and you are a very good writer.

Sadly, I can't. Your words resonate Mr Scorpio and it hurts me deep down inside to not know how to change the dynamic you have described. Thank you for sharing your perspective.

to coverup the passage of TPA.

omg

where no one can get a jury to hide the whole Alex Jones-style tinfoil hat bullshit.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026861002

The shootings are called "wall to wall propaganda" and the crap was rec'd.

Which I am glad for.

I am saddened by the ignorance that shows.

Kee-rist.

who have chosen to focus on a single subject in a manner that rather than providing useful informational updates, advocacy, and critique, devolves the issue into drive-by hit pieces and literal spamming of GD with apocalyptic nonsense.

but the one posted pointed to something worth considering from my POV but I'll have to look into debates surrounding the bill but I don't think it was preplanned in the sense to draw media attention away but once it was it does speak to their willingness to use it to their advantage and while I haven't seen a second of news coverage on this--literally almost everything the 24/7 news coverage is propaganda in the way they sell the story. Not that this was anything as much about TPP as this was more about the shooting will bring them higher ratings so covering the story was to their advantage.

because on DU, whining about a vaporware trade pact that will have little or no impact on the black demographic due to us already being the last hired and first fired anyway, is more important than our being targeted for genocide in the U.S. A "job" is irrelevant when you are 6ft under, whether due to police brutality or white supremacy, which unfortunately is tacitly approved by too many of the majority culture by their silence and dismissal of what is happening to us perpetrated by members of their community.

Everything else I'm against and don't dismiss. Just commenting on the opportunistic nature of taking politicians using the media attention to their advantage. Who is saying FU here?

There was a LBN right here on DU that announced the vote had already been scheduled BEFORE the shootings.

There's alot of nonsense that has been spewed on DU but this latest bullshit takes the cake.

seriously?

than it is about guns or sexism. But that's just me.

IMO he saw black people as a dangerous threat. If that sound irrational, I think it should be seen than way.

Privilege vs threat... are those the same thing or something different?

I don't have the perfect answer. I think threats usually threaten status quo which often involves privilege.

His action was prima faciae criminally deviant and regardless of external/third party encouragements he will face responsibility alone.

And about women as property.

About guns, not much needs to be said. A gun is what made this event possible. Without the gun, just another day.

This was a cut and dried racist hate crime. It's obfuscation to call it anything else.

that's clear. Clearly motivated by race, no doubt. But while committing his racist hate crime, he also told a group of women, that he was murdering, that he was the great white defender of white women and that he was doing it, in part, to protect his women. Women are not children. So, saying our women, in that particular context, seems that the man also has sexist delusions.

There may be sexism involved, I don't know.

In the "our women" statement though, one would assume
the "our" comes from the "us vs. them" split in the perpetrator's
mind. "Us and them" being white and black. "Our" is about
"belonging," but in this case, not belonging to an individual
but a group identity.

Sure, depending on context, it does fit into the a racist/sexist bundle
of "helpless white damsels" attacked by black men (I'm thinking "Birth
of a Nation&quot .
The other two (guns and racism) seem a lot more relevant in the
context of this attack though. I suppose he may well have carried
out some sort of racist violence with or without access to guns
as well though.

I guess if he was whittled down to an (adjective noun) description,
I (at least) would go with "Militant racist," over "Sexist racist."

This is the kind of post that should have thousands of recs.

I've had up close and personal experience with this level of racist thought and action back in the 60's. I never thought we'd see it as rampant again but here it is. This has been coming and with all the police brutality and murders recently it's pretty clear someone wants that race war.

We need to pull together and stop this, NOW!

Keep talking!

Thanks for this OP!

K&R

So well said.

They put a bullet-proof vest on him.

I don't think anything else quite illustrates how racist America is. You can be sure they didn't fear another white man shooting him. No, the police was showing their belief in the inherent violence of black people.

Black victims of crimes are scrutinized and declared "no angels" while white terrorists are protected and declared soft-spoken. It is disgusting, and we white people need to do something about it.

Thank you for this very important information, and it is at least disgusting.

Bullet proof vest, no hand cuffs, ugh, most likely pats on the back to this thug racist terrorist.

that when they did a car stop on him and questioned him, they then "escorted" him to the police car without handcuffs. He was treated with kid gloves because by golly, unless you are black and pulled over for a traffic stop because it is assumed that you are an armed and dangerously savage animal, you are assumed "innocent" despite being a confirmed armed (a gun was in his car) and dangerous white murderer fitting an APB, because you are carrying out your supreme right to drive where you want and own a gun.

The host and caller had a back and forth about why he wasn't:

1.) Thrown up against the car and searched
2.) Tased because he appeared to be "a threat" and was "resisting arrest" when told to hold still while involuntarily jerking around when jolted with the taser and kicked
3.) Handcuffed after being roughly face-planted into the cement, dragged to his feet, and shoved head-first into the top of the doorway before being stuffed into the back of the police car
4.) Given a "rough ride" (or "Nickel Ride&quot on the way to the station

The one thing I do give credit to is the lady who spotted him, took time to tail him, and reported him to the police.

so that when he was being brought in to the police station, he was handcuffed. However, he was not mistreated in any way. White defenders claim that it is because he surrendered, but as someone pointed out, black people aren't even given the chance to surrender before they are shot.

Thanks to Jack Ruby, bullet-proof vests are SOP for all high-profile killers.

Imagine if some outraged citizen shot and killed Roof as he was getting out of the squad car. Conspiracy nuts would never let us hear the end of it.

Bullet-proof vests aren't some kind of "privilege" reserved for whites who kill blacks, as Jesse Matthew below can attest to.

It is primarily racist but it is also sexist. "You are raping our women." Where the hell does that thought arise? And yet most who died WERE women.

Women not as separate people with their own individuality. Lumped together as objects to be killed or objects to be owned, but not as whole people unto themselves.

In his crazy mind he thought he was angry at black men for "raping our women" but the black women victims were just incidental, trivial victims to him.

to wipe oneself in the toilet. Or using them to wrap your trash in. Cuz that's all they're good for.

There are some saying Roof is crazy. Lindsey Graham said Roof is twisted. Roof is a reflection of the society he was raised in, a society that is racist, sexist, and in love with violence. It's time we looked in that mirror.

The whole right wing militias get some very false information leading to some very bizarre beliefs which they impassioned believe in. For example, I was searching for "Giving rights to terrorists" to research more on how the right and they type of framing they use. First page "Obama gives 2nd Amendment Rights to terrorists" I know somebody out there read that and believes it.

Though there is probably some truth to what you say and also worth discussing. Certainly, I'd add the violence all-around in America and outside.

https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=&w=1484

If you can't have power via wealth, you can always have power via a gun. Guns are the tools of bullies.

Thank you a million times for sharing your experience and insight.

I want healing and growth. Growth takes consciousness and effort. We seem to have neither in this country, for a large group of Americans.

What you've said rings so true to me.

They both stated that "starting a race war" was in their motivations. McVeigh gave new life to the Turner Diaries, the book he said gave him inspiration.

Ironic - although McVeigh did his worst damage with the bombs, it was his .45 on the seat next to him that got his ass arrested down the road.

Plenty of these racist murderers in the past, and, you are correct, more in the future.

Too bad they aren't the real problem. The real problem are the people who got too comfortable, cared more about [link:

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In some ways I hope that they find out that he has been on some kind of a drug, street or prescribed that might explain his actions. I hope its not systematic of our culture.

very little has always been done by those who can truly make difference because there is no need. Racism really does not affect the privileged class except when they have to worry about losing some of that privilege economically or in physical loss, like a building. Or they start fearing that they could be a target of violence because of their privileged status in a world of pain, poverty, inequality both socially and racially. Then they throw a few crumbs out that are soon taken away again and the whole process starts all over again. Quite predictable really, in my experience in this country. There are many more dylann roofs out there just trying to get their nerve up to make their statement of white male supremacy.

Great post.