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kpete

(72,024 posts)
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 09:00 AM Jun 2015

Governor who flies Confederate flag at SC capitol says "we’ll never understand what motivates"

Will South Carolina fly its Confederate flag at half-mast?



SC governor defends Confederate flag at Statehouse: Not ‘a single CEO’ has complained



http://www.rawstory.com/2014/10/sc-governor-defends-confederate-flag-at-statehouse-not-a-single-ceo-has-complained/

Wed Jun 17, 2015 at 9:47 PM PT: South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley is similarly mystified about why this might have happened. "While we do not yet know all of the details, we do know that we’ll never understand what motivates anyone to enter one of our places of worship and take the life of another."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/18/1394189/-Breaking-At-Least-8-Dead-in-Charleston-SC-Shooting#20150617214728


UPDATED TO INCLUDE THIS PIC of Dylann Roof accused shooter & his car with "special" plates:
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Governor who flies Confederate flag at SC capitol says "we’ll never understand what motivates" (Original Post) kpete Jun 2015 OP
That thinking and the availability of guns motivates them to act. onehandle Jun 2015 #1
He probably wouldn't have gotten too far if he tried to mow them down with a knife. Atman Jun 2015 #2
I don't understand you knife nuts who come to DU to push your selfish agenda on us. onehandle Jun 2015 #6
When knives are outlawed only kitchens will have knives. Atman Jun 2015 #13
YAY! vlakitti Jun 2015 #52
Some tweets about this issue--Haley and flying the Conf flag... riversedge Jun 2015 #3
Wish they would be called out for these massive inconsistencies concerning AuntPatsy Jun 2015 #4
We do know what motivates people to gun down church goers, Nikki, bigotry! Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #5
The truth ... GeorgeGist Jun 2015 #7
not had one conversation with a single CEO about the confederate flag AlbertCat Jun 2015 #15
Interesting post... good point fbc Jun 2015 #18
Nikki, you only understand what your owners tell you to understand. hobbit709 Jun 2015 #8
I think it will prove to be very easy to understand what motivated this shooter. CanonRay Jun 2015 #9
No freakin' shit. Sure seems obvious to me. calimary Jun 2015 #22
Its pretty clear tome: rebel flags, racist hate speech, over availability of guns, no mental health, marble falls Jun 2015 #10
I hate that flag. calimary Jun 2015 #25
The post-WWII Germans had the right idea of Ilsa Jun 2015 #35
But WE have to keep OUR eyesores out in public for everyone to see. calimary Jun 2015 #36
Oh yeah. Have to keep the symbols of hatred available Ilsa Jun 2015 #37
I hear you. Lilith Rising Jun 2015 #38
+ about a million for a truly righteous rant! Dark n Stormy Knight Jun 2015 #50
There needs to be a huge issue made over that flag maindawg Jun 2015 #11
It's a symbol of hate - and the deliberate attempt to keep it from going away is very telling. calimary Jun 2015 #40
Wow, did she really say that? PotatoChip Jun 2015 #12
Yeah. What does that tell you? Only the CEOs count. calimary Jun 2015 #26
Nikki Haley is a gun nut... Sancho Jun 2015 #14
Racists and haters usually are attracted to guns. Hoyt Jun 2015 #29
and that fucking flag. nt Ilsa Jun 2015 #31
Exactly. Hoyt Jun 2015 #44
What CEO's care about is what is most important. Hey, at least she is honest. raouldukelives Jun 2015 #16
I'm confused - the SC state flag packman Jun 2015 #17
... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #19
Amen. calimary Jun 2015 #28
And another Amen packman Jun 2015 #32
As I said in EarlG's thread, your post Ilsa Jun 2015 #33
It's not my artwork and it's been posted here in the past. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #39
I guess I missed it before or Ilsa Jun 2015 #42
OMG, I love that flag! It's perfectly appropriate! nt Nay Jun 2015 #45
That's an insult to those who fought padfun Jun 2015 #20
But it's all ok because Haley and family are praying for the victims.. mountain grammy Jun 2015 #21
Pray away Nikki. You understand zilch. Boomerproud Jun 2015 #23
Small victory in Tx though. Separation Jun 2015 #24
They can just window-screen it onto the back window of the PU. Ilsa Jun 2015 #34
True. Separation Jun 2015 #48
Exactly. I'm sick of any state, local, or federal govt Ilsa Jun 2015 #49
#50 to rec this! yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #27
Interesting choice of words, "We will purposely never try and understand why we are racists." Rex Jun 2015 #30
"We'll never understand"? Why not listen to what he said as he shot people. tclambert Jun 2015 #41
I was stationed in SC in the mid 1960s. usaf-vet Jun 2015 #43
She and other conservatives never will... MellowDem Jun 2015 #46
I just saw her TV thanking the law enforcement for their help in this matter kimbutgar Jun 2015 #47
Oh, she understands HassleCat Jun 2015 #51
Watching the repeat of Chris Hayes right now and he's talking about this right now Rhiannon12866 Jun 2015 #53

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
1. That thinking and the availability of guns motivates them to act.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 09:01 AM
Jun 2015

Cue the NRA to hold their next national convention there.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
13. When knives are outlawed only kitchens will have knives.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 09:56 AM
Jun 2015

They'd have to have a cutting license first, and go through a Gordon Ramsey training course. And a background check by the CIA (Culinary Institute of America).

riversedge

(70,322 posts)
3. Some tweets about this issue--Haley and flying the Conf flag...
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 09:11 AM
Jun 2015



Brandon Friedman
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In October, Gov. Nikki Haley defended flying the Confederate flag outside the South Carolina statehouse. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/nikki-haley-confederate-flag-ceos … #Charleston

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Jason Howerton ?@jason_howerton 8h8 hours ago

Jason Howerton retweeted Brandon Friedman

@BFriedmanDC do you have a statement explaining this tweet?

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Brandon Friedman @BFriedmanDC
In October, Gov. Nikki Haley defended flying the Confederate flag outside the South Carolina statehouse. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/nikki-haley-confederate-flag-ceos … #Charleston
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Brandon Friedman ?@BFriedmanDC 7h7 hours ago

@jason_howerton My bio is updated. Please correct your story accordingly.
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Jason Howerton ?@jason_howerton 7h7 hours ago

@BFriedmanDC when did you leave admin?
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Brandon Friedman ?@BFriedmanDC 7h7 hours ago

@jason_howerton Last day was June 4.
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Jason Howerton ?@jason_howerton 7h7 hours ago

@BFriedmanDC thanks for the clarification
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David Martosko ?@dmartosko 7h7 hours ago

@BFriedmanDC this is relevant. Not.
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Dana Loesch ?@DLoesch 8h8 hours ago

WTF? @BFriedmanDC How does this help? Are you accusing Nikki Haley? Absolutely classless.
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Ken Valliere ?@KenValliere 8h8 hours ago

@DLoesch @BFriedmanDC what does a flag have to do with a homicidal psychopath? #idiot
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Thomas ?@ThomasOfKC 8h8 hours ago

@KenValliere @DLoesch @BFriedmanDC Friedman they haven't even conducted autopsies and you are exploiting these deaths for political gains
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Kafir the Infidel ?@DWKafir 28m28 minutes ago

@ThomasOfKC @KenValliere @DLoesch @BFriedmanDC Yeah, that's the liberal asshat way. Never waste a crisis...
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Game of Life ?@TheGameOfLife 8h8 hours ago

@BFriedmanDC @kindcutesteve yeah lets keep the yahoos keyed up
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Maggy ?@Maggyw519 8h8 hours ago

@TheGameOfLife @BFriedmanDC @kindcutesteve excuse me?
This matters. Police chief called it a hate crime.
Shame on you.
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Christopher Guzman ?@Papa_Guz 8h8 hours ago

When is murder not a hate crime? @Maggyw519 @TheGameOfLife @BFriedmanDC @kindcutesteve
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Maggy ?@Maggyw519 8h8 hours ago

@Papa_Guz @TheGameOfLife @BFriedmanDC @kindcutesteve a hate crime has as its motivation HATRED of a GROUP not an individual.
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Christopher Guzman ?@Papa_Guz 7h7 hours ago

So some murders aren't hate? Only the important ones? @Maggyw519 @TheGameOfLife @BFriedmanDC @kindcutesteve
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Maggy ?@Maggyw519 7h7 hours ago

@Papa_Guz @TheGameOfLife @BFriedmanDC @kindcutesteve read my definition again.
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Trey Garrison ?@TreyGarrisonHW 8h8 hours ago

@BFriedmanDC As well she should have.
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Christopher Guzman ?@Papa_Guz 7h7 hours ago

White liberal man inciting riots?->>>>@BFriedmanDC must hate Indian women huh?
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TangoFoxtrot ?@TFinn82 6h6 hours ago

Dead people make great partisan opportunities. @Papa_Guz @DocWashburn @BFriedmanDC
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AuntPatsy

(9,904 posts)
4. Wish they would be called out for these massive inconsistencies concerning
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 09:19 AM
Jun 2015

personal beliefs they so highly publicized normally...

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
5. We do know what motivates people to gun down church goers, Nikki, bigotry!
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 09:32 AM
Jun 2015

Now get out of your denial that you and yours are the cause of it.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
15. not had one conversation with a single CEO about the confederate flag
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 10:27 AM
Jun 2015

That's because they are made in China.


You'd think SC wouldn't want to fly a TN confederate flag..... being about heritage and all.

Seriously, since SC was the 1st state to secede, and the Civil War was a really big deal, I actually can see that they might what to show such an important part of their history. Not with shame or with honor... but just as history. But since they cannot even be bothered to fly an historically appropriate flag, and instead they fly what became a symbol of the KKK, I don't think the "heritage" they want to honor is the Civil War exactly. More like Jim Crow.

CanonRay

(14,119 posts)
9. I think it will prove to be very easy to understand what motivated this shooter.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 09:48 AM
Jun 2015

It's pretty damn obvious right now.

calimary

(81,518 posts)
22. No freakin' shit. Sure seems obvious to me.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 10:58 AM
Jun 2015

Sigh...

So now we have THREE killers on the loose. Fabulous. UPDATE - it appears this suspect, the young one, Dylann Roof, has now been caught.

Um - hey, America, especially all of you who think blacks are the big menace here - dare I remind - all three of 'em are white guys.

What is particularly agonizing for me is - this Dylann Storm Roof kid is a KID. Isn't he 21? He's TWENTY-ONE! SHIT.

Just ... shit.

marble falls

(57,315 posts)
10. Its pretty clear tome: rebel flags, racist hate speech, over availability of guns, no mental health,
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 09:48 AM
Jun 2015

clueless leaders who pander to the right ......


I know the flag didn't do it. But use of that flag as symbol of "better" time does kill.

calimary

(81,518 posts)
25. I hate that flag.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 11:09 AM
Jun 2015

It just seems like a big fat in-yer-face, to me. The Confederacy is DEAD (or - it's SUPPOSED to be dead). They LOST. They were DEFEATED. They SURRENDERED. Can't we call it OVER, FINALLY? WHY are we still hailing and saluting and cherishing that obscenity of a flag? WHY is THAT piece of filth actually allowed to hang on high, on display, in South Carolina? (Or ANYWHERE ELSE in public, for that matter!) All it does is validate and reinforce those horrid, racist, anti-social, awful past realities - and it won't let them stay buried in the past. It won't let them start to age out. It won't let that shit start to fade AWAY. It makes sure the very symbol of that wretched vile mindset stays current. Right In Yer FACE. It strikes me almost like a reminder of a very bizarro, utterly hideous "keep hope alive" type of thing. Otherwise why would they cling to it and keep it alive like that? It's not just that they can't get over it, it's that they actively WON'T get over it. They refuse.

I wish we could banish that flag once and for all. It's an abomination. Can't we take that damn thing down already??????


Edited to add -

WHY is THAT piece of filth actually allowed to hang on high, on display, in South Carolina? (Or ANYWHERE ELSE in public, for that matter!)

calimary

(81,518 posts)
36. But WE have to keep OUR eyesores out in public for everyone to see.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 11:25 AM
Jun 2015

Almost as though we're proud of 'em, 'eh?

Ilsa

(61,698 posts)
37. Oh yeah. Have to keep the symbols of hatred available
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 11:26 AM
Jun 2015

Instead of letting it lapse into oblivion.

We learn nothing from others.

Lilith Rising

(184 posts)
38. I hear you.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 11:27 AM
Jun 2015

Once I drove by an elementary school out in the Georgia sticks that was flying that thing. I died a little.

 

maindawg

(1,151 posts)
11. There needs to be a huge issue made over that flag
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 09:50 AM
Jun 2015

That thing is a KKK flag. Its the call to arms for the bigoted. Worse we stand by while children are learning the same bad lessons that have been in existence for 400 years. The same hate. Its not new. We need to get rid of that ugly racist flag. Shame that thing out of existence.

calimary

(81,518 posts)
40. It's a symbol of hate - and the deliberate attempt to keep it from going away is very telling.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 11:34 AM
Jun 2015

GET THE FUCK OVER IT already.

PotatoChip

(3,186 posts)
12. Wow, did she really say that?
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 09:53 AM
Jun 2015

"Not a single CEO has complained". Seriously?

Wtf?

Edit: Ugh, she did. Just saw post #7. Disgusting.

calimary

(81,518 posts)
26. Yeah. What does that tell you? Only the CEOs count.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 11:10 AM
Jun 2015

If they're okay with it, then what's the problem, 'eh?

Well, that's your problem, right there.

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
14. Nikki Haley is a gun nut...
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 10:15 AM
Jun 2015
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/12/nikki-haley-guns_n_4773820.html

Nikki Haley Supports Guns Policy Where No Permit Or Training Is Necessary

Shortly after signing a bill that allows gun owners to carry concealed weapons into restaurants and bars under certain circumstances, South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley (R) revealed her support for another change in policy.

The State reported Tuesday that Haley is backing the Constitutional Carry Act -- a bill currently in South Carolina's state Senate -- which would cut current rules on permits and training for those wishing to carry a gun.

Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, an advocacy group formed in response to the school shooting in Newtown, Conn., has been active in trying to counter changes of this nature. South Carolina chapter leader Erin Dando told HuffPost that her group has kept its focus on educating people about what the new legislation means for their safety.

"Most business and bar owners don't even know that there has been a drastic change in state policy," Dando said. "We are telling them that they still have the right to ban concealed firearms."

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
16. What CEO's care about is what is most important. Hey, at least she is honest.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 10:34 AM
Jun 2015

Lot more than I can say for most corporate lapdogs.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
17. I'm confused - the SC state flag
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 10:35 AM
Jun 2015

is blue with a palm tree and a crescent moon. According to article cited below was the flag SC used during the Civil War.

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BUT- in reading the article, it seems that the Confed. battle flag

"... the flag authorized to be flown at a designated location on the grounds of the Capitol Complex is the South Carolina Infantry Battle Flag of the Confederate States of America [the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia (General Robert E. Lee's Army) the South Carolina, Georgia, Florida Department "

So, it appears, SC has a two flags split personality - one the state flag, the other the Confed. flag which flies over the Capitol Complex. Wonder if this is common in other states?

http://www.netstate.com/states/symb/flags/sc_flag.htm

padfun

(1,788 posts)
20. That's an insult to those who fought
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 10:55 AM
Jun 2015

in the Civil war. No different than flying the rising sun (Japan) or the swastika flags. They were the enemy and killed 600,000 of our American soldiers.

mountain grammy

(26,656 posts)
21. But it's all ok because Haley and family are praying for the victims..
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 10:56 AM
Jun 2015

the war on Christianity continues......

Separation

(1,975 posts)
24. Small victory in Tx though.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 11:03 AM
Jun 2015

Just saw on the news that the courts struck down that denying a Conferdate styled licence tag does not restrict free speech. Even with all the darkness out there, there is still a glimmer of light. No matter how small.

Ilsa

(61,698 posts)
34. They can just window-screen it onto the back window of the PU.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 11:21 AM
Jun 2015

Or they'll fly the flag off the back of their truck.

Ilsa

(61,698 posts)
49. Exactly. I'm sick of any state, local, or federal govt
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 02:57 PM
Jun 2015

Providing any support for symbols of hatred or harping against legal medical procedures. The state shouldn't be offering anti-choice license plates either.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
30. Interesting choice of words, "We will purposely never try and understand why we are racists."
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 11:16 AM
Jun 2015

Is about the exact same thing, just worded different. "We do know..." is a statement of fact. She purposely used those words to stay away from having to discuss the issue of racism in her state.

Pathetic.

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
41. "We'll never understand"? Why not listen to what he said as he shot people.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 11:38 AM
Jun 2015

"You have to go. You rape our women, and you’re taking over our country."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/charleston-church-gunman-sat-hour-attack-article-1.2262222

If he makes racist statements, maybe racism motivated him. Understand now, Governor Haley?

usaf-vet

(6,215 posts)
43. I was stationed in SC in the mid 1960s.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 11:48 AM
Jun 2015

In 1966 the Confederate flag flew over the American flag on the capitol.

MellowDem

(5,018 posts)
46. She and other conservatives never will...
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 11:55 AM
Jun 2015

They'll have their heads conveniently planted up their own backsides and never know how their own ideology plays a part, deliberate ignorance is bliss.

kimbutgar

(21,215 posts)
47. I just saw her TV thanking the law enforcement for their help in this matter
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 12:04 PM
Jun 2015

For a woman who is anti government she is praising government workers! I wanted to reach inside the TV set and slap this jerk. (I really want to call her the word that rhymes with witch but I know that word is a no-no on DU).

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
51. Oh, she understands
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 05:29 PM
Jun 2015

No governor in the south would come right out and blame racists for being racist. We get all this "Gosh, we can't imagine..." nonsense because the governor does not want to admit she is in charge of a state with a significant population of people poisoned by racial hatred. Oh, gosh, no. They fly that rebel flag because they want to honor their ancestors, blah, blah, blah...

Rhiannon12866

(206,157 posts)
53. Watching the repeat of Chris Hayes right now and he's talking about this right now
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 03:41 AM
Jun 2015

And just played the statement from her speech...

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