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meegbear

(25,438 posts)
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 02:58 PM Jun 2015

The Rude Pundit - Your Support of the Confederate Flag Makes You a Traitor

Once a year, every April 12, on the steps of the capitol buildings in all the states that seceded from the United States, the Confederate flag should be burned. The ceremony should be attended by all the legislators, all the state's Supreme Court justices, and the governor. Then, when the embers are dying, a black man or woman, chosen by lottery, should be brought up to piss on the ashes. Every year. Just to remind anyone who supports it what the value of the garbage flag is.

People who try to justify the display of the stars and bars of the Confederacy always try to say the same things: "It means something else to people" or "What about this symbol (usually something Muslim)? Should we ban that?" Well, sure. In that case, you could make a case to ban the cross because of all the times it was burned by KKK jerk-offs to intimidate black Americans.

The difference, though, is that the Confederate flag exists as a symbol only because a group of traitors tried to break up the United States because they wanted to keep on owning slaves. That's it. You can say it means something different to you; you can say it means "Southern pride" or some such bullshit, but you are at best ignorant, at worst a liar, probably both. It speaks volumes about how much power we give fools in this nation that the Confederate flag would still be seen as a valid expression of anything other than hatred for black people.

When you're white in the South, you are often tested by other whites. Do you think the South will rise again? What do you think about the Confederate flag? For most people, it's just a background thing that they don't notice until someone says, "Why the fuck is there a rebel flag on your hat?" You see it everywhere - on license plates, on t-shirts, on buildings, on motherfucking official government property, as if somehow, appeasing the fools is a noble goal. No. The noble goal is telling the fools to stop being foolish. Everything that "honors" anyone from the Confederacy, from the flag to the generals, should be wrecked.

Antebellum matron Lindsey Graham declared that the Confederate flag is "part of who we are." In that case, you may as well hang a noose from a flagpole in front of the statehouse in Columbia and call it your heritage. It'd be less dishonest than the rebel flag that's padlocked in place now.

Let's put this as clearly as possible: If you believe there is some good in the symbol of the Confederate flag, if you think that your nonsensical faith in your history is more important than what it means to the black people, then you are a traitor, like the traitorous bastards you're descended from. Dylan Roof is another traitor. He is your inheritance, Sons and Daughters of the Confederacy. His actions were because of you.

http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2015/06/your-support-of-confederate-flag-makes.html

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The Rude Pundit - Your Support of the Confederate Flag Makes You a Traitor (Original Post) meegbear Jun 2015 OP
K&R marym625 Jun 2015 #1
Ta-Nehisi Coates today gives a quote that should put that "just our heritage" argument to rest. enough Jun 2015 #2
Coates is a hell of a writer and has a razor-sharp mind. nt hifiguy Jun 2015 #5
Lemme just run that through the Foxinator gratuitous Jun 2015 #11
And there's more HassleCat Jun 2015 #3
big rec Doctor_J Jun 2015 #4
HUGE KNR! joeybee12 Jun 2015 #6
Kick and Rec SoapBox Jun 2015 #7
K&R..... daleanime Jun 2015 #8
I'm proud to say I don't know a single person that thinks that flag is anything but crap. erronis Jun 2015 #9
Agreed. BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2015 #71
Powerful words! swilton Jun 2015 #10
Excellent advise Rude 47of74 Jun 2015 #12
It should always, and only, be referred to as the traitor flag from now on on point Jun 2015 #13
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #21
"Dixie Swastika" Duppers Jun 2015 #14
Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #15
I call BULLSHIT shellinaya NoMoreRepugs Jun 2015 #19
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #22
For your edification LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #38
Wasn't it also on the Georgia STATE FLAG until recently? arcane1 Jun 2015 #46
Exactly. But the poster "never saw a single one" LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #47
Well, said poster could have been 14 and never left the basement n/t sarge43 Jun 2015 #53
Approved last year sarge43 Jun 2015 #43
Well, at least Texas isn't issuing those vile things. SunSeeker Jun 2015 #65
Do you have a vision impairment? mnhtnbb Jun 2015 #44
Nah, poster only had a lying impairment LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #48
The Confederacy was literally, as in they wrote it out, on paper, founded on slavery.... Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #20
I posted South Carolina's secession document today. It's 100% about slavery. arcane1 Jun 2015 #33
State's rights... state's rights... states's rights... Raster Jun 2015 #60
Yah, and there were black slave traders, too.. Big Deal! That was THEN and This is NOW! vkkv Jun 2015 #29
One of the "Six Flags Over Texas" is in-fact the Mexican flag Major Nikon Jun 2015 #49
There is no meaning separate from slavery. They wrote it down and spelled it out. arcane1 Jun 2015 #30
really? Duppers Jun 2015 #42
Gargantuan REC NoMoreRepugs Jun 2015 #16
The adoption by the Klan is what I find offensive One_Life_To_Give Jun 2015 #17
+1 I find broad-brush applications offensive. Do racists like to display the old dixie flag? jonno99 Jun 2015 #77
Simple minded nonsense AwareOne Jun 2015 #18
The title of your post salimbag Jun 2015 #23
Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #25
Good one! mnhtnbb Jun 2015 #45
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #24
The North has had to drag the South kicking and screaming into modernity geek tragedy Jun 2015 #31
Again, simple minded nonsense AwareOne Jun 2015 #37
Try "Lies My Teacher Told Me" and "Lies Across America" for starters. arcane1 Jun 2015 #39
Here's an excellent one to start AwareOne Jun 2015 #50
recounts the momentous episodes that preceded the Civil War: arcane1 Jun 2015 #51
There are hundreds of books written about geek tragedy Jun 2015 #58
The only "debate" over the Civil War is from those trying to rewrite history. arcane1 Jun 2015 #34
Bullshit. The difference is that between the late 1600's and 1861 is that the majority of the people LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #36
The confederate flag stands for oppression and injustice toward black people Rex Jun 2015 #40
So you said all that to say keep the confederate flag up? nt brush Jun 2015 #68
You forgot the sarcasm thingy - DIDN'T YOU? LiberalElite Jun 2015 #74
Strawman, no one said the flag made anyone do anything... it's a symbol of hate... that's it uponit7771 Jun 2015 #78
The WHITE FLAG of SURRENDER is the only VALID FLAG for the former Confederate States. vkkv Jun 2015 #26
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #27
Proper use of the Confederate flag: as a garbage bag. . . DinahMoeHum Jun 2015 #28
Toilet paper and fire kindling. nt geek tragedy Jun 2015 #32
Kick and rec! geardaddy Jun 2015 #35
Everytime I've seen the Confederate flag on a person being either in/on a truck or... BlueJazz Jun 2015 #41
Me too. Duppers Jun 2015 #59
Yes. I've spent quite a few years down here and I've come to the sad conclusion > BlueJazz Jun 2015 #62
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jun 2015 #52
The Confederate flag is an eye opener. sulphurdunn Jun 2015 #54
K&R mountain grammy Jun 2015 #55
K&R CharlotteVale Jun 2015 #56
Racism and Guns and Stupid Lazy Voters DrBulldog Jun 2015 #57
More on flags. chev52 Jun 2015 #61
"you may as well hang a noose from a flagpole in front of the statehouse..." SunSeeker Jun 2015 #63
K & R!!!!! Thespian2 Jun 2015 #64
Nikki Haley: TAKE DOWN THAT FLAG - Because Yes, You Can!! LovingA2andMI Jun 2015 #66
+1000 smirkymonkey Jun 2015 #67
facebook meme 90-percent Jun 2015 #69
Burn Notice Depaysement Jun 2015 #70
More so than the flags, are the battleground memorials that states pay for upkeep and honor guards Hestia Jun 2015 #72
This is a point I have made several times... world wide wally Jun 2015 #73
Yep. You who do this must face the question - "Why do YOU hate America?" calimary Jun 2015 #75
Hot Diggity-Dog! How I LOVE The Rude Pundit! calimary Jun 2015 #76
I worked in a flower shop in Glendale, California. C Moon Jun 2015 #79
This: CrispyQ Jun 2015 #80

enough

(13,260 posts)
2. Ta-Nehisi Coates today gives a quote that should put that "just our heritage" argument to rest.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 03:13 PM
Jun 2015

He quotes from the "Corner Stone Speech" by Alexander H. Stephens in Savannah, Georgia March 21, 1861, describing the foundations of the Confederacy:

"Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth."

Coates' article is here:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/06/take-down-the-confederate-flag-now/396290/

The Stephens Speech is here:
http://web.archive.org/web/20130822142313/http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/cornerstone-speech/

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
11. Lemme just run that through the Foxinator
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 04:12 PM
Jun 2015

"The negro is not equal to the white man."

{Foxinator whirs into life}: Inconclusive. Could mean just about anything. Maybe by "not equal" he means "superior." Could be, you know!

"Slavery subordination to the superior race is . . . natural."

{Foxinator whirs into life}: God did it, just like all those so-called dinosaur fossils. Can't fight against God, so there, you libruls!


 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
3. And there's more
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 03:29 PM
Jun 2015

That particular flag was just one of a number of confederate battle flags, until the Supreme Court ordered school desegregation in the 1950s. People who resisted school integration took up that flag and started to display it as a symbol of segregated public schools. Of course, they laid it on heavy with that "tradition" stuff but that's BS.

erronis

(15,314 posts)
9. I'm proud to say I don't know a single person that thinks that flag is anything but crap.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 04:09 PM
Jun 2015

I've lived in many states up and down, left and right, but none of my friends, acquaintances, or business associates would have anything to do with the hatred and stupidity that adherence to that tattered scrap of symbolism.

But then, most of the people I associate with are reasonably intelligent. Maybe some are NASCAR and NRA. Maybe some identify with the Republicans. I really feel sorry for intelligent people trapped in the South or trapped in geographic/familial situations where rationality is a dangerous concept.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
71. Agreed.
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 10:24 AM
Jun 2015

When I lived in the red boondocks of western NY state, I met quite a few of the spawn of idiocracy. Vile, ignorant, echo-chamber people.

Luckily there were also sane, smart liberals around, too.

on point

(2,506 posts)
13. It should always, and only, be referred to as the traitor flag from now on
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 04:24 PM
Jun 2015

Like to see all those constitution loving rw people reconcile that with their rhetoric.

Response to on point (Reply #13)

Response to meegbear (Original post)

NoMoreRepugs

(9,449 posts)
19. I call BULLSHIT shellinaya
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 04:36 PM
Jun 2015

when is the last time u ventured out from your basement to look around? Georgia no Confederate Flags? Black men fighting for the south - was that willingly or because they enjoyed being slaves vs free men?

Response to NoMoreRepugs (Reply #19)

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
46. Wasn't it also on the Georgia STATE FLAG until recently?
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 05:20 PM
Jun 2015

I will find out!

On edit: I was right:

The 1956 flag
The Georgian state flag that was used from 1956 to 2001 featured a prominent Confederate battle flag and was designed by Democrat John Sammons Bell, a World War II veteran and an attorney who was an outspoken supporter of segregation.[4] During its official usage as the state flag, some Georgian residents found it offensive and objectionable, due to its contemporary use as a symbol by various white supremacist groups.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Georgia_(U.S._state)#The_1956_flag

SunSeeker

(51,603 posts)
65. Well, at least Texas isn't issuing those vile things.
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 01:47 AM
Jun 2015
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/03/CSA4LIFE/388427/

And hopefully Georgia and the rest of the states that allow those vile plates will stop issuing them now that even this conservative Supreme Court says the state can say no.

mnhtnbb

(31,398 posts)
44. Do you have a vision impairment?
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 05:17 PM
Jun 2015

My husband's family is from Georgia. We can't visit that I don't see Confederate flags all over the place.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
20. The Confederacy was literally, as in they wrote it out, on paper, founded on slavery....
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 04:37 PM
Jun 2015

it was explicit in every secession document.

How people can argue otherwise is being purposefully disingenuous. The Confederate leaders were proud and thought they had both God and Justice on their side when they started to secede.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
29. Yah, and there were black slave traders, too.. Big Deal! That was THEN and This is NOW!
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 04:51 PM
Jun 2015

You also forgot to mention that without the Afric-Amer population in the U.S, we likely would have LOST World War II.

Texans sure as hell don't like Mexicans flying the Mexican Flag in Texas although Texas was part of Mexico.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
49. One of the "Six Flags Over Texas" is in-fact the Mexican flag
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 05:28 PM
Jun 2015

It's been that way for over 50 years and NOBODY in Texas complained about that flag until the xenophobic teabagger dipshits took over the Texas GOP.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
30. There is no meaning separate from slavery. They wrote it down and spelled it out.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 04:55 PM
Jun 2015

Any "meaning" other than slavery was derived after the war by people ashamed to admit its true purpose.

Duppers

(28,125 posts)
42. really?
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 05:16 PM
Jun 2015

I bet you can now see the those "rebel flags" on a good number of pickup trucks in Georgia...

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/state-regional-govt-politics/new-confederate-license-plate-brings-skirmishes/ndSjT/

And don't forget Georgia's state flag is modeled upon that confederate swastika, as Wiki states fact: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Georgia_(U.S._state)

This southern girl knows that the South is still a deeply troubled place even though much progress has been made. Just don't fool yourself.

NoMoreRepugs

(9,449 posts)
16. Gargantuan REC
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 04:33 PM
Jun 2015

from the Rude One..." You see it everywhere - on license plates, on t-shirts, on buildings, on motherfucking official government property, as if somehow, appeasing the fools is a noble goal."

I'm heading to the farm this weekend near the Ozarks - the Confederate flag is a fairly common sighting.

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
17. The adoption by the Klan is what I find offensive
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 04:34 PM
Jun 2015

Whatever associations it once held as Regimental Colors was completely obscured once the Klan co-opted the colors as a symbol. Since then it's history as an instrument of intimidation against citizens of this country should send it to the dustbin of history.

jonno99

(2,620 posts)
77. +1 I find broad-brush applications offensive. Do racists like to display the old dixie flag?
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 12:01 PM
Jun 2015

Definitely.

Does that mean that everyone who displays the flag is a racist? No. To suggest otherwise is being intellectually lazy.

btw - I don't have any roots in the south or the confederacy, so I don't have a dog in this fight so to speak. But, I don't have a lot of patience for those who look for ways to be offended - especially when no offense is intended.

iow - there are plenty of OVERT offenses which we should fight...

 

AwareOne

(404 posts)
18. Simple minded nonsense
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 04:35 PM
Jun 2015

You must realize that every argument that you make blaming the confederate flag for this latest massacre could just as easily be applied to the flag of the United States. Do you think the north is any less guilty for the institution of slavery than the south? This entire country was built on slavery and something like 13 or 14 of OUR presidents owned slaves. Why do date your indignation back to 1861? Why not take it back to Jamestown and condemn every American citizen ever for all the massacres, illegal wars and genocide committed under the banner of the United States. All americans are traitors according to your definition. We were born of a revolution, turning our back and firing on the flag of the mother country, England. Those "traitors" are what we call our founding fathers and our heroes.
The confederate flag did not murder those people, a crazy kid with a gun he got for his birthday did it and blaming it on an entire region of our country is not going to help stop it, its just throwing gas on a fire. I wish things were as simple as you make them out to be but they are not, its easy to rail against the confederate flag and reignite the debate over the civil war but its all just nonsense.

Response to salimbag (Reply #23)

Response to AwareOne (Reply #18)

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
31. The North has had to drag the South kicking and screaming into modernity
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 04:55 PM
Jun 2015

since the country was founded.

The racist, redneck, white supremacist troglodytes of 1950 Alabama were no more civilized than the racist, redneck, white supremacist troglodytes of 1850 Alabama.

In each case, it was at the point of guns wielded by non-Southerners that the shitheels in Dixie were forced to stop actively enslaving, lynching, and oppressing black people.

Confederate culture, the culture symbolized by the rebel battle flag, is a garbage culture of treasonous genocidalist bigots.

Its only proper uses are fire kindling and toilet paper.

P.S. Only racist assholes think there is a legitimate 'debate' over the Civil War. The South was evil, on par with Nazi Germany.

 

AwareOne

(404 posts)
37. Again, simple minded nonsense
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 05:07 PM
Jun 2015

tens of thousands of books have been written on the American Civil War, it is the most written about subject in American literature and still dozens of new books come out every year because it is such a complex issue. So I guess all those authors are just "racist assholes" and all the college professors and historians and park service guides and museum curators etc. all just by your definition "racist assholes". You should try reading a book yourself, in fact , read one a month for the next forty years and then come back and we can talk about the subject as equals.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
39. Try "Lies My Teacher Told Me" and "Lies Across America" for starters.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 05:11 PM
Jun 2015

Whitewashing the Civil War began almost immediately after the South lost it. And that includes history books, roadside markers, and museum exhibits.

Do you recommend any books, or is "read a book" just a slam?

 

AwareOne

(404 posts)
50. Here's an excellent one to start
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 05:29 PM
Jun 2015

James M.McPherson's Battle Cry of Freedom
It is part of the Oxford History of the United States and I rated it a ten on a scale of one to ten.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
51. recounts the momentous episodes that preceded the Civil War:
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 05:31 PM
Jun 2015

the Dred Scott decision, the Lincoln-Douglas debates, John Brown's raid on Harper's Ferry

So, slavery.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
58. There are hundreds of books written about
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 05:59 PM
Jun 2015

evolution and the Holocaust. That does not mean there is a "debate" about evolution or the Holocaust.

The South fought for the right to own black people as slaves. That is a fact, just as it is a fact that the Nazis committed genocide.

People who celebrate the flag of treason, slavery, and Jim Crow are racist assholes.

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
36. Bullshit. The difference is that between the late 1600's and 1861 is that the majority of the people
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 05:04 PM
Jun 2015

realized that owning other people is wrong. Those who still venerate the Confederate battle flag never learned that lesson and it marks them as ignorant racists. People like the shooter use flags such as it, and those of Rhodesia and apartheid era S. Africa as symbols of their hatred and racism.

The comparison of the Confederate battle flag with the American flag because both were traitors is misguided; the apt comparison is to the Nazi flag because both were hateful, racist murderers.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
40. The confederate flag stands for oppression and injustice toward black people
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 05:14 PM
Jun 2015

so you can pretend it is innocent as the driven snow all you want to. All that yak just to defend a crappy flag that stood and still stands for slavery!

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
74. You forgot the sarcasm thingy - DIDN'T YOU?
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 11:24 AM
Jun 2015

and if this wasn't sarcasm, enjoy your stay. It will not be long.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
26. The WHITE FLAG of SURRENDER is the only VALID FLAG for the former Confederate States.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 04:46 PM
Jun 2015

oooooooh! It white! We like! Uh-HyucK !!

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
41. Everytime I've seen the Confederate flag on a person being either in/on a truck or...
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 05:14 PM
Jun 2015

...worn as a tee-shirt or on a hat, I think "ignorant-hick".

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
62. Yes. I've spent quite a few years down here and I've come to the sad conclusion >
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 06:56 PM
Jun 2015

"Some of those "Good Ol' Boys" will kill you"

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
54. The Confederate flag is an eye opener.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 05:35 PM
Jun 2015

It should serve to remind every American that while the armed rebellion ended at Appomattox Courthouse the Civil War did not. It should serve to remind them that the republic remains in danger from those who champion property rights above human rights or claim the latter right should depend entirely upon property ownership and upon group identity. The South needs not rise again. It never fell. Today the war is fought within the states rather than between them.

 

DrBulldog

(841 posts)
57. Racism and Guns and Stupid Lazy Voters
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 05:47 PM
Jun 2015

Just three more of the lunacies in our nation piled atop the world's tallest mountain of stupidity that we bury ourselves in and shames us all.

 

chev52

(71 posts)
61. More on flags.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 06:08 PM
Jun 2015

I don't take much stock in flags. One of the finest men I knew was a southern boy from Mississipi who had a rebel flag in his bedroom. And I'm here to say he wasn't a racist. That might have had something to do with his living quiet a few years of his life in the North, not sure, but he was open minded and liked anyone who liked him and didn't try to screw him over, black or white. But still, the flag was part of his heritage. I've met many a yankee flying the stars and stripes that are pure, died in the wool a holes and racists to boot.

SunSeeker

(51,603 posts)
63. "you may as well hang a noose from a flagpole in front of the statehouse..."
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 11:05 PM
Jun 2015

Exactly. Not all items of history or "heritage " should be celebrated.

Thespian2

(2,741 posts)
64. K & R!!!!!
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 11:24 PM
Jun 2015

Of course the Pundit is once again correct...

I have to disagree with Lindsey "Another mint Julep*, please" Graham...I was born and raised in Atlanta...that fucking, racist Stars and Bars flag has not. one. damn. thing to do with who I am...So, Graham, fall on you fainting couch and put your right wrist to your forehead...


*a sweet flavored drink made from a sugar syrup, sometimes containing alcohol or medication.

Lindsey's has too much medication in it...

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
66. Nikki Haley: TAKE DOWN THAT FLAG - Because Yes, You Can!!
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 02:44 AM
Jun 2015
How can South Carolina's Governor Nikki Haley remove the State's Symbol of Hate, the Confederate Flag from its' Capitol Grounds immediately? By Issuing an Executive Order.

Any Governor in America's 50 States has the Right to Issue an Executive Order, regardless to what the state law says. In fact, in clear defiance of South Carolina's Complied State Laws to be exact.

"Executive orders as issued by the governor are not laws, but do have the same binding nature. Executive orders are usually based on existing constitutional or statutory powers of the Governor and do not require any action by the state legislature to take effect.
Executive orders are numbered sequentially for a calendar year and may address agency closings due to inclement weather, may call the legislature into special session, may address county or city officials who have violated their elected positions."
http://dc.statelibrary.sc.gov/handle/10827/22


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90-percent

(6,829 posts)
69. facebook meme
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 08:15 AM
Jun 2015

Saw one by occupydemocrats that said the flag (confederate swastika - good one!) was not officially used during the civil war and was not flown at any southern state capital in the 19th century. It became popular in the 20th century because the KKK adopted it and flew it at all their picnics.

As Johnny Carson would say; "I did not know that!."

-90% Jimmy

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
72. More so than the flags, are the battleground memorials that states pay for upkeep and honor guards
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 10:41 AM
Jun 2015

each year "glorifying" our "illustrious past," that should all be torn down.

You see many more battlefield markers driving down the highway than flags. You see areas that have landscaping, pavilions and meditation gardens at these battlefields. Here, the state seems to commission a new area each year.

This is blood worship because what else can you call it?

The markers should be torn down, the marble smoothed or destroyed, and then turned into parks for everyone, not just the people who glorify and wallow in blood. Make them places of peace rather than war.

This blood worship becomes a symbol, always there to remind everyone, that people died defending a lost cause. So why in the world are we allowing monuments and altars to blood worship?

To me this includes all war memorials, no matter what year it happened. War is a bloody business, people killed either for ideology or plundering of resources (both). We learn from the histories of war but why are we putting up altars of worship at them?

Cemeteries are totally different - they have their place.

world wide wally

(21,749 posts)
73. This is a point I have made several times...
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 11:11 AM
Jun 2015

We once fought a war against this flag... and we won. That means to drop your loyalty to a foreign power that once tried to destroy the USA.
So, get over it and become part of the "United" States once and for all

calimary

(81,383 posts)
76. Hot Diggity-Dog! How I LOVE The Rude Pundit!
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 11:50 AM
Jun 2015

How many times does this guy say what I'm feeling? How many times! Can't count that high...

Let's put this as clearly as possible: If you believe there is some good in the symbol of the Confederate flag, if you think that your nonsensical faith in your history is more important than what it means to the black people, then you are a traitor, like the traitorous bastards you're descended from. Dylan Roof is another traitor. He is your inheritance, Sons and Daughters of the Confederacy. His actions were because of you.

This essay is worth it - even if only for this: "Antebellum matron Lindsey Graham" !!!!!!!!!! OMG!!!!!! NAILED IT!!!!!!

C Moon

(12,219 posts)
79. I worked in a flower shop in Glendale, California.
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 01:32 PM
Jun 2015

My boss was an overweight ex-Seabee who was from the south—I believe it was Mississippi.
He drove a vehicle around town on which he had a small confederate flag displayed in the back window.

One morning he came into work slamming doors and cussing—pissed off.

He sat down on the stool at the front of the shop (where he always sat to try and catch people walking in 1 minute after 8am); when asked what was wrong, he said he was pulled over by a black Glendale police officer, probably for speeding, and the police officer made him remove the flag from his back window.

Not legal, I know, but I was sure beaming inside.

CrispyQ

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80. This:
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 02:24 PM
Jun 2015
It speaks volumes about how much power we give fools in this nation that the Confederate flag would still be seen as a valid expression of anything other than hatred for black people.


The state flags that have the symbol in them, should also be banned.
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