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RandySF

(59,306 posts)
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 04:53 PM Jun 2015

Rand Paul: Shootings Like Charleston Can't Be 'Fixed By Government'

Presidential candidate Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) kept his comments on the shooting in Charleston, S.C. brief on Thursday, saying that the "sickness" in America that gives rise to such killings cannot be solved by government.

"What kind of person goes into a church and shoots nine people?" Paul said in the middle of his speech to the Faith & Freedom Coalition Policy Conference, broadcast by C-SPAN.

“There’s a sickness in our country,” he continued. “There’s something terribly wrong, but it isn’t going to be fixed by your government.”

"It's people straying away, it's people not understanding where salvation comes from," he added.


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/charleston-shooting-rand-paul-government

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Rand Paul: Shootings Like Charleston Can't Be 'Fixed By Government' (Original Post) RandySF Jun 2015 OP
Shut up Rand mcar Jun 2015 #1
Stfu, Rand BeyondGeography Jun 2015 #2
A mind like Rand's can't be fixed by any means . olddots Jun 2015 #3
Always pushing his garbage Atlas Shrugged dogma, I wish he would just STFU and sitdown. Rex Jun 2015 #4
So all of the godless European countries with no "salvation" and no mass shootings... DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2015 #5
Don't try to talk sense about religion. Religious talk has its own rules. Dark n Stormy Knight Jun 2015 #6
So if we just accept Jesus in our soul, and burn crosses on lawns. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2015 #7
Then why are you in the senate? Iliyah Jun 2015 #8
What a silly statement. deathrind Jun 2015 #9
Ban all guns! n/t PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #10
Ban all drugs bigwillq Jun 2015 #16
Dang! He must have run out of time gratuitous Jun 2015 #11
If I was God ... GeorgeGist Jun 2015 #12
God can't fix it either. GeorgeGist Jun 2015 #13
Epicurus explained it a couple of thousand years ago hifiguy Jun 2015 #22
they can not help themselves but to bring religion into everything Angry Dragon Jun 2015 #14
Therefore they can. Orsino Jun 2015 #15
Typical substance-free answer that we've come to expect from him Blue_Tires Jun 2015 #17
Why is he in government if he can't fix anything? Time to elect people that can do things Johonny Jun 2015 #18
Fuck Rand Paul. Fuck Ron Paul. ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2015 #19
He gets it half right then fucks it up. hifiguy Jun 2015 #20
He does have a point in one way.... davidn3600 Jun 2015 #21
Excellent observations. hifiguy Jun 2015 #23
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
4. Always pushing his garbage Atlas Shrugged dogma, I wish he would just STFU and sitdown.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 04:59 PM
Jun 2015

OF COURSE the government can fix the problem, but it would require looking at some ugly truths most people like to ignore.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
5. So all of the godless European countries with no "salvation" and no mass shootings...
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 04:59 PM
Jun 2015

I guess it's strictly a coincidence in Rand Paul's world that mass gun violence is an extreme rarity in these countries (C Hebdo & Norway notwithstanding).

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
7. So if we just accept Jesus in our soul, and burn crosses on lawns.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 05:13 PM
Jun 2015

all will be right with the world?

The apple did not fall far from the tree.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
8. Then why are you in the senate?
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 05:13 PM
Jun 2015

Why run for President? You just contradict yourself AND its your type of religion that fuels the hatred.

deathrind

(1,786 posts)
9. What a silly statement.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 05:17 PM
Jun 2015

That is equivalent if back in the 80's saying government can't do anything to solve the problem with DWI's,... we are just going to have to accept that people are going to drink and drive and hurt others.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
11. Dang! He must have run out of time
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 05:20 PM
Jun 2015

I was hoping to hear Sen. Paul's free market solution to this sickness. Who can make a buck off of stopping this sickness? Unless and until there's money to be made doing that, I guess we're just stuck eh Senator?

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
22. Epicurus explained it a couple of thousand years ago
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 07:06 PM
Jun 2015

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?"

- Epicurus

Johonny

(20,895 posts)
18. Why is he in government if he can't fix anything? Time to elect people that can do things
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 06:54 PM
Jun 2015

less Rand Pauls please.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
19. Fuck Rand Paul. Fuck Ron Paul.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 06:56 PM
Jun 2015

The last person I need to hear from today is that slimeball and his kook father.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
20. He gets it half right then fucks it up.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 07:04 PM
Jun 2015

There is nothing government can do about individually bigoted and hate-crazed people. Zip, zero, nada. That would require some sort of nightmare Philip K. Dick world where "precrimes" are detectable and may serve as the basis for arrest and, most likely, permanent "disappearance." No one wants to live in a dystopia like that.

What government can do is provide universal access to health care, including mental health, and it is to be hoped that the professionals in the mental health professions would be able to get the loonier and more dangerous ones into secure facilities, and yes, against their will if it's necessary. The government could also impose some sort of mental health requirements or meaningful investigations a priori for ownership of firearms. It is far easier these days to get a firearm than to purchase a house or drive a car. Something is profoundly upside-down about that to say the least.

And what the fuck kind of father gives a deeply disturbed kid a fucking GUN for a birthday present??!!?? That silly shit should be locked up with his son as an accessory before the fact

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
21. He does have a point in one way....
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 07:04 PM
Jun 2015

Can you pass a law that makes people stop being racist?

Sure you can do things to make incidents like this harder to commit with gun control and such. But can our government change the way Americans think? If someone out there hates black people or hates homosexuals or Muslims or whatever... I don't think there is anything the government can do that can change that mentality.

The cold, hard reality is the human race is not advanced enough to put this kind of thing behind us. What we were fighting in the 1960s is the same thing we are fighting today. The Civil Rights Act didn't stop racism. I don't know if any law can. America is a violent society. There is no two ways about that. We as a society have to find a way to convince change on that level...the societal level.

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