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cali

(114,904 posts)
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 10:06 AM Jun 2015

There is no reason at all to believe Hillary's comments on Charleston weren't heartfelt

Last edited Fri Jun 19, 2015, 11:25 AM - Edit history (1)



There is nothing wrong with what she said. There is just about everything right with it. And I'd remind people that she had a personal connection to this horrific tragedy: I'm not sure how well she knew Rev Sen Pinkney but he was a supporter of hers and had campaigned for her. He'd just attended a campaign event of hers.

She said what was true, about our culture, racism and guns. There is no valid reason to attack her for her comments. The only reason is to attack her over this is to score cheap political points on the bodies of the dead. And to me, that is both repugnant and reprehensible.

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There is no reason at all to believe Hillary's comments on Charleston weren't heartfelt (Original Post) cali Jun 2015 OP
Thank you. nt onehandle Jun 2015 #1
you're welcome. It's only the truth as I see it. cali Jun 2015 #2
Agreed. marmar Jun 2015 #3
Did somebody say otherwise? (Edit: geez, someone did.) Jester Messiah Jun 2015 #4
yeah, that was a pretty pig pile of shit cali Jun 2015 #5
Yeah, it was pretty shameful imo. TDale313 Jun 2015 #9
I didn't hear anyone discredit her... Rockyj Jun 2015 #61
Absolutely agree. TDale313 Jun 2015 #6
Me too. They touched me. And I actually found a small degree of comfort in what she said. cali Jun 2015 #8
.... sufrommich Jun 2015 #7
Of course her comments were heartfelt. This was personal to her, Autumn Jun 2015 #10
And evidently, she visited with him the day before he was assassinated. calimary Jun 2015 #52
Really, as you in a back-handed way attack Hillary for doing this only for politics? Why aren't you still_one Jun 2015 #11
what the ever loving fuck are you going on about? cali Jun 2015 #14
I think you may be reading only the title. SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #15
that, and the sentence structure in the last paragraph messed me up to it appears still_one Jun 2015 #19
Apparently you hit too close to home...the posting of a deliberately misleading headline. Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #23
See here: Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2015 #29
Like I said, no need to defend using a deliberately contradictory headline..the linked OP is self evidently ludicrous. Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #33
You asked who attacked Clinton's character and veracity. Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2015 #39
That post really was a pile of crap Andy823 Jun 2015 #49
I ended up with my first hide in a LONG time in that thread. Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2015 #57
absolute crap. but then it's you. I expect nothing better. cali Jun 2015 #37
wow. my syntax wasn't up to your standards? cali Jun 2015 #30
I appreciate your gesture Fairgo Jun 2015 #59
It's good to see you draw a line, some of the comments about her words were just vile. Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #12
What line was drawn? The implication is that Hillary's words are "only for political points over still_one Jun 2015 #13
I think you missed this last sentence. " And to me, that is both repugnant and reprehensible." Autumn Jun 2015 #17
You are right, my first take was taking the context incorrectly. To me the post sure wasn't well still_one Jun 2015 #20
The OP is saying that those being critical of Hillary's statement are exploiting the dead for Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #18
I got it. Thanks. I am a little dense still_one Jun 2015 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author cali Jun 2015 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #22
Looks like I read your post wrong. Sorry. still_one Jun 2015 #24
It's OK. I just snapped at you for it. we're all a little raw. cali Jun 2015 #32
thanks still_one Jun 2015 #45
If you are being genuine Beaverhausen Jun 2015 #25
That would work for me...but I doubt it. Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #27
Fred fails. again. cali Jun 2015 #54
It's genuine- in response to another thread TDale313 Jun 2015 #34
done. but I'm sure you'll find another excuse to doubt my sincerity cali Jun 2015 #36
thank you Beaverhausen Jun 2015 #43
True.... daleanime Jun 2015 #26
I support Bernie TNNurse Jun 2015 #28
Her comments were appropriate mainstreetonce Jun 2015 #31
Well done. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #35
Agreed. SoapBox Jun 2015 #38
Thank you... CherokeeDem Jun 2015 #40
Agreed 100% rpannier Jun 2015 #41
Thank you, Cali. Just thank you. Some lines should not be crossed. nt Hekate Jun 2015 #42
You're welcome. There is nothing about this horrific event that cali Jun 2015 #47
Wholeheartedly Rec this. mwooldri Jun 2015 #44
Well said mcar Jun 2015 #46
+1,000 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #48
Good for you Cali Andy823 Jun 2015 #50
Well said, cali. This fellow Bernie supporter agrees... ms liberty Jun 2015 #51
+1000 leftofcool Jun 2015 #53
Thank you cali. MoonRiver Jun 2015 #55
Thank you Cali. okasha Jun 2015 #56
But she didn't say anything: Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #58
That you didn't hear what she said, is not the same thing as her not saying it. cali Jun 2015 #60
This is what she said: Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #62

marmar

(77,084 posts)
3. Agreed.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 10:16 AM
Jun 2015

President Obama, Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders -- thank you for your insightful and heartfelt commentary on this tragedy.


 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
4. Did somebody say otherwise? (Edit: geez, someone did.)
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 10:20 AM
Jun 2015

I don't agree with her politics, but I don't think she was laughing with villainous glee over the body count.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
5. yeah, that was a pretty pig pile of shit
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 10:33 AM
Jun 2015

I also think it's clear that she was doing the opposite of "laughing with villainous glee".

Rockyj

(538 posts)
61. I didn't hear anyone discredit her...
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 08:32 PM
Jun 2015

authenticity re this horrific act of domestic terrorism, but on most matters she speaks with fork tongue.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
10. Of course her comments were heartfelt. This was personal to her,
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 10:37 AM
Jun 2015

she has strong ties to Rev. Pinkney.

calimary

(81,364 posts)
52. And evidently, she visited with him the day before he was assassinated.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:07 PM
Jun 2015

This thread is most welcome and appreciated, and its premise is TRUE. Having watched her through the years, I cannot for a single instant think she was being somehow phony about this. I just can't. It isn't there. And it isn't her.

still_one

(92,280 posts)
11. Really, as you in a back-handed way attack Hillary for doing this only for politics? Why aren't you
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 10:38 AM
Jun 2015

saying the same thing about Bernie's statement about Charleston? Why wouldn't that also be viewed as a "political point stunt on the dead bodies"

What a cynical, hypocritical, and unjustified thread

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
14. what the ever loving fuck are you going on about?
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 10:42 AM
Jun 2015

I'm doing the opposite of attacking her for doing this for politics, dear. I'm saying there's no reason at all to believe she's doing this for any reason but because she believes in what she is saying. The word "heartfelt" should have given you a big honking clue.

You are under a delusion if you think this was anything but praise for Hillary. A severe one.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
15. I think you may be reading only the title.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 10:43 AM
Jun 2015

I was a bit shocked when I read the title, but the continuation in the body reverses the meaning.

still_one

(92,280 posts)
19. that, and the sentence structure in the last paragraph messed me up to it appears
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 10:50 AM
Jun 2015

"The only reason is to attack her over this is to score cheap political points on the bodies of the dead. And to me, that is both repugnant and reprehensible. "

The part, "And to me, that is both repugnant and reprehensible.", added almost as an aside to the last paragraph, if not intentionally trying to mislead, is a pretty lousy way to express a point, with negatives, only clarifying it in the last sentence.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
23. Apparently you hit too close to home...the posting of a deliberately misleading headline.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 10:56 AM
Jun 2015

Why the gratutitous need to defend Clinton and her character? Who on DU, or even otherwise, has attacked Clinton's character and veracity......otherwise?

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
33. Like I said, no need to defend using a deliberately contradictory headline..the linked OP is self evidently ludicrous.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 11:23 AM
Jun 2015

Which is my whole point.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
39. You asked who attacked Clinton's character and veracity.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 11:49 AM
Jun 2015

I provided the link for context. Or am I misunderstanding something?

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
49. That post really was a pile of crap
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 12:58 PM
Jun 2015

The OP, and all of those who rec'd it should be ashamed of themselves. It just goes to show that some here are only posting to divide DU, cause problems and stir up the shit. Sadly the same group hides behind Bernie and it makes things even worse. I think most of the Bernie supporters are sincere about their support, but not those who only seem to be able to post negative threads about others.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
57. I ended up with my first hide in a LONG time in that thread.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 02:08 PM
Jun 2015

4-3 to hide after the poster trolled me repeatedly. The OP, however, was allowed to stand, 6-1.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
37. absolute crap. but then it's you. I expect nothing better.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 11:37 AM
Jun 2015

I could have posted a better headline and I changed it when asked. And why I posted this is obvious.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
30. wow. my syntax wasn't up to your standards?
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 11:22 AM
Jun 2015

It was clear. You were wrong and now you are doubling down.

I was one of the first people to rec and comment approvingly on her comments in the first thread about them. I've done so at least a dozen times. I wrote this because I was not only disgusted by posts attacking her for her comments, but I found them painful to read.

whatthefuckever, dear.

Fairgo

(1,571 posts)
59. I appreciate your gesture
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 07:01 PM
Jun 2015

It was genuine and heartfelt...no need to defend it, and no use to try. Just know that it reached those who were open to hear it.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
12. It's good to see you draw a line, some of the comments about her words were just vile.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 10:39 AM
Jun 2015

There is a level of negative campaigning that is in fact reprehensible. Much of the rest I see as ineffective and worthless to me locally.

still_one

(92,280 posts)
13. What line was drawn? The implication is that Hillary's words are "only for political points over
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 10:42 AM
Jun 2015

dead bodies"

There is no line drawn, unless of course I misread the comments of the last paragraph of the OP

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
17. I think you missed this last sentence. " And to me, that is both repugnant and reprehensible."
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 10:45 AM
Jun 2015

It came right after

"The only reason is to attack her over this is to score cheap political points on the bodies of the dead."


Yes you misread cali's OP

still_one

(92,280 posts)
20. You are right, my first take was taking the context incorrectly. To me the post sure wasn't well
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 10:52 AM
Jun 2015

expressed, starting with the negatives, and the last sentence clarifying it.

That is just me though

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
18. The OP is saying that those being critical of Hillary's statement are exploiting the dead for
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 10:45 AM
Jun 2015

partisan politics. The OP is praising Clinton's words and doing so as a well known political opponent of Hillary's candidacy. The OP is acknowledging that it was an excellent statement spoken by a person who knew one of the victims. To make political fodder out of that is deplorable, and the OP is saying exactly that.

Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #12)

Response to cali (Original post)

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
34. It's genuine- in response to another thread
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 11:26 AM
Jun 2015

That did make the accusation. In that thread and here Cali seems to be pushing back against it.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
36. done. but I'm sure you'll find another excuse to doubt my sincerity
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 11:27 AM
Jun 2015

the intent and words in my op were clear. You chose to twist my meaning.

TNNurse

(6,928 posts)
28. I support Bernie
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 11:16 AM
Jun 2015

but heard nothing from here that was not completely sincere.

We need to remember that if we disagree on one thing, we can agree on many others. The Republican party supports dividing that way, but it simply is not true.

mainstreetonce

(4,178 posts)
31. Her comments were appropriate
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 11:22 AM
Jun 2015

I would have liked to see her specifically address gun laws, but she does not need to provoke NRA backlash right now.

Well done,Hillary.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
38. Agreed.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 11:38 AM
Jun 2015

It was a horrific (and that doesn't even describe it) event.

Each statement put out in print, can be "interpreted" by many in different ways.

The civilized among us will understand what they are saying.

I've no problem with her statement...save the rage for Graham, Santorum, the NRA and other such vile persons and groups.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
47. You're welcome. There is nothing about this horrific event that
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 12:26 PM
Jun 2015

should be treated with anything but sober respect. Respect for those who lost their lives, respect for those who they left behind and the AA community in Charleston and across the country. Using it in anyway to score political points is despicable.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
50. Good for you Cali
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:00 PM
Jun 2015

The thread you are addressing was uncalled for, and I admire you for standing up to the poster on that thread. I couldn't believe what I was reading there.

ms liberty

(8,588 posts)
51. Well said, cali. This fellow Bernie supporter agrees...
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:05 PM
Jun 2015

This awful issue is beyond any one candidate - and I applaud Hillary for her moving statement. I'm positive she meant every word, and if she becomes our nominee, im sure that she stands on the correct side (I just can't bring myself to use the phrase "right side&quot with all of us on this.

 

Damansarajaya

(625 posts)
58. But she didn't say anything:
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 03:28 PM
Jun 2015

"It was a bad thing. We have to talk about this. Let's do something."

That would apply to just about any problem one can imagine.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
60. That you didn't hear what she said, is not the same thing as her not saying it.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 07:40 PM
Jun 2015

she didn't say what you put in quotes. Not even close. She addressed racism and guns and spoke of standing with the AA community- and more.

 

Damansarajaya

(625 posts)
62. This is what she said:
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 12:14 PM
Jun 2015

"We have to have a candid national conversation about race and about discrimination, prejudice, hatred," Clinton said

Not a condemnation of racism. Not an accusation of the historical racism that still permeates our society and the South in particular that led to this horrific act of terror, but "we need to talk."

Yup, that's Hillary, the lawyer. Don't say anything you can be held to account to later.

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