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There is nothing wrong with what she said. There is just about everything right with it. And I'd remind people that she had a personal connection to this horrific tragedy: I'm not sure how well she knew Rev Sen Pinkney but he was a supporter of hers and had campaigned for her. He'd just attended a campaign event of hers.
She said what was true, about our culture, racism and guns. There is no valid reason to attack her for her comments. The only reason is to attack her over this is to score cheap political points on the bodies of the dead. And to me, that is both repugnant and reprehensible.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)President Obama, Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders -- thank you for your insightful and heartfelt commentary on this tragedy.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)I don't agree with her politics, but I don't think she was laughing with villainous glee over the body count.
cali
(114,904 posts)I also think it's clear that she was doing the opposite of "laughing with villainous glee".
TDale313
(7,820 posts)Rockyj
(538 posts)authenticity re this horrific act of domestic terrorism, but on most matters she speaks with fork tongue.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)While I'm a Bernie supporter, I very much appreciated her comments.
cali
(114,904 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)she has strong ties to Rev. Pinkney.
calimary
(81,364 posts)This thread is most welcome and appreciated, and its premise is TRUE. Having watched her through the years, I cannot for a single instant think she was being somehow phony about this. I just can't. It isn't there. And it isn't her.
still_one
(92,280 posts)saying the same thing about Bernie's statement about Charleston? Why wouldn't that also be viewed as a "political point stunt on the dead bodies"
What a cynical, hypocritical, and unjustified thread
cali
(114,904 posts)I'm doing the opposite of attacking her for doing this for politics, dear. I'm saying there's no reason at all to believe she's doing this for any reason but because she believes in what she is saying. The word "heartfelt" should have given you a big honking clue.
You are under a delusion if you think this was anything but praise for Hillary. A severe one.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)I was a bit shocked when I read the title, but the continuation in the body reverses the meaning.
still_one
(92,280 posts)"The only reason is to attack her over this is to score cheap political points on the bodies of the dead. And to me, that is both repugnant and reprehensible. "
The part, "And to me, that is both repugnant and reprehensible.", added almost as an aside to the last paragraph, if not intentionally trying to mislead, is a pretty lousy way to express a point, with negatives, only clarifying it in the last sentence.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Why the gratutitous need to defend Clinton and her character? Who on DU, or even otherwise, has attacked Clinton's character and veracity......otherwise?
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Which is my whole point.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)I provided the link for context. Or am I misunderstanding something?
Andy823
(11,495 posts)The OP, and all of those who rec'd it should be ashamed of themselves. It just goes to show that some here are only posting to divide DU, cause problems and stir up the shit. Sadly the same group hides behind Bernie and it makes things even worse. I think most of the Bernie supporters are sincere about their support, but not those who only seem to be able to post negative threads about others.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)4-3 to hide after the poster trolled me repeatedly. The OP, however, was allowed to stand, 6-1.
cali
(114,904 posts)I could have posted a better headline and I changed it when asked. And why I posted this is obvious.
cali
(114,904 posts)It was clear. You were wrong and now you are doubling down.
I was one of the first people to rec and comment approvingly on her comments in the first thread about them. I've done so at least a dozen times. I wrote this because I was not only disgusted by posts attacking her for her comments, but I found them painful to read.
whatthefuckever, dear.
Fairgo
(1,571 posts)It was genuine and heartfelt...no need to defend it, and no use to try. Just know that it reached those who were open to hear it.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)There is a level of negative campaigning that is in fact reprehensible. Much of the rest I see as ineffective and worthless to me locally.
still_one
(92,280 posts)dead bodies"
There is no line drawn, unless of course I misread the comments of the last paragraph of the OP
Autumn
(45,120 posts)It came right after
Yes you misread cali's OP
still_one
(92,280 posts)expressed, starting with the negatives, and the last sentence clarifying it.
That is just me though
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)partisan politics. The OP is praising Clinton's words and doing so as a well known political opponent of Hillary's candidacy. The OP is acknowledging that it was an excellent statement spoken by a person who knew one of the victims. To make political fodder out of that is deplorable, and the OP is saying exactly that.
still_one
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still_one
(92,280 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)Beaverhausen
(24,470 posts)You should rewrite the headline of this OP.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)now run away and pretend that you weren't wrong, freddy.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)That did make the accusation. In that thread and here Cali seems to be pushing back against it.
cali
(114,904 posts)the intent and words in my op were clear. You chose to twist my meaning.
Beaverhausen
(24,470 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)TNNurse
(6,928 posts)but heard nothing from here that was not completely sincere.
We need to remember that if we disagree on one thing, we can agree on many others. The Republican party supports dividing that way, but it simply is not true.
mainstreetonce
(4,178 posts)I would have liked to see her specifically address gun laws, but she does not need to provoke NRA backlash right now.
Well done,Hillary.
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)n/t
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)It was a horrific (and that doesn't even describe it) event.
Each statement put out in print, can be "interpreted" by many in different ways.
The civilized among us will understand what they are saying.
I've no problem with her statement...save the rage for Graham, Santorum, the NRA and other such vile persons and groups.
CherokeeDem
(3,709 posts)Much appreciated....
rpannier
(24,330 posts)Thanks for saying so
Hekate
(90,743 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)should be treated with anything but sober respect. Respect for those who lost their lives, respect for those who they left behind and the AA community in Charleston and across the country. Using it in anyway to score political points is despicable.
mwooldri
(10,303 posts)At times like these, cheap political point scoring is inappropriate.
Thank you Cali for this thoughtful post.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Andy823
(11,495 posts)The thread you are addressing was uncalled for, and I admire you for standing up to the poster on that thread. I couldn't believe what I was reading there.
ms liberty
(8,588 posts)This awful issue is beyond any one candidate - and I applaud Hillary for her moving statement. I'm positive she meant every word, and if she becomes our nominee, im sure that she stands on the correct side (I just can't bring myself to use the phrase "right side" with all of us on this.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)okasha
(11,573 posts)Your thread is appreciated.
Damansarajaya
(625 posts)"It was a bad thing. We have to talk about this. Let's do something."
That would apply to just about any problem one can imagine.
cali
(114,904 posts)she didn't say what you put in quotes. Not even close. She addressed racism and guns and spoke of standing with the AA community- and more.
Damansarajaya
(625 posts)"We have to have a candid national conversation about race and about discrimination, prejudice, hatred," Clinton said
Not a condemnation of racism. Not an accusation of the historical racism that still permeates our society and the South in particular that led to this horrific act of terror, but "we need to talk."
Yup, that's Hillary, the lawyer. Don't say anything you can be held to account to later.