Thank you.

As far as I'm concerned he's the originator of hate radio that appealed to the dumbasses who listen to him.

They know from hate speech and its consequences on the body politic.

They've suffered too much from its insidious effects.

In their hard-earned wisdom, they will never again allow hate-speech to tear apart the social fabric of their ancient civilizations.

In parts of Europe it's illegal to wear a burqa in public.

The European restrictions on freedom of speech aren't hard-earned wisdom, they're illiberal folly.

Freedom of speech is the brick at the bottom of the wall of individual rights. It's very important indeed to defend it as widely as possible.

and the Austrian Corporal, I am not going to question their choices.

And I have no problems with banning burqas either.

How about denim pants?

Yea ... Let's ban denim pants ...

How about halter tops? ... the ones with the spaghetti straps? ... Those are awful!

Yes ... It's what freedom is about - banning certain clothing items ...

but I have zero problem with the French doing it. IIRC there was a European Court of Human Rights decision on this very subject.

What Wendell Holmes said was not protected was the right to *falsely* shout fire in a crowded theatre. That's a very different thing.

Your understanding of other peoples thinking on this subject is that we all believe it would not be protected speech to yell "fire" in a crowded theater that is aflame?

You either have a limited understanding of "verbal shorthand" and a general sense of shared knowledge or you are simply being pedantic.

imprisoning anti-war protesters, right? (And that the decision has long since been overturned?)

Incitement to violence should be restricted.

But merely being "hateful" must never, ever be enough to justify banning speech.

for the Nazi's Final Solution.

hate mongering of the racist RW MSM in this country against all POC. Thanks for this.

His preaching of hatred against Jews in Der Stürmer and elsewhere, for nearly 25 years, was considered to be crimes against humanity, and he was executed.

For what we today call stochastic terrorism.

Yeah, I think Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes should be prosecuted and imprisoned for what they do on FOX Noose.

...but you snuck it in anyway.

Congratulations.

That is EXACTLY what I was responding to.

Michael Weiner Savage was banned from the UK for his inflammatory hate speech in the 2000s. He's still mouthing off here. Fox= Director of Hate.

And that is a good thing.

..the word "incitement" is very vague, and I believe that should such a law be enacted,
it would be used against peaceful protests claiming that the language of dissatisfaction with our politicians or government could be construed as "incitement".

Excellent!!!

is doing what they do best, claiming victim hood. The attack was against Christians and their religious freedom, all the while ignoring the white supremacist views of the murdering terrorist.

I am spending some time at that wonderful site (makes Alex Jones look rational) called Stormfront.

Some of the nutshells. already found... so did the good folks at Huffpost in the morning. Looking later in the day, so they are done with this guy probably did it as anti-christian.

Will save you this... you should know this was an inside job from ZOG, to push the taking away of guns... not that I am surprised one bit to find that nut in there.

I do not think you want the link. If you do, let me know.

. . . I have already seen the NRA"s minions pushing their vile conspiracy theory that this was a plot to "take our gunz the same as Sandy Hook." Vile, despicable people, the lot of them.

and that is not by accident.

to have to agree to restrictions equal to the harm and danger they can cause! We have driver's training and licensing because cars are dangerous if mis-used. Drive irresponsibly enough you lose your privilege to drive. Guns are even more dangerous and when misused cause more serious injuries and death.
It is beyond the pale how little we govern these terrible weapons of death! Prohibition of guns won't work at this point and is not attainable without severe violence. Regulations could help a great deal except we allow bribery of our politicians which prevents any reasonable regulations from taking place. Yet another issue where solving the root problem of campaign finance with Publicly Funded Elections would save lives and benefit us as a country immeasurably!
I thought Sandy Hook would do it, boy was I wrong! Hard to keep seeing these shootings and not drown in cynicism.
Bernie, we really need you now more than ever!

Good analysis.

Even though I am a white woman.

them, I just wish they were all dead!'

Paisley was the NI Ireland version of the KKK.

Mr/Ms Fagan, you make Ireland proud.

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during one of their marches, through a Catholic quarter, as is their most cherished wont, and Paisley protested that he didn't know the killers. Unfortunately, alas, though, that they knew him.

Still, Paisley was always preaching to an eager audience. I remember reading an article in the UK Daily Mail, in which the immensely- bigoted Rose Dudley, was all but cursing Paisley for finally 'cracking', and joining the rest of the NI polity. He evidently, didn't want to be exclusively saddled with the blame for all future, terrorist murders.

Few could have said it better. It was clear and to the point. This needs to be seen across the internet and across this country.

When I read the book Trinity by Leon Uris I was amazed by the parallels with the political/racial climate in today's USA. I understand Trinity is historical fiction but still.

http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/u/leon-uris/trinity.htm

Racist British influence on the treatment of "inferiors" has been especially pernicious and hard to eradicate.

The Irish did it after many centuries of fighting for their independence but the scars remain...

As I understand it Ireland remained a net exporter of food during the potato famine. Conservative voices at the time said they were concerned the Irish people would grow dependent on government handouts. They didn't grow dependent, they died of starvation instead. We hear these same voices today. I am outraged when I hear these modern day pundits make similar claims.

this raises the key issue, it seems to me. at least, half of it; the other, of course, being guns.

but putting aside the obvious gun insanity, let's take this more ignored one, the way in which the propaganda mill feeds these behaviors. this horrifying mass killer situation relies on two factors. one, the perps; check out the mojo piece on mass killings in the US. the map they provide is revealing for the huge percentage of perps who had documented previous mental health issues. two points on this; one, naturally, is our reprehensible avoidance of mental health care in this country; an issue worth volumes on its own, but i want to take it further to point out the vulnerability of these individuals. which leads to the second sub-point; these poor folks are in a way victims themselves (don't attack me; these folks are not in healthy control of their minds or decisions), in that they become conduits for the propaganda machinery, the larger point here.

that this conservative propaganda machine cannot take responsibility for their role in this process is of course infuriating, but should not be surprising. they have woven it into their "reality" (see ron suskind's likely rove quote on this) so seamlessly that no one in their zeitgeist can sense it, any more than a fish senses the water they swim in or we sense the air we breathe..

but here's the thing: once upon a time - at the end of WWII, to be precise, at the nuremberg trials, to really nail it down - we were all about recognizing the power of propaganda to do evil. and here's how we know this: there was in germany one julius streicher who was the only nazi who was not military or government official hanged at the trials. his crime? he was the publisher and editor of der sturmer, the newspaper that printed all those inflammatory cartoons of sharp-toothed rabid jews biting the heads off aryan children. etc. the jurists determined that the fervor and ferocity necessary to launch and sustain the holocaust (hell; even just kristallnacht) could have never happened without his paper's fomentation of those monstrous anti-semitic sentiments.

we of course run up against freedom of speech here, so this gets dicey. but the influence of propaganda happens; it is what makes advertising work. interestingly, goebbels proudly claimed he got all his propaganda ideas from american advertising. aside from the truly disturbing ways in which we are bombarded with ads all day every day, but more so the ways in which these ads do in fact subtly and not so subtly influence our behaviors and our inclinations, the power of words to kill - even once removed - should not be taken lightly.

i'm not advocating for censorship here; in truth, i'm not sure what the solution could be to preserve freedom of speech while also protecting ourselves from the maniacal and destructive influence of fox news and that ilk (though the fairness doctrine appears to have done a pretty good job of it, at least until reagan did away with it). in any case, we need to be aware of all these things, and highly sensitive to them.

Thank you!!! Nail met hammer in your post.

Concur, but it's also Left and mainstream media. Doubt me? Try to be a Black act and get a role as a James Bond character or some other hero type. America is the most racist nation on the planet; I say it after 50 years of walking the Earth. Just how many more slave movies or Blacks as pimps, pushers, or violent criminals do I have to see in the 21st century?

All of you good people have built up such a high tolerance level for racist media that you don't realize it any more. And that is truly sad.

Happy to be 306.... or maybe it's already too late for that number!

thank you very much for this post.

…..to everyone in the world except those in America who claim we're "post racial".