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Tab

(11,093 posts)
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 07:45 PM Jun 2015

If I could go back in time and kill someone

it'd be the dumbass who contaminated (poisoned) the Tylenol bottles back whenever it was (80's?). Even tonight I see the repercussions as I try to get my frickin' pill out of the "for my safety" blister pack that nobody without scissors or super-sharp fingernails are going to get the damned thing out. I use my little paring knife, or occasionally wine corkscrew (works really well!) to slice out the little buggers. Sometimes I practically give up. Sometimes I pretend my fingernails are enough, but usually that doesn't stand up to testing.

And this has nothing to do with "don't-steal-me" blister packs on the slightest little product thing, from batteries to flash drives. Electronics are the worst, but it's not restricted to them. Without scissors, forget it. Unfortunately, unlike the Tylenol thing, I can't really pin this on anyone, but boy would I like to.

Feeling snarky...

- Tab

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If I could go back in time and kill someone (Original Post) Tab Jun 2015 OP
I'd go with Hitler myself. KamaAina Jun 2015 #1
Yep. Adolf is the perennial #1 in that little thought experiment/poll. hifiguy Jun 2015 #4
Thing is, if you kill Stalin, we lose WWII KamaAina Jun 2015 #8
That's why you get Hitler first. hifiguy Jun 2015 #9
Though perhaps getting rid of Prescott Bush could have solved two of these problems... cascadiance Jun 2015 #12
Hmm. I can see that any number of troublesome birds hifiguy Jun 2015 #13
But you only get one. KamaAina Jun 2015 #63
But you might not have a rich Koch family polluting our political process today! cascadiance Jun 2015 #10
If this game is going to be played, Snobblevitch Jun 2015 #14
Marshal Zhukov did pretty well as it was. hifiguy Jun 2015 #17
But then again, if Stalin had not lived, Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #21
Very good point. hifiguy Jun 2015 #29
Or if you kill Hitler after 1941 FrodosPet Jun 2015 #39
Stalin's stupidity is the reason the Germans got to the gates of Moscow tabasco Jun 2015 #51
The tide turned after Zhukov started pursuing his own strategies hifiguy Jun 2015 #55
Bad idea Reter Jun 2015 #38
I wouldn't kill Hitler. If I could, I'd travel back in time to months before his birth . . . Journeyman Jun 2015 #54
And that Hitler would have never made it in politics. former9thward Jun 2015 #59
And you're interjecting a sense of reality into a discussion of time travel & "biological tinkering"?. . . Journeyman Jun 2015 #61
But without WWII my grandparents wouldn't have met at the dance for returning soldiers in 1945. Vattel Jun 2015 #66
How would you do it? azmom Jun 2015 #2
The person that invented that soft drink TAB bigwillq Jun 2015 #3
That weird petrochemical taste doesn't do it for you? hifiguy Jun 2015 #6
I wouldn't even wash down a tylenol with it. bigwillq Jun 2015 #7
I bet you read The Straight Dope Tab Jun 2015 #69
And you would be right. hifiguy Jun 2015 #71
The ones who invented all of those knockoffs of the good soft drinks. Jamastiene Jun 2015 #37
I won't take a tylenol madokie Jun 2015 #5
Because of that I switched to 840high Jun 2015 #11
Whatever happened to plain old aspirin? hifiguy Jun 2015 #16
I'm an aspirin guy myself madokie Jun 2015 #20
Kids can't use aspirin. And ibuprofen has been linked Ilsa Jun 2015 #23
Thanks for the info, llsa. hifiguy Jun 2015 #26
If you're older like me, there's no telling how many Ilsa Jun 2015 #31
I am old enough to remember when hifiguy Jun 2015 #33
They were orange flavored and you had to take a bunch of them if you Jamastiene Jun 2015 #47
I know some couldn't take aspirin - my mom couldn't - because it is an acid that can cause hifiguy Jun 2015 #52
Oh, I love spicy foods, but Jamastiene Jun 2015 #56
Can't - had a bleeding ulcer. 840high Jun 2015 #40
Same here. LiberalEsto Jun 2015 #58
John Wilkes Booth in January of 1865. madinmaryland Jun 2015 #15
I think someone else would have offed Lincoln Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #22
Whoever invented Autotune. Throd Jun 2015 #18
Oh yes. Yes indeed. hifiguy Jun 2015 #24
Thank you. Jamastiene Jun 2015 #48
What I remember about the Tylenol Snobblevitch Jun 2015 #19
Ronald "fucking" Reagan sylvanus Jun 2015 #25
Reagan was only the symptom and the messenger. hifiguy Jun 2015 #28
I nearly listed RWR also, but figured Ilsa Jun 2015 #34
Sirhan Sirhan demwing Jun 2015 #27
I don't think that would have made any difference in Kennedy's death Reter Jun 2015 #41
You need to get a blister pack of scissors. kentauros Jun 2015 #30
Rheumatism and arthritis meds come in packaging like that. lpbk2713 Jun 2015 #35
That's insane. kentauros Jun 2015 #42
I hate "childproof" lids. okasha Jun 2015 #44
The generic of my Zoloft now comes in those. Jamastiene Jun 2015 #53
Exactly. Tab Jun 2015 #70
What gets me are the ones where you have to take the Jamastiene Jun 2015 #32
The silica gel is primarily there to keep the pills from sticking together. kentauros Jun 2015 #50
I have a list... MicaelS Jun 2015 #36
we can't tear the fabric of time olddots Jun 2015 #43
Have you read any of Scott Bartz's books on the Tylenol murders? They are very interesting uppityperson Jun 2015 #45
I wouldn't. LWolf Jun 2015 #46
I would kill Pontius Pilate. No crucifixion of Jesus means he lives on muntrv Jun 2015 #49
if i was truly given this power... NeoGreen Jun 2015 #57
The Tylenol Mafia LiberalEsto Jun 2015 #60
I remember Bob Green's finest editorial, addressed to the Tylenol killer Skittles Jun 2015 #67
Ahh but messing with the fabric of time can have unintended consequences :) Marrah_G Jun 2015 #62
whoever spawned the Koch brothers DonCoquixote Jun 2015 #64
Here's a hint regarding those blister packs... Contrary1 Jun 2015 #65
K&R. That person might not be my first choice, but I take your point. Rhiannon12866 Jun 2015 #68
The Zen answer would be "Myself" because the notion of self is an illusion. McCamy Taylor Jun 2015 #72
 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
4. Yep. Adolf is the perennial #1 in that little thought experiment/poll.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 07:49 PM
Jun 2015

#2 Stalin
#3 Mao
#4 Pol Pot

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
12. Though perhaps getting rid of Prescott Bush could have solved two of these problems...
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 07:59 PM
Jun 2015

... made Hitler less of a problem without Bush's funding of his empire...

... and then we would have had less Bushes today that might have made recent history here totally different too!

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

Would be interesting to see how it would have affected his involvement in the attempted coup that was weeded out by Smedley Butler at the time though...

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2007/240707fascistcoup.htm

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
13. Hmm. I can see that any number of troublesome birds
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 08:00 PM
Jun 2015

might be vanquished with one stone. That is something to think about....

Snobblevitch

(1,958 posts)
14. If this game is going to be played,
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 08:01 PM
Jun 2015

whomever replaced Stalin may have done an even better job against the Germans.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
21. But then again, if Stalin had not lived,
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 08:09 PM
Jun 2015

Trotsky might have been the leader of the USSR and might not have signed a non-agression pact with Hitler to divide Poland.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
39. Or if you kill Hitler after 1941
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 08:31 PM
Jun 2015

You lose, or at least extend, World War II.

Hitler dying would have probably led to better military decisions.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
51. Stalin's stupidity is the reason the Germans got to the gates of Moscow
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 08:42 PM
Jun 2015

I doubt that his leadership after that was essential to Soviet victory.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
55. The tide turned after Zhukov started pursuing his own strategies
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 08:45 PM
Jun 2015

rather than Stalin's. If Hitler's generals had done the same thing they might have won the war. Hitler's ineptitude as a military strategist was legendary. He handed the Russians victory after victory in the east, beginning with Stalingrad. Zhukov made the most of each of Hitler's blunders.

 

Reter

(2,188 posts)
38. Bad idea
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 08:30 PM
Jun 2015

Killing Hitler early could have given rise to a more low-key nutcase, and caused a nuclear war. Or perhaps caused Stalin to attack us, since he wasn't weakened by Hitler.

There's an episode of Family Guy where Brian goes back in time to stop 9/11. Bush has nothing to run on, so he loses re-election in 2004, and a Civil War happens. Silly, but I'd be real careful about killing Hitler.

Journeyman

(15,041 posts)
54. I wouldn't kill Hitler. If I could, I'd travel back in time to months before his birth . . .
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 08:44 PM
Jun 2015

to Braunau am Inn, Austria, and once there I'd tinker biologically with Klara Hitler's womb, transform her developing child in the best means possible, so that early on the morning of April 20, 1889 she would give birth to a wonderful human being, a child who would grow to love and appreciate all whom he met, who would develop into a compassionate, empathetic adult, a perfect human being named Adolf Hitler.

That's what I'd do if I could time travel and tinker. There's been enough killing, wouldn't you agree?

former9thward

(32,088 posts)
59. And that Hitler would have never made it in politics.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 08:53 PM
Jun 2015

But someone vile would have. Hitler was a product of the conditions in post WW I Germany.

Journeyman

(15,041 posts)
61. And you're interjecting a sense of reality into a discussion of time travel & "biological tinkering"?. . .
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 09:09 PM
Jun 2015

The comment's focal point was the desirability of getting beyond killing as a solution to life's troubles. What has post-War Germany to do with that aspiration?

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
66. But without WWII my grandparents wouldn't have met at the dance for returning soldiers in 1945.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 04:38 AM
Jun 2015

And so if Hitler had been killed before he got power, I would never have existed. And that means that if I went back in time to kill Hitler, I would fail (since I do exist) and I might even kill Hitler's unknown twin brother or someone else that I mistake for Hitler.

Tab

(11,093 posts)
69. I bet you read The Straight Dope
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:53 PM
Jun 2015

That's the only place I've seen the phrase (not that it's wrong) a "weird petrochemical taste". At least, that's what Cecil Adams said.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
71. And you would be right.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:59 PM
Jun 2015

After drinking the stuff out of lack of choice a few times, I was never able to describe it. Cecil, as usual, hit the nail squarely on the head.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
37. The ones who invented all of those knockoffs of the good soft drinks.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 08:29 PM
Jun 2015

No, I don't ever want to try Dr. Perky or Dr. Thunder or Dr. Whateverthat was again. It was awful.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
5. I won't take a tylenol
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 07:50 PM
Jun 2015

there has been more liver disease because of tylenol than any one thing out there.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
16. Whatever happened to plain old aspirin?
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 08:02 PM
Jun 2015

Seriously. I know some people can't take it because of stomach issues, but it always worked for me and in any case you used to be able to buy buffered aspirin - Bufferin - if you had a touchy stomach.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
20. I'm an aspirin guy myself
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 08:06 PM
Jun 2015

have a bottle on my desk and try to take a few each week. At least one.

Ilsa

(61,698 posts)
23. Kids can't use aspirin. And ibuprofen has been linked
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 08:11 PM
Jun 2015

To enhanced bruising after an invasive procedure. It all depends on age and various circumstances.

I try to take an 81.5 mg aspirin several times a week. But I use 200 mg ibuprofen for pain and to reduce inflammation.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
26. Thanks for the info, llsa.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 08:17 PM
Jun 2015

I remember seeing ads for chewable kids' aspirin on the teevee when I was a kid/teen, though.

Ilsa

(61,698 posts)
31. If you're older like me, there's no telling how many
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 08:24 PM
Jun 2015

Remedies we were given as kids that are on the "do not use until older" list. Can't even give babies honey!

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
33. I am old enough to remember when
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 08:25 PM
Jun 2015

you could get cough syrup with codeine OTC. Made being sick not so bad.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
47. They were orange flavored and you had to take a bunch of them if you
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 08:39 PM
Jun 2015

were older, like 5 at a time or something like that, iirc. I have had troubles with stomach ulcers and a sensitive stomach when it comes to that stuff since I was a little kid. So, Tylenol, it is, for me. Although, Ibuprofen and aspirin do work at different times. I just can't take them more than once in a while.

I wish I could handle aspirin. It cools me down before it makes me bleed internally. I have really thick blood and stay hot all the time. When I take aspirin, my fingers tingle and I feel really cold. So, if I could find a way to make the bleeding internally, extreme bruising, tingling in my fingers, and feel cooler without feeling cold side effects go away, aspirin would be great. Plus, most doctors recommend it to keep heart disease at bay if it runs in your family. So, you can take it every day. Too bad my stomach can't handle it. The blood, well, I don't want to be gross about it, but I hate the taste of blood. It is awful. Plus, if I lean on my elbows, I don't want bright yellowish purple bruises just for doing that.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
52. I know some couldn't take aspirin - my mom couldn't - because it is an acid that can cause
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 08:42 PM
Jun 2015

serious stomach problems. She just got stomachaches so we always had Bufferin in the house, too, along with the aspirin.

I always have had a cast-iron belly, so I never had those issues. I am the kind of nitwit who gladly eats the stir-fried chili peppers at the Asian restaurant.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
56. Oh, I love spicy foods, but
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 08:46 PM
Jun 2015

if I eat them, I pay for it dearly. I now know how much Pepto Bismol to drink straight out of the bottle to make a full dose. I don't even need to use the cup any more. No one else will take Pepto Bismol in my family. Plus, when I was doing morning classes in college, Pepto Bismol was my version of coffee. I couldn't function that early in the morning without it. I stayed anxious and nervous all the time and my stomach was in constant pain. Pepto Bismol was a life saver. I just carried it around and practically drank the stuff all day. It was the only way I got through college, until I discovered Zoloft. That helped quite a bit and I was able to ween off taking the Pepto Bismol quite so much.

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
15. John Wilkes Booth in January of 1865.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 08:01 PM
Jun 2015

Lincoln would have been POTUS until at least 1868, there would have been no President Andrew Johnson, et al.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
22. I think someone else would have offed Lincoln
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 08:11 PM
Jun 2015

Booth was just the trigger man. Plenty of people wanted Lincoln dead.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
48. Thank you.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 08:40 PM
Jun 2015

If you ever do find a time machine, and if I have any spare cash to chip in for you at the time, I would want to donate to the cause.

Snobblevitch

(1,958 posts)
19. What I remember about the Tylenol
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 08:05 PM
Jun 2015

murders is that when the family of the first victim came home from the funeral, one of the family members took some Tylenol because of a stress related headache and then died from cyanide poisoning as well.

 

sylvanus

(122 posts)
25. Ronald "fucking" Reagan
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 08:17 PM
Jun 2015

The state of America and the state of polarization and discourse,
lies at his feet and those that got him elected.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
28. Reagan was only the symptom and the messenger.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 08:20 PM
Jun 2015

The reichwing wanted to return to a pre-Roosevelt (both Teddy AND Franklin) world for fifty years before the project got rolling and organized.

Rick Perlstein's brilliant "Before The Storm" chronicles the postwar rise of the Crazy Right in massive detail. They're all there, Joseph Welch, Fred Koch, William F. Buckley, crackpot ministers, homegrown paranoids like Joe McCarthy and old-fashioned fly-eating lunatics. Perlstein's book is huge, but extremely well written and compulsively readable. Read and learn. It opened my eyes, and I am a history junkie.

Ilsa

(61,698 posts)
34. I nearly listed RWR also, but figured
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 08:26 PM
Jun 2015

He was just someone's stooge. Thanks for the book rec and insight.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
27. Sirhan Sirhan
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 08:17 PM
Jun 2015

Bobby Kennedy as president would have changed our world in so many positive ways....

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
30. You need to get a blister pack of scissors.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 08:23 PM
Jun 2015

The joke being, that you need the scissors inside of the blister pack to open the blister pack

I use scissors all the time for blister packs. Fiskars work great!

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
42. That's insane.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 08:32 PM
Jun 2015

I have to wonder if there's some pharmaceutical rule/law that governs such asinine decisions.

One helpful way I saw was to use a can opener to get those packs open. Don't know if an electric opener would work, though. Plus, I figure my side-cutting opener wouldn't work, either.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
53. The generic of my Zoloft now comes in those.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 08:43 PM
Jun 2015

It takes so long to coax those pills out to fill my pill box for the month. Half the time, the little metal part of the blister pack falls out before the pill does and then I have to fish it out of the pill box or look for it on the floor. Only one side of it is shiny. The other side blends right in with the floor. So, then it takes a while to find it. I'm glad this medicine helps with anxiety and other conditions, because I am usually ready to pull my hair out by the time I am done filling the pill box.

Tab

(11,093 posts)
70. Exactly.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:57 PM
Jun 2015

For a while I had to take medication to control trembling (a side effect of *another* medication). Problem was, my hands shook so much I couldn't get the damned meds out. There is a point of overkill.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
32. What gets me are the ones where you have to take the
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 08:24 PM
Jun 2015

clear plastic out from around the entire top of the bottle. The perforated lines are never quite enough to help you get it started. You struggle with that and end up having to use a knife, then you open the cap. Of course, you have to press down on the cap to open it too. When you get in there, you find that foil cover over the bottle. Even with a knife, you cannot get all of that stuff off. So, some of it falls down into the bottle of pills and you have to check each time you take a pill or get foil in your mouth. What's worse, very few offer the little clear thing to pull it off. So, you end up having to scrape it off after cutting into it. No tabs to make it easier to grab, nope. Then, after all of that, you have to pull the cotton out and figure out what to do with it, because you really don't want to throw perfectly good cotton away. I actually kind of like the cotton, though, because it can be useful, at least, and it does keep the pills from being so freaking noisy when you are moving stuff around to get them home. And at the bottom, like the cherry on bottom, there is that weird ass silica gel thingy. Pills do not need to "taste" fresh. You are going to swallow them whole most of the time. They don't need to have any kind of "fresh taste." Anyone who decides to chew up a Tylenol is probably in for a hideous taste they won't soon forget. I doubt the little silica pack is really needed in that case.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
50. The silica gel is primarily there to keep the pills from sticking together.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 08:41 PM
Jun 2015

That can be a problem, because if they sit stuck like that for too long, when you do manage to get them apart, you end up with one pill with a sizable hole in it, and the other one with a scratchy chunk of gelatin on its side.

And, of course, before you spend half an hour getting into your bottle, you have discovered that its box could have easily held five more similar-sized bottles (drug companies have major problems, it seems, with over-packaging, i.e., Black Hole Award.)

uppityperson

(115,681 posts)
45. Have you read any of Scott Bartz's books on the Tylenol murders? They are very interesting
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 08:36 PM
Jun 2015

were free on kindle a couple years ago so I picked them up. I think the final outcome was it was someone at a distributing point messing with them but they still don't know.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
46. I wouldn't.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 08:37 PM
Jun 2015

If I could go back in time and kill someone, I wouldn't.

I don't think that killing is a solution.

muntrv

(14,505 posts)
49. I would kill Pontius Pilate. No crucifixion of Jesus means he lives on
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 08:41 PM
Jun 2015

And thus no blaming the Jews for Christ's death.

NeoGreen

(4,031 posts)
57. if i was truly given this power...
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 08:53 PM
Jun 2015

...i would not use it. there would be a never-ending list of substitutes.

however, on a purely hypothetical level, i would do in the purported biblical author paul.

failing that, cheney.

on a purely hypothetical level.


DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
64. whoever spawned the Koch brothers
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 12:56 AM
Jun 2015

after all, he also is the one that saved Stalin's ass by giving him access to an oil refining process

Contrary1

(12,629 posts)
65. Here's a hint regarding those blister packs...
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 04:14 AM
Jun 2015

An electric can opener works on them too, with less chance of maiming yourself.

Rhiannon12866

(206,157 posts)
68. K&R. That person might not be my first choice, but I take your point.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 05:53 AM
Jun 2015

It's frustrating as hell, now have a pair of scissors at the ready wherever I am - since it was particularly difficult dealing with the pills I was prescribed to deal with my injured hand - when I couldn't get them out - because I had an injured hand.

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