and I think DUers should be prepared for the upcoming social media battles to come. Some of those links are to RW sites who have been pushing for a race war. I believe it's going to get worse when the RW digs in against us.

the responses saying I'm delusional are interesting, too.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026354088

into Ferguson from Chicago to vandalize businesses and get the blame on POC. There was a video of the councilman who was arrested but kept on working with the protestors about it.

Soon the all white tourists, the OC crowd, showed up to push their view of the solution which was carrying, which implies in the long run, shooting. They were from out of state. The locals listened but didn't fall for it.

Nor did they fall for the offer of help from ISIS which said if they converted they'd help them train to kill... whoever and make them part of their global mission.

I thing the speculation you made is based upon knowing the history of these movement which are based on rightwing ideology and do not care for POC, they only want to hide behind their dead bodies while accomplishing their own white agenda.

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Like every one of these incidents, I spend some quality time at RW land. This includes ahem places like Stormfront. It is always both chilling and educational.

widespread discussion of law enforcement studies is an eye-opener, too.

I am redoubling my efforts to bring DU up to speed.

Has there been anything looking into extremism in his family background?

a member, but that does not mean he could not have read the place. (Or posted under a handle).

kid who barely went to school and dropped out at 14 know enough about the history of those apartheid regimes to wear the patches?

He was in or around a groups like this - he shares their mindset. His own ears told him that night that the people he thought he hated were 'so nice'….his conditioned heart and brain told him to go through with the slaughter.

the efforts there to distance themselves were kind of humorous. But I am positive that they involved both in person and online activities. I am sure law enforcement is going though his computer as well, if he has one, or cell phone or whatever other electronic trail he left behind.

It is just that he was not posting under his RL name. Most people do not.

White supremacist crazy is the most dangerous.

I usually spend that quality time when we have an incident.

The place gives me the jeebie heebies, they are well... nuts.

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Why can't the mainstream right dissociate itself from the neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and sovereign citizens?

Why did they see that DoJ report as a politically-motivated attack on them personally?

Why is the "they're going to try to take away your guns" meme that's so central to the proponents of race war (see, for example, The Turner Diaries) also embraced by the right in general?

Why are Republican politicians (and Fox News) trying so desperately to cast the Charleston shooting as either an attack on Christianity or a lone nut with inexplicable motivations?

Has the GOP been eaten out from within by the racists and the Birchers until there is nothing left of it but a facade that allows it to pose as a legitimate political party? Or are they nervously pandering to the extreme right-wing because they don't want to alienate what's left of their base?

Or, just possibly, are they motivated by a guilty suspicion that even "respectable" conservatives are racists or petty fascists at heart and that if anyone started looking at them too closely the truth might come out?

and know that RW propaganda media will help kill any public discussion of these issues.

And, yes, many of the 'respectable' conservatives are core racists, too. Ever see them clamoring for more money to be spent on education and job training programs?

It changed in the 1960s with the Voting Rights Act. That was passed with a mixture of supporters and opponents from both parties. And at that time, the GOP still prided itself on being the party of Lincoln.

But then there was Nixon's Southern Strategy that remade the GOP on a basis of catering to racists. In the early 1970s, the fledgling movement conservatives began wooing both Wallacites and people who bought into Birch Society conspiracy theories. Hardcore racists were welcomed into organizations that combined movement conservatives with CIA types. And in the 1970s and early 80s, a toxic stew of hard-right ideas and attitudes came out of those associations.

But even then, they hadn't taken over the mainstream right. George H.W. Bush wasn't one of them -- but George W. Bush had to get their seal of approval before he launched his presidential campaign.

Something had changed in the course of the 1990s. The fall of the Soviet Union that deprived conservatism of anti-communism as its core concept, the rise of the militia movement, the decay of the economy (temporarily covered over by the tech bubble), even the tobacco lawsuits that got corporations pumping money into electoral politics all shifted the balance of power in this country. I don't know just what went wrong -- and as long as we think of the Clinton administration as the last good years we're not likely to find out -- but this society went off the rails in a way that's only now catching up with us.

is today's GOP.

some pretty scary slogans. These groups - starting with the Birchers (Koch brothers) and the tea party have taken over the old republican party. They basically control it as we can see in who they elect to congress and how they control them. Even if the party wanted to separate themselves they cannot win without them.

They have to deny racism still exists because if it does they are guilty by association with the worst groups.

And they know it.

It's not just Republicans. Don't forget the "libertarians" and people like Rand Paul. Sometimes there IS just right and wrong. Republicans and libertarians are racist, pure and simple. Glad I'm in the right party.

They wanted the part about RW extremists removed. But, you're right - the Race War fuelers include radical reactionaries claiming to be libertarians, too.

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The Kochs were involved in it almost from the start, carrying over their Birch Society philosophy. Other early libertarians were or had connections with people who had been overt fascists in the 1930s. And Murray Rothbard in particular was kind of a dubious item with ties to both racism and holocaust revisionism. (See http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2010/07/murray-rothbard-lew-rockwell-and.html)

fvcking fascists.

I truly don't want the seriousness of this issue to be diminished. This is a WIDESPREAD mindset being pushed within the Republican Party and any groups who identify with the Republican Party. They count on corpmedia deflection from their mindset and their intentions.

do not realize.

It's not kook conspiracy. There are legitimate sources within government pointing out the agitators. It gets swept under the rug.

It's real, it's happening.

And don't forget BUNDY and his ranch. They got Feds to back down. And there are many other areas where rightwingers are doing exactly what Bundy did. Usurping public land for private gain.

In Medieval times, there were periods when the magnates and also the trained knights were unrestrained because of a weak central authority. It resulted in anarchy, civil war and devastation amongst the people.

Not keeping these people in check is going to spiral out of control.

The Federal Government MUST get its head out of its ass.

Zimmerman and this kid in SC are proof that we are already out of control or at least very close.

Lives and Justice MATTER.

The RW has been winning many little victories because GOP makes sure the public is deceived and misdirected. Corporate media dances most often to GOP tunes.

We are supposed to be here at DU to confront reality.

Was Charleston reality enough?

And that means taking aim at DU's truth tellers.

I think things are about to take one ugly turn after another.

Thanks for bringing this up again, blm!

I think that you've forgotten to post one of the most important sources to learn about who these bastard Sovereign Citizens actually are. The Southern Poverty Law Center has been tracking these fanatics for a long time ( a feat in itself, since they have no immediately identifiable organizational body and often go by obscure names that might appeal to disgruntled, disaffected, disenfranchised, unsuspecting people) and has noted the changes in their numbers and tactics over the decades.

Long ago, they began as one of the most racist and anti-semitic groups I've ever in my life dealt with and neo-nazi didn't even adequately describe their tenets, but, in order to keep such credos alive, their strategies have now evolved simply to increase their power in an insane desire to destroy government...any type of organized governing body.

Read the SPLC summary of what a problem these wackos have been and also be sure to read the related links in the right column, to see just how insidiously they've now spread.


Sovereign Citizens Movement

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/ideology/sovereign-citizens-movement


When I heard that Dylann Storm Roof had many Black friends listed as his FaceBook friends, the Sovereign Citizens is what immediately came to my mind.

these cretins mainstreaming their positions.

I wanted them to see GOP's role in it, too.

Thanks for linking to it.

The strange subculture of the sovereign citizens movement, whose adherents hold truly bizarre, complex antigovernment beliefs, has been growing at a fast pace since the late 2000s. Sovereigns believe that they — not judges, juries, law enforcement or elected officials — get to decide which laws to obey and which to ignore, and they don't think they should have to pay taxes. Sovereigns are clogging up the courts with indecipherable filings and when cornered, many of them lash out in rage, frustration and, in the most extreme cases, acts of deadly violence, usually directed against government officials. In May 2010, for example, a father-son team of sovereigns murdered two police officers with an assault rifle when they were pulled over on the interstate while traveling through West Memphis, Ark.

The movement is rooted in racism and anti-Semitism, though most sovereigns, many of whom are African American, are unaware of their beliefs' origins. In the early 1980s, the sovereign citizens movement mostly attracted white supremacists and anti-Semites, mainly because sovereign theories originated in groups that saw Jews as working behind the scenes to manipulate financial institutions and control the government. Most early sovereigns, and some of those who are still on the scene, believed that being white was a prerequisite to becoming a sovereign citizen. They argued that the 14th Amendment to the Constitution, which guaranteed citizenship to African Americans and everyone else born on U.S. soil, also made black Americans permanently subject to federal and state governments, unlike themselves.

The Sovereign Belief System
The contemporary sovereign belief system is based on a decades-old conspiracy theory. At some point in history, sovereigns believe, the American government set up by the founding fathers — with a legal system the sovereigns refer to as "common law" — was secretly replaced by a new government system based on admiralty law, the law of the sea and international commerce. Under common law, or so they believe, the sovereigns would be free men. Under admiralty law, they are slaves, and secret government forces have a vested interest in keeping them that way. Some sovereigns believe this perfidious change occurred during the Civil War, while others blame the events of 1933, when the U.S. abandoned the gold standard. Either way, they stake their lives and livelihoods on the idea that judges around the country know all about this hidden government takeover but are denying the sovereigns' motions and filings out of treasonous loyalty to hidden and malevolent government forces.


Much more great information at that link you provided. Thanks.

The truth angers the GOP and the powerful elites.

Recommended reading.

this and help people of goodwill win this battle. Corpmedia cannot be depended to portray the truth to any degree of accuracy. They help the GOP by covering up for them.

These groups are out there. We need to learn all we can about them, and share this information with all good people.

After all, they've been preparing for it for years. Gun sales since Obama took office have been through the roof.

Named as the single biggest domestic terror threat.

the votes from their RW base.

West Memphis, AR

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That was in 2009 - posted a link to it on another thread

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I think we need to demand the release of that report, as it was intended to be released and before GOP blocked it.

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and am reading it now. Great post and the responses show many people are aware of the problems, RW obstructionism and just plain apathy by many. We must get our heads extracted from our nether regions and start demanding, en masse, action against the racial hate groups, white congressional racists and media moguls and their personalities who are agitating for a 'race war' for dominance over all others not white, male and christian. It's gaining momentum, slowly, so as to not alarm the civil and decent populace. There is a method to their madness, but like 1933 nazi germany, we'll never see our hitler, either, until it's too late.

Good to be on the same serious ground with you. Always expected we'd get there at some point.