Good for Moore!

notice RW are screaming attack on religious freedom - nothing on the political assassination

despite the culprit's own admission to that effect, both to the police and to his own victims.

Republicans, of course, are the same people doing everything legally possible (and then some) to squash the African American community's celebrated Souls to the Polls drive.

I pray and trust these deaths will create a tsunami of souls to the polls next year.

minorities to vote - their Talking Points cannot accommodate a discussion on racism - it is their way of life.

seriously…

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026864997

I can't say I blame McCocaine and the Orange man though; the report, after all, referred to their base, and they can't very well go around annoying them now can they.

We always forget off years that have many state wide elections that are more localized that are just as important and actually more so.

The voting booth has always been the best protector of minorities in any part of the world.

Which is why fascists in all parts of the world - including today's GOP - are always in such a hurry to deprive them of it.

The author of this thread "adenoid hynkel"? I do so adore Chaplin.

yeoman, every election requires we who call ourselves progressive to line up at the voting booths, to speak truth to power, and we must also rid our congress of every politician who seeks only the approval of some greedy billionaire.

SO and I were talking about that last night.

They didn't want to piss off their voting base.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026864997

we MUST.

These groups are far more organized on the internet, too. Think of them as American ISIS.

Charleston pastor Clementa fought for police body cameras
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026866588


Murdered Senator Clementa Pinckney Made This Haunting Speech About Walter Scott
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026865825

killing was a message to every black man, woman and child. And yes it helped that the pastor was also a Senator. But it would have been the same message even if he was not there.

assassination does two wrong things as a descriptor.

1) It focuses the attention on one man...
2) Blurs the definition of assassination... I don't think the killer had the foggiest clue who would be there and assassination is a deliberate killing of a prominent person.

sP

And the senator was there all the time.

Very likely he knew who was there. The killer came in, sat and did surveillance to make sure of the targets, and then murdered them.

You are correct, it was terrorism. It may also have been a targeted political assassination.

These are not mutually exclusive.

both as he shot the victims and as he spoke later to the police. He wanted everyone to know his reasons, yet he never mentioned the state senator as a state senator or an activist, so I suspect he really didn't know. He doesn't seem to be all that bright or well-informed. He obviously got his information only from the rightwing racist echo chamber.

Seriously--how many people have any clue at all of who the members are of their state legislatures--or even their county commissioners or their city's mayor--are? Heck most people don't even know who their national congressmen or senators are.

BTW, even if he asked for the reverend specifically, that could just be because he was attacking this famous black church, and he wanted to make sure he got the leader of the church.

between the murder of the Senator who had made a haunting speech against racism, and ... well, his racism! They must be desperate to divert attention from the right-wing, political assassination angle.

And I sure hadn't heard it put that way.

if not the bad guys win .

time to act...

oh wait, he does not mean we small indies. Carry on. (I agree with him)

Act of terrorism, sure.

But assassination presumes the senator was a main target by dint of being a state senator. Everything I've read indicates the senator was not specifically targeted.

I like Michael; I really do, but I can't agree on that point.

It well may have been. But all we know right now was that Roof wanted to stir up fear and hatred by killing black people. Was the choice of church intentional? Very likely. Was the choice of individual targets intentional? Totally different question. We don't know that he was targeting a State Senator for assassination versus targeting whatever pastor and parishioners he could get to versus targeting whoever happened to be inside. Whether or not it eventually proves to be true, we don't need to start with unfounded allegations.

Not sure it was assassination. Usually assassination is the intentional killing of a prominent person. I doubt that asshole even knew who he was killing, but I'v been gone all day and don't know what's been reported.

The church had extreme historical significance, but did the terrorist know who he was killing?

I don't want to see the racism component minimized...it already is being massaged by right wingers...

It can be an act of terror AND an assassination. Roof asked for Pinckney by name upon entering the church. Pinckney was clearly Roof's main target. I think Roof saw Pinckney as a leader of the African American community there and wanted to target him so the shooting spree would have maximum impact.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/charleston-shooting-gunman-allegedly-survivor-inside-church/story?id=31872085

Focus should be on the fact that this was a deliberate attack on black people specifically because they were black.

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It was a racist attack, plain and simple. For you or anyone else to think you can read Roof's mind is mind-numbingly narcissistic.

And where you get 'right-wing opinion' from 'racist attack' is similarly unbelievable.
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for that reason. He thought killing a black state senator would start a race war.

Not so much that he was extreme in politics. So what's more likely: that Roof targeted Pinckney because he was a black pastor or because he was a senator?

Moore's remark is dumb.
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cause enough black outrage to start it. Michael Moore is right and NOBODY is saying the killer not a racist!

Does this mean the other 8 victims were assassinated? Or that they don't count as much as a Senator's life?

There is enough opportunism surrounding this tragedy. It was a racist attack, plain and simple.
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The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"[/center][/font][hr]

It was a big deal with Gabby Giffords was shot. Granted she was a US Congresswoman, but the death of any political figure should be cause for alarm black or white.

What else you gonna call it?

propaganda related hate. If it was primarily about the Senator then he could have killed just the pastor. And his stated reasons were about racism and starting a race war. For that he had to kill everyone except a witness. If it were just about the Senator he could have left 8 witnesses.

attack on the State, as well as eight other people.

That is a separate crime.

Also, WAS he acting alone?

If this was a Muslim eg, this whole investigation would be reporter VERY differently. Everyone he ever talked to, especially other Muslims, would have been hauled in for questioning by now.

But I have not seen any suggestion that this was anything but someone acting alone, and there has been little reference to the fact that it was not just an assault on the African American community but on the State itself.

Terror, Assassination, there would be talk of connections to ISIS etc.

The fact is this was a Terror Attack, it WAS a racist attack and it was an Assassination of a State Senator.

And it is more than possible he did not act alone. Are they investigating any connections he might have had with any of those Right Wing terror groups eg?

Doing so trivializes the life of the other victims and detracts from the fact it was a hate crime by a despicable racist. The other eight people who died matter as much as the state senator. Shifting the conversation towards the murder of the senator will take the focus off the underlying problem which is the rampant racism that stil exists in this country. I wish we woud start holding the RW media responsible for fanning the flames of hatred. This stuff does not happen in a vacuum. It is the result of years of conditioning and brain washing by irresponsible RW media.

takes the focus off it being a racist mass murder.

Racism and Assassination is entangled in this debate and it’s wonderful to see this debated on DU in the Internet in a form the mainstream media does avoid…

My take on this is an accumulation of confusion to our social structure over the last century. My argument shows the reason and the imbalance in our Constitution.

It is a stressful issue about elected officials that double as members of the clergy. A very important reason our founders wanted to avoid the church ruling society. This church leadership is the very quality that is prominent in the European culture that ascends to tyranny.

Fact is our first amendment states separation of church and state. However, the Constitution says a citizen should not be measure about religious believe. Does that mean those who serve the church not should not serve public?

The right wing radio in the Chicago area via Limbaugh or Mark Levin, Michael Savage, Glen Beck, and a huge list of others are special news hit squads targeting or simply put are predator hate radio political teams.

Many of the rhetoric witnessed is out right sedition…America is witness to the effects of hate based broadcasting in other parts of the country.



They have been an embarrassing social combination of wicked abuse in social humanity. For years spewing lies and hatred to a point that makes an individual embittered to take caustic actions that appear as unnatural selection like taking the life in spectacular demonic dramatic actions. As in open public murder…

That is defiantly the media used for racism…Bush and Cheney are the star performers to finance the appropriate entities and profiteer all the while increasing sedition, crime, torture, hatred, gay phobia, and a racial divide not only in America but in the world.