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closeupready

(29,503 posts)
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:35 PM Jun 2015

Does opposing the TPA mean I'm Hitler?

Someone actually said just that, verbatim, on another thread.

The reasoning went, if you oppose the TPA, you want poor people to suffer because you are robbing them of the chance to make a better wage and therefore, you are Hitler.

If the logic holds, what does that logic imply about stateside enterprises which pay minimum wage or less?

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Does opposing the TPA mean I'm Hitler? (Original Post) closeupready Jun 2015 OP
Link? NCTraveler Jun 2015 #1
The money quote was "say hi to Hitler and Vader." closeupready Jun 2015 #2
Here's the link: closeupready Jun 2015 #4
I alerted. BainsBane Jun 2015 #12
Thanks, I completely agree. MIRT job, IMO. closeupready Jun 2015 #13
Here's the link el_bryanto Jun 2015 #5
Thanks - we replied at the same time. closeupready Jun 2015 #8
Anyone who refers to someone as Hitler has lost the arguement. nt madinmaryland Jun 2015 #3
agreed. nt BainsBane Jun 2015 #6
well that's just batshit insane as well as stupider than dirt. cali Jun 2015 #7
Sure - see posts #4 and #5 here. closeupready Jun 2015 #10
Nice post, Voldemort! Coventina Jun 2015 #9
I trust you alerted on it. KamaAina Jun 2015 #11
Someone has done so - I just saw it briefly. closeupready Jun 2015 #17
The most rabid TPP propaganda pushers on internet forums come armed with never ending lists Elwood P Dowd Jun 2015 #14
That poster is also a gun nut. I wouldn't worry about it much. DanTex Jun 2015 #15
I generally support what I think the final TPP will do. But, I don't see those opposed as Hitler. Hoyt Jun 2015 #16
Most of us do not see any of this as about "America first". We see it as corporations over djean111 Jun 2015 #23
They've had the same "reign" in most agreements since 1959. I think that is just Hoyt Jun 2015 #25
thanks for posting proof of your claim: "Most in opposition are afraid they might msongs Jun 2015 #26
Poster has post after post going on libertarian bents. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #18
You ASKED for a link. Now you are seeking to punish me for doing so. closeupready Jun 2015 #20
Idiocracy has now officially arrived. RiverLover Jun 2015 #19
It appears you are a victim of TexasProgresive Jun 2015 #21
Jury spoke on the Hitler post. It was close 4-3 Hide neverforget Jun 2015 #22
Use this video as your guide rocktivity Jun 2015 #24
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
1. Link?
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:38 PM
Jun 2015

One, I will question the person who referred to you as Hitler. Second, I will happily alert someone calling other progressives Hitler, even if you don't wish it to be. Third, we can get this post that is simply talking about another duer out of here.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
7. well that's just batshit insane as well as stupider than dirt.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:41 PM
Jun 2015

and the asshat who said it knows shit about FTAs.

Hey, could you possibly pm me a link to that post?

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
17. Someone has done so - I just saw it briefly.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:44 PM
Jun 2015

Someone asked for a link, and it appears many noted that post, as well, so pretty sure he's a malicious intruder.

Cheers.

Elwood P Dowd

(11,443 posts)
14. The most rabid TPP propaganda pushers on internet forums come armed with never ending lists
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:43 PM
Jun 2015

of corporate talking points. In the real world though, the TPP they push is actually a form of Fascism. I doubt they even know or care. They have their marching orders from their repuke/Wall Street front groups, and they keep throwing the feces on the wall hoping some of it sticks.

“Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power”
― Benito Mussolini

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
16. I generally support what I think the final TPP will do. But, I don't see those opposed as Hitler.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:43 PM
Jun 2015

There is an element of America First, and screw trade with foreign countries, in SOME of the opposition I find disturbing.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
23. Most of us do not see any of this as about "America first". We see it as corporations over
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:56 PM
Jun 2015

countries. I doubt we would have any problem with the TPP if it just consisted of things like tariffs and trade between countries. But - it gives corporations reign over signatory countries. That is just wrong. Those poor Vietnamese farmers you love to try and guilt-trip with will be hurt just as much as American workers.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
25. They've had the same "reign" in most agreements since 1959. I think that is just
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 02:08 PM
Jun 2015

a minor issue for many. Most in opposition are afraid they might have to give up a nickel if some poor person gets a job in a foreign country.

msongs

(67,429 posts)
26. thanks for posting proof of your claim: "Most in opposition are afraid they might
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 02:17 PM
Jun 2015

have to give up a nickel if some poor person gets a job in a foreign country." oh, you didn't. never mind

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
18. Poster has post after post going on libertarian bents.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:46 PM
Jun 2015

I wouldn't get worked up over it. In the slightest. I mean, you aren't really asking a question here in honest. Just as their reply wasn't in honest. I find it hard to believe you are asking if your are Hitler. This is a callout. They still showed their colors on that one.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
20. You ASKED for a link. Now you are seeking to punish me for doing so.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:49 PM
Jun 2015

You should be ashamed of yourself.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
19. Idiocracy has now officially arrived.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:48 PM
Jun 2015

I don't even know where to start with that! TPA is anti-Democracy. It was created by Nixon to bypass the Democratic process in congress....And trade deals like the TPP only guarantee lower wages for every country involved. The misinformation on this is astounding.

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
21. It appears you are a victim of
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:54 PM
Jun 2015

Reductio ad Hitlerum as a result of Godwin's Law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
Godwin's Law (or Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies)[1][2] is an Internet adage asserting that "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1"[2][3]—​ that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler or Nazism.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum
Reductio ad Hitlerum, also argumentum ad Hitlerum (Latin for "reduction to Hitler", with Hitlerus serving as a Latinized form of Hitler's name), is a term coined by philosopher Leo Strauss in 1951.[1] According to Strauss, the Reductio ad Hitlerum is a humorous observation where someone compares an opponent's views with those that would be held by Adolf Hitler or the Nazi Party.

According to Strauss, Reductio ad Hitlerum is a form of ad hominem or ad misericordiam, a fallacy of irrelevance, in which a conclusion is suggested based solely on something's or someone's origin rather than its current meaning.[citation needed] The suggested rationale is one of guilt by association. Its name is a variation on the term reductio ad absurdum.

Reductio ad Hitlerum is sometimes called "playing the Nazi card." According to its critics and proponents, it is a tactic often used to derail arguments, because such comparisons tend to distract and anger the opponent.[2]


neverforget

(9,436 posts)
22. Jury spoke on the Hitler post. It was close 4-3 Hide
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:54 PM
Jun 2015

I was too dumbfounded by the reference to think of anything to say to something so stupid. I vote to HIDE.


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What does that have to do with the facts?
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