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niyad

(113,589 posts)
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 11:49 AM Jun 2015

Baptists Find Neat Loophole To Fire Janitors Who Do Gay Stuff

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Baptists Find Neat Loophole To Fire Janitors Who Do Gay Stuff



There’s a certain kind of rightwing creativity that comes into play when government tries to make bigots not behave like complete bigots to everyone, like when cities all over Virginia just shut down their school systems rather than integrate, or more recently, when several counties in Florida announced that they just won’t marry anyone at their courthouses, straight or gay, so it’s equal, all right? Well, they’re at it again. The Southern Baptists have written a manual explaining to churches how they can get away with all the discriminating they want: just make everyone who works for you a minister, and then you can fire them without worrying about troublesome lawsuits!

You see, the Southern Baptist Convention simply wants to be free of the tyranny of “cultural harassment, intimidation, and even legal punishment for those whose consciences are held captive to the Scripture’s teaching on God’s purpose for marriage and sexuality,” in the words of the SBC’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission president Russell Moore. So to protect churches from burdensome antidiscrimination laws that say you can’t fire someone just for being gay, the SBC and the anti-gay legal eagles of the Alliance Defending Freedom (every day is Backwards Day for fundamentalist bigots) have collaborated on a handy manual called Protecting Your Ministry From Sexual Orientation / Gender Identity Lawsuits, available as a free download. It’s just packed with good advice about having formal membership policies and admissions procedures for church schools that will screen out the Wrong Sort of Parents (who do it in the butt), so as to “interrupt or terminate the admissions process if the school receives an application evidencing a lifestyle or belief system inconsistent with the school’s religious beliefs or mission.”

The genius recommendation to make everybody a minister relies on a very selective reading of the 2012 Supreme Court decision in Hosanna-Tabor Evangelical Lutheran Church v. EEOC, which held that a church was free to fire a teacher with disabilities because she also had some ministerial duties, creating a carve-out from annoying distractions like the Americans with Disabilities Act and other civil rights laws. If the First Amendment really guarantees religious freedom, then churches need to be free to make whatever shitty hiring decisions they want when it comes to their ministers, and since the teacher did also do some ministerial work, she couldn’t sue for discrimination.

So Protecting Your Ministry seizes on the Hosanna-Tabor decision and urges churches to assign some “ministerial duties” to every employee possible, from receptionists to groundskeepers to janitors: Very clever! Require the church’s accountant to conduct an occasional Sunday School class on why the parable of the Talents justifies getting rich in the stock market, and WAH-LAH!, she’s now the Right Reverend Beancounter. As Think Progress explains, once this job-title Transubstantiation has taken place, “the janitor is now a ‘minister’ and the employer is free to fire that janitor because they are black, because they are gay, or because they are a woman.” But mostly because they’re gay, because most churches have resigned themselves to the inconvenient fact that blacks and women aren’t going away any time soon.

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SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
1. How astonishing that they admit it:
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 11:54 AM
Jun 2015
for those whose consciences are held captive to the Scripture’s teaching


Held captive. A complete inability to think independently, coupled with a complete absence of actual Christian charity or compassion.

This sort of thing is why I so dislike all organized religion. Yes, I know that not everyone is like this, and do doubt even among Baptists there are those who support marriage equality, but they don't seem to be speaking up very much.

niyad

(113,589 posts)
2. not just the baptists. many are silent about what is being claimed, and done, in the name of
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 11:57 AM
Jun 2015

their religious beliefs.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
3. Yes. I did not intend to point only at Baptists.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 12:00 PM
Jun 2015

I happen to personally know far too many Catholics who disagree on most of the fundamental things like abortion and birth control, and yet stay with the church, thinking naively that they can somehow change it from within. I've been known to point out that since they don't get to elect the Pope, they have absolutely no way of changing that church.

niyad

(113,589 posts)
4. I do not understand how people can be members of organizations that basically despise their
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 12:02 PM
Jun 2015

very existence.

no way to change these groups from within.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
5. I absolutely agree.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 03:21 PM
Jun 2015

I think the existential problem here is that most people are raised within some religion. Every religion teaches that you *must* believe in a higher authority, that there is a distinct limit on what you can accomplish yourself, and that it's not possible to be truly moral and good outside of the boundaries of religion. Some people stay with their childhood faith, some people convert to another faith, some people leave faith behind entirely.

It can be hard to go it alone, and if you grew up in certain religions, you may find it extremely difficult to have any sort of a life without that religion.

I am going to make the case that militant atheists actually recreate a lot of the structure of religion, especially the fierce requirement that you be militantly atheist. You may disagree.

I call myself simply a non believer, although truth be told I have a set of spiritual beliefs that work for me which I don't find at all necessary to explain to others. I will simply say that I am aware that those beliefs are largely non-rational. What to me is important is that I don't need a structure of some sort around me to bolster my beliefs, or to convince me that others are wrong. I do believe it is essential that we treat each other with dignity and respect, and if there's a point to this life, I think it is to help each other.

niyad

(113,589 posts)
6. you make some very good points. however, I know very few "militant" atheists. most of the
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 09:21 PM
Jun 2015

ones I know are totally uninterested in persuading others to their views.

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