @Maggyw519 @TheGameOfLife @BFriedmanDC @kindcutesteve
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Maggy ?@Maggyw519 7h7 hours ago
@Papa_Guz @TheGameOfLife @BFriedmanDC @kindcutesteve read my definition again.
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Trey Garrison ?@TreyGarrisonHW 8h8 hours ago
@BFriedmanDC As well she should have.
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Christopher Guzman ?@Papa_Guz 7h7 hours ago
White liberal man inciting riots?->>>>@BFriedmanDC must hate Indian women huh?
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TangoFoxtrot ?@TFinn82 6h6 hours ago
Dead people make great partisan opportunities. @Papa_Guz @DocWashburn @BFriedmanDC
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AuntPatsy
(9,904 posts)personal beliefs they so highly publicized normally...
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Now get out of your denial that you and yours are the cause of it.
GeorgeGist
(25,324 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)That's because they are made in China.
You'd think SC wouldn't want to fly a TN confederate flag..... being about heritage and all.
Seriously, since SC was the 1st state to secede, and the Civil War was a really big deal, I actually can see that they might what to show such an important part of their history. Not with shame or with honor... but just as history. But since they cannot even be bothered to fly an historically appropriate flag, and instead they fly what became a symbol of the KKK, I don't think the "heritage" they want to honor is the Civil War exactly. More like Jim Crow.
fbc
(1,668 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)And that's not much.
CanonRay
(14,119 posts)It's pretty damn obvious right now.
calimary
(81,518 posts)Sigh...
So now we have THREE killers on the loose. Fabulous. UPDATE - it appears this suspect, the young one, Dylann Roof, has now been caught.
Um - hey, America, especially all of you who think blacks are the big menace here - dare I remind - all three of 'em are white guys.
What is particularly agonizing for me is - this Dylann Storm Roof kid is a KID. Isn't he 21? He's TWENTY-ONE! SHIT.
Just ... shit.
marble falls
(57,315 posts)clueless leaders who pander to the right ......
I know the flag didn't do it. But use of that flag as symbol of "better" time does kill.
calimary
(81,518 posts)It just seems like a big fat in-yer-face, to me. The Confederacy is DEAD (or - it's SUPPOSED to be dead). They LOST. They were DEFEATED. They SURRENDERED. Can't we call it OVER, FINALLY? WHY are we still hailing and saluting and cherishing that obscenity of a flag? WHY is THAT piece of filth actually allowed to hang on high, on display, in South Carolina? (Or ANYWHERE ELSE in public, for that matter!) All it does is validate and reinforce those horrid, racist, anti-social, awful past realities - and it won't let them stay buried in the past. It won't let them start to age out. It won't let that shit start to fade AWAY. It makes sure the very symbol of that wretched vile mindset stays current. Right In Yer FACE. It strikes me almost like a reminder of a very bizarro, utterly hideous "keep hope alive" type of thing. Otherwise why would they cling to it and keep it alive like that? It's not just that they can't get over it, it's that they actively WON'T get over it. They refuse.
I wish we could banish that flag once and for all. It's an abomination. Can't we take that damn thing down already??????
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WHY is THAT piece of filth actually allowed to hang on high, on display, in South Carolina? (Or ANYWHERE ELSE in public, for that matter!)
Ilsa
(61,698 posts)Banning the nazi shit.
calimary
(81,518 posts)Almost as though we're proud of 'em, 'eh?
Ilsa
(61,698 posts)Instead of letting it lapse into oblivion.
We learn nothing from others.
Lilith Rising
(184 posts)Once I drove by an elementary school out in the Georgia sticks that was flying that thing. I died a little.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,771 posts)maindawg
(1,151 posts)That thing is a KKK flag. Its the call to arms for the bigoted. Worse we stand by while children are learning the same bad lessons that have been in existence for 400 years. The same hate. Its not new. We need to get rid of that ugly racist flag. Shame that thing out of existence.
calimary
(81,518 posts)GET THE FUCK OVER IT already.
PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)"Not a single CEO has complained". Seriously?
Wtf?
Edit: Ugh, she did. Just saw post #7. Disgusting.
calimary
(81,518 posts)If they're okay with it, then what's the problem, 'eh?
Well, that's your problem, right there.
Sancho
(9,070 posts)Nikki Haley Supports Guns Policy Where No Permit Or Training Is Necessary
Shortly after signing a bill that allows gun owners to carry concealed weapons into restaurants and bars under certain circumstances, South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley (R) revealed her support for another change in policy.
The State reported Tuesday that Haley is backing the Constitutional Carry Act -- a bill currently in South Carolina's state Senate -- which would cut current rules on permits and training for those wishing to carry a gun.
Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, an advocacy group formed in response to the school shooting in Newtown, Conn., has been active in trying to counter changes of this nature. South Carolina chapter leader Erin Dando told HuffPost that her group has kept its focus on educating people about what the new legislation means for their safety.
"Most business and bar owners don't even know that there has been a drastic change in state policy," Dando said. "We are telling them that they still have the right to ban concealed firearms."
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(54,770 posts)Ilsa
(61,698 posts)raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)Lot more than I can say for most corporate lapdogs.
packman
(16,296 posts)is blue with a palm tree and a crescent moon. According to article cited below was the flag SC used during the Civil War.
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BUT- in reading the article, it seems that the Confed. battle flag
"... the flag authorized to be flown at a designated location on the grounds of the Capitol Complex is the South Carolina Infantry Battle Flag of the Confederate States of America [the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia (General Robert E. Lee's Army) the South Carolina, Georgia, Florida Department "
So, it appears, SC has a two flags split personality - one the state flag, the other the Confed. flag which flies over the Capitol Complex. Wonder if this is common in other states?
http://www.netstate.com/states/symb/flags/sc_flag.htm
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)calimary
(81,518 posts)packman
(16,296 posts)Ilsa
(61,698 posts)Deserves its own thread so we can Rec it to heaven and hell.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Ilsa
(61,698 posts)maybe my brain is too tired to remember it.
Nay
(12,051 posts)padfun
(1,788 posts)in the Civil war. No different than flying the rising sun (Japan) or the swastika flags. They were the enemy and killed 600,000 of our American soldiers.
mountain grammy
(26,656 posts)the war on Christianity continues......
Boomerproud
(7,968 posts)The rest of us, however, get it.
Separation
(1,975 posts)Just saw on the news that the courts struck down that denying a Conferdate styled licence tag does not restrict free speech. Even with all the darkness out there, there is still a glimmer of light. No matter how small.
Ilsa
(61,698 posts)Or they'll fly the flag off the back of their truck.
But it isnt going to be State sanctioned.
Ilsa
(61,698 posts)Providing any support for symbols of hatred or harping against legal medical procedures. The state shouldn't be offering anti-choice license plates either.
yuiyoshida
(41,867 posts)K&R
Rex
(65,616 posts)Is about the exact same thing, just worded different. "We do know..." is a statement of fact. She purposely used those words to stay away from having to discuss the issue of racism in her state.
Pathetic.
tclambert
(11,087 posts)"You have to go. You rape our women, and youre taking over our country."
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/charleston-church-gunman-sat-hour-attack-article-1.2262222
If he makes racist statements, maybe racism motivated him. Understand now, Governor Haley?
usaf-vet
(6,215 posts)In 1966 the Confederate flag flew over the American flag on the capitol.
MellowDem
(5,018 posts)They'll have their heads conveniently planted up their own backsides and never know how their own ideology plays a part, deliberate ignorance is bliss.
kimbutgar
(21,215 posts)For a woman who is anti government she is praising government workers! I wanted to reach inside the TV set and slap this jerk. (I really want to call her the word that rhymes with witch but I know that word is a no-no on DU).
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)No governor in the south would come right out and blame racists for being racist. We get all this "Gosh, we can't imagine..." nonsense because the governor does not want to admit she is in charge of a state with a significant population of people poisoned by racial hatred. Oh, gosh, no. They fly that rebel flag because they want to honor their ancestors, blah, blah, blah...
Rhiannon12866
(206,157 posts)And just played the statement from her speech...