...Bernie's is REAL

Executive action.

as if they are comparable?

Sure, the last 7 years have proved them sadly mistaken, but at the time, they thought they were getting a Bernie-like candidate.

Bernie just like she lost to Obama? The two guys are not the same, so why is is that Hillary's politics are being prognosticated as if they were the same dude.

since then and a lot more WTF comments she has made.

wonder why so many of DU constatnly raise that as a good point of argument?

and it is just as exciting to have Sanders against Goliath this round. Not very complicated at all.

And I agree, Sanders is not Obama, and Obama is not Pippy Longstockings, and Sanders is not racist.

Obama ran on his civic organizer creds. Governed from the stock exchange.

--imm

but they all seemed close enough.

I didn't care who won because they were all so similar.

Democrats still support Obama.

thought was a long shot. We watched him draw large crowds wherever he went. We watched his numbers slowly rise despite the odds. And we supported him knowing he might not win but that he seemed to talk about the issues we wanted to hear about. And he talked about them in plain language not catch phrases. And we hung in there - we did not let the other candidates distract us.
We worked for him in anyway we could.

Someone above talked about how Bernie cannot possibly resonate with the poor. I am poor. That idea is insulting to the poor. It separates us from all the rest of you. Do you really think that improvement in the nations economic mess will not effect us? Bernie talks about stopping the cuts to social programs by raising taxes on the rich. Bingo - my means of support - food stamps - is effected. He talks about protecting social security. No more talk about raising the age of eligibility. We the poor are not some other entity that are isolated by what is happening around us.

He also does not talk about these issues in a way that leaves hedge room if later he wants to change his mind. The talks clearly about the issues and yes, he does have solutions. What he does not do is give us a false promise that HE can do this all by himself. He tells us point blank - we can do these things together by mobilizing for change.

Unfortunately people retreated to their couches or computer chairs with their popcorn and their outrage that magical changes weren't happening according to their individual wishes.

Most likely there is going to be a lot of this when Bernie gets elected. He is going to take a beating by some of the very same people who now claim to support him so enthusiastically.

Some people like to build, some people just like to tear down.

Once elected, his message was 'agitate for the things I want, not the things you need'. He wanted people to simply follow wherever he led, and where he led was to the right.

You owe us everything all at once, now produce or we will sit home. And too many did.

Which gave the baggers the in they needed which leads to the terrible mess we have now.

useful done? After he farted around talking bipartisanship at every turn, and sitting back and letting Congress waste all sorts of time, rather than working to actually push things through?

Yeah, it's shocking that that would piss anyone off. Who could have ever expected that to be a turnoff for people who voted him in in hopes that he would change anything.

That he wanted to see the President fail. What a nice playing field to enter in as a new minted President. A racist asshole as the opposition with his trolly entourage of even more racist ignorant assholes.

This is not Obama farting around, this is McConnell and the Repuglicans and the fake Democrats farting around. I could give you long lists of what Obama managed to accomplish despite this unprecedented opposition that smacked so hard of outward racism, but I won't because it won't matter to you.

He did amazing things considering the extremists on all sides stabbing him in the back at every chance.

Obama has changed a lot for the better, but I understand you can't accept that.

Just wasting time.

That is so repugnant and insulting I can't say what I am thinking right now.

after she is elected.

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He cannot do it unilaterally. Neither could Obama.

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Is he going to punch every Republican until they vote for his policies?

Oh yes, that Purple Place of Compromise. Guess which side will do all the compromising.

I expect the next Democratic President will mainly be there to hold the line against Tea Party nuttiness, execute executive power as much as they can, and nominate sane people to the courts.

This fantasy of a transformative Sanders Presidency is fantasy, and that's assuming he could ever get elected in the generals, which is a stretch, IMO.

Of course, I think he'll be pasted in the primaries, but that's another matter.

reform or Glass-Steagell. That is how centrists get things done.

And thats how you get shit done. Thats what he means when he speaks of a grassroots revolution.
I see momentum building. We are moving left exponentially.

Unless he has the votes in Congress, the "mandate" will mean nothing. You think Ted Cruz and his ilk will just acquiesce to Bernie's agenda because he has a "mandate?"

Of course, I guess you could argue that the kind of election it would take for Bernie to actually get elected would transform Congress... but I guess that's one reason I don't think he'd be a great nominee... I don't think that's in the cards just yet.

If Congress won't let anyone get anything done, then what are we disagreeing and fighting about?

No, I can't accept that. I think that Bernie has a much stronger position to make change. He engages his audience, Clinton engages the power brokers who run rough shod over Bernie's audience. There is a huge difference in who is appealing to whom. Bernie can start that revolution he speaks of. Clintons have already started their revolution in the 1990s and what they did to us via Glass Steagal and Welfare Reform and many other juicy things the powers thanks them for to this very day.

especially when it comes to Hillary and her polling data?

It doesn't make sense to me, does it to you? If so, why...what am I missing?

against the previous two.

you haven't seen that comparison thrown out on almost every single Hillary thread?

I'm fed up with both of them.

...for things I didn't/don't like.

On the "vote for a Republican" thing, a few of the people in my voting history have turned out to be right-wing.

This is exactly how I feel. I will never vote republican or republican lite again. I will not vote for Hillary because it will be politics as usual.

I personally cannot believe the support for Hillary here. One look at who is financing her campaign was enough for me...banks and big corp....she will not bite the hands that feeds her. Any speech from her about saving the middle class, more jobs, going after the banks...will be just lip service. She is simply not a believable candidate.

I have had enough politics as usual and Bernie's message is the only one one that speaks to ME and that I can relate to. If you think any great change will come under Clinton, you are going to be sorely disappointed.

This isn't uniquely Sanders, Hillary, O'Malley, or even political. What Obama did in 08 was amazing and inspiring on so many levels. Everyone knows that and many want to feel it is happening again. Not one person in our current field will be able to emulate what Obama did. They are just too different. That's not to say they can't rise to the same level of name recognition and support. Everyone wants to hitch their horse to a winner.

so tell us, who does have the fix on income inequality?

Oh, did you really mean that what you think of Bernie should be any sort of deciding factor for everyone else? Bwah!

By the way, the conflation thing started with someone conflating Bernie with Ron Paul. What's conflation for the goose is conflation for the gander. Or - if ya can't take the conflationing, stay out of the conflation kitchen. Or something like that.

I am just trying to get one person to explain why the previous Obama/Hillary race, is just like the Bernie/Hillary race.

Why are so many Bernie supporters trying to imply that polling number for both races are comparable?

Lots of Bernie supporters trying to insult and belittle me on this thread, not one coming up with the a possible reply to the question in the OP.

she wasn't, or responding to the meme that Bernie is analogous to Ron Paul.

No race is "just like" another race, and a lot of people do not base their support on polling numbers and wads of money, so there is push-back. No candidate is perfect, we all embraced the "don't be a purist" directive, and, really, this is some supporters taking potshots at other supporters, as if they really think the actual issues do not matter.

People like David a lot more than Goliath, generally. Or they should.

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The poor don't turn out to vote in droves.

How is that not a solution?

He's different from Hillary too.

Have you explored his site and read through his plans? Just curious, since you've written such an emotion-laden, divisive, and just downright ugly post.

interesting you should read my question as ugly. Asking for clarification is ugly? Or you just don't like Bernie's constituency here on DU, being questioned?

What has this place come to when you can't troll a candidate's supporters without getting blowback.

that was interesting and funny.

If you truly care about intelligent discourse, you would have written your post that way.

Always remember that what you send out into the universe is reflected back to you in the same way.

I'm not going to harp on the usual excuses about name recognition and money, but it's undeniable Sanders' message resonates well with hoi polloi, and the big thing about hoi polloi is that there are...polloi of them. Energizing the disaffected masses could very, very easily be an effective election strategy because by definition they are the biggest bloc, by far, in the nation. If we Venn diagrammed everyone then "not rich" and "not voting/caring about politics" as an intersection would be a towering section outweighing all others.

So far so good. He gets people perking up and listening like no other. Now can he build the kind of machine that stays in toiuch with them, periodically amps them back up to caring again, and above all translate that caring into registering to vote and actually doing so, even in primaries? If yes, his populism will achieve success never seen before. If not, and his support remains among only the current politically involved and interested, it is essentially impossible for him to pull away enough support from Clinton to be nominated, let alone overcome the Koch/CU money machine and be elected.

President Obama is a very different person and a far stronger candidate compared to Senator Sanders

Why is this mud slinging necessary if Hilary is so confident?

I can't speak for others who did talk it up. Just as I can't speak for Bernie supporters who have nothing to add to a thread except that "Hillary is a monster". The mudslinging is not necessary regardless of the confidence one has in their candidate. Have you read the responses up thread. Many have been demeaning and belittling...and I don't understand why a discussion has to devlolve in that direction?

I also don't understand how that smearning, demoralizing chatter amongst Dem supporters and the Dem candidates, helps defeat the "R" in the upcoming elections. For me, that is the ultimate bottom line...keeps any "R" out of the Whitehouse. Trying to build up the candidate of their choice by trying to smear another candidate in the same party just doen't make sense to me.

Bernie actually does what he says he will.

There is a large half of this that is ignored in furtherance of the Obama narrative which is that Obama didn't just win in 2008--Hillary lost in 2008 and a large driver of that wasn't just pro-Obama but a lot of Democrats, a lot of people in general, are anti-Clinton, anti-everything-she-stands-for.

They didn't just support Obama, they also (and sometimes more-so) opposed Hillary...they still oppose Hillary. They look to 2008 not because they see Obama in Sanders but because Hillary is something akin to Democratic Sauron and 2008 is the narrative that evil can be defeated.

..he leaves the comfort of his Northern safe blue States, and heads into the very Red Midwest, North & South Dakota, Idaho, Wyoming, Oklahoma, Texas, Arizona, and the deep Southern States?

I have no idea, but the it's a question worth considering since he is a serious contender, as his supporters claim.
Just curious about the changing dynamics of geography.

He's laid out his plans rather succinctly.

turd way pretenders combined.

your response lacks..........everything

sure, that's the case, but good luck getting any "fix" through both (or either) legislative houses while the GOP runs them.

in 2016-2017, ANY Democratic president is going to walk into the white house with at least 1 hand tied. thanks to radical rw gerrymandering, there's really no way Democrats can win back the house of reps before 2022, and it might take until 2030.

We've seen how many of Obama's policies were stymied.....and they were pretty moderate in comparison to what Bernie wants to do.

I guess it's what Bernie supporters know how to do when they can't formulate a response. In fact there are several of these not so unique or clever one liners on this thread.

thanks for bumping.

Something about TPA, TPP and the rest of the vile bill we aren't even allowed to read?

The illusion which exalts us is dearer to us than ten thousand truths. (Pushkin)

But not for the reasons you think.

Real voters care about issues, not popularity. Real voters vote for issues in all elections, not just elections their celeb candidate is participating in.

Fan culture and political activism don't mix.

Goofus sells his country to the highest bidders.
Gallant cares about his country and doesn't use it as a bargaining chip for personal gain.