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whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 09:52 PM Jun 2015

What are we doin here?

Seems like this party is in trouble. If DU is any indication we are fractured, ideologically and spiritually. Yeah, we'll all do just about anything to keep a republican out of office, but that's about it. From where I stand, little else unifies us anymore. Fast-track corporate trade deals, endless war, insane wealth disparity, government spying... not cool with me, but apparently I'm a leftist pout pony. Gotta say this Sanders/Clinton split is deep and illuminating. I'm not sure if shit is ever gonna be the same...

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What are we doin here? (Original Post) whatchamacallit Jun 2015 OP
Interesting/scary times for sure! We all need to pull together! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2015 #1
There is a split. The money of the party on one side and the soul on the other. morningfog Jun 2015 #2
I suggest getting involved with your local party. PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #3
It's not a new split. nt LWolf Jun 2015 #4
I know, but this is the most alienated I've ever felt from the party whatchamacallit Jun 2015 #5
The alienation increases LWolf Jun 2015 #8
I'm here to kill time...If I thought I was accomplishing more than that I would check myself. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #6
DU is no indication of anything in the real world, imo... Spazito Jun 2015 #7
Yup. Agschmid Jun 2015 #17
There aren't many Dems here anymore LordGlenconner Jun 2015 #9
Right, people who continued to believe in traditional democratic values whatchamacallit Jun 2015 #10
Yeah, I remember my first beer too, kid LordGlenconner Jun 2015 #11
Whatever LPT whatchamacallit Jun 2015 #13
Unconditionally well put brother. Now what the fuck is there to be done about it? seveneyes Jun 2015 #20
DU doesn't represent reality. Don't take it seriously and you'll be fine. Lil Missy Jun 2015 #12
Relax: NOTHING stays the same LiberalElite Jun 2015 #14
We're doing the same thing we've always done here FlaGatorJD Jun 2015 #15
Maybe it's time liberals and progressives leave the Party? Maedhros Jun 2015 #16
I know seveneyes Jun 2015 #18
+1 appalachiablue Jun 2015 #21
Having some fun. lovemydog Jun 2015 #19
 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
2. There is a split. The money of the party on one side and the soul on the other.
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 09:57 PM
Jun 2015

The money is god in US politics. Above all else, even in the Democratic Party. Sad but true. This primary is laying it bare.

I just hope that Bernie starts aggressively going after Hillary. He'll never make up the ground he needs to until he calls her part of the billionaire class and really calls her the embodiment of the problem by name. He needs to go negative if he is serious about winning. We're losing time.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
3. I suggest getting involved with your local party.
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 09:57 PM
Jun 2015

Help to build your local leaders of today who can become the national leaders of tomorrow. Start at the ground and it will help give you hope. There are a ton of amazing Democrats right in your back yard.

That's my $.02. Take it or leave it, I guess.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
8. The alienation increases
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 10:08 PM
Jun 2015

every time another neo-liberal is nominated and/or elected.

That's what has allowed our nation to move so far off track; our party's willingness to move off the path of social and economic justice for all in order to "win" elections.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
6. I'm here to kill time...If I thought I was accomplishing more than that I would check myself.
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 09:59 PM
Jun 2015

I have met a few cool people.

Spazito

(50,453 posts)
7. DU is no indication of anything in the real world, imo...
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 10:04 PM
Jun 2015

It is simply one of a multitude of political sites where a relatively few political junkies, including myself, like to hang out and whinge, laugh, fight, occasionally learn something new and use a crap load of smilies to punctuate whatever point is being made or lost.

 

LordGlenconner

(1,348 posts)
9. There aren't many Dems here anymore
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 10:09 PM
Jun 2015

It's mostly greens, marxists, socialists, libertarians and even a few anarchists sprinkled in.

It's basically a Mos Eisley cantina for people who hate establishment politics of any kind, but especially establishment Dems.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
10. Right, people who continued to believe in traditional democratic values
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 10:13 PM
Jun 2015

while folks like you became republicans without noticing.

Lil Missy

(17,865 posts)
12. DU doesn't represent reality. Don't take it seriously and you'll be fine.
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 10:16 PM
Jun 2015

The truth is that the totality of DU members represent a spit in the ocean compared to the total Democratic electorate, and couldn't make the slightest dent in the outcome of the primaries or the election.

FlaGatorJD

(364 posts)
15. We're doing the same thing we've always done here
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 10:27 PM
Jun 2015

or at least as far as I remember, but the overall tone is angrier,
and the rapid devolution of the level of civil discourse is too bad.

The Sanders/Clinton split is deep, but having survived the same angst
in prior primaries, I feel we'll do better than you might expect.
Let's hope so.

Here's what I posted in May about the 2004 primaries,
and our lack of unity then:

Deja Vu: It's Starting to Feel Like 2004 Around Here Again
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026613629

I like socialist over leftist, so I guess I'm socialist pout pony, if that's what
they call folks that aren't cool with your list, that's what I am too.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
16. Maybe it's time liberals and progressives leave the Party?
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 11:21 PM
Jun 2015

If the Party won't listen to us, why should be keep banging our heads against the wall?

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
19. Having some fun.
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 11:29 PM
Jun 2015

Passing some time. Occasionally getting inspiration or knowledge or laughs with cool people. The rest is static.

I agree that we're fractured spiritually or organically or whatever one calls it. The ideological splits in the democratic party, I believe, have always been there throughout its bizarre history.

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