just to shine a light onto how goddamn insane the hysterics over TPP have gotten.

Edited to add: I knew GD wouldn't let me down!

I was not the alerter. I was one of the 'Hide' votes on the jury.

-app

I know you're enjoying the gloat, but sorry if I can't provide much angst to satisfy you.

People who see the TPP and think "Hitler" are . . . the kind of people I hope don't own firearms.

that was disgusting

in front of them.

You know those wingnuts that compared Obamacare to slavery?

Same difference here

Carrying on that sort of derogatory conversation about other DUers IS disgusting. And that was the sole purpose of your OP. Too bad you are proud of it.

The OP's excerpted text:

I understand why you are probably offended by this OP. It's your right. That doesn't make people opposed to the TPP crazy,

But, leaving Hitler out of the discussion is probably a good idea to argue against it.

It's not like the very definition of fascism is the complete merging of corporate and state power and interests.

And it's not like the top government executive and putative leader of one party (Obama) didn't suddenly find himself quite able to work with a vast majority of the other party, on this one corporate issue after basically six years of this same Repub majority basically calling him the N-word over and over.

And it's not like Obama and the Repubs and the spineless Dems too all bent over for this corporate coup despite some rousing opposition from the grass roots.

And it's not like a near total corporate media blackout of the TPP, TPA, and the details of these 'agreements' made even generating awareness into a major battle.

Oh, wait, it was exactly like all that.

Think I'll go oil the guns...

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This happens so often, even on this board. Of course the OP didn't make the argument that Obama is Hitler. That was a made up statement for the purpose of having a ridiculous statement to argue against and ridicule. The quote from the OP was from a book by Milton Mayor that had to do with the complicity, lack of awareness and indifference of a society, even during the greatest atrocity in modern history.

I think a reasonable point that can be taken is that if people can somehow be lulled into that kind of complicity and made indifferent even in that extreme historical situation, it can happen in less extreme situations.

and Nazism. Direct. Complete with references to how people identifying with the leader was essential.

Imagine if a wingnut columnist, call him Joe Blowhard. had made this comparison with regard to Obamacare.

My reaction would be "Joe Blowhard is a fucking nutjob."

It's not like the very definition of fascism is the complete merging of corporate and state power and interests.

And it's not like the top government executive and putative leader of one party (Obama) didn't suddenly find himself quite able to work with a vast majority of the other party, on this one corporate issue after basically six years of this same Repub majority basically calling him the N-word over and over.

And it's not like Obama and the Repubs and the spineless Dems too all bent over for this corporate coup despite some rousing opposition from the grass roots.

And it's not like a near total corporate media blackout of the TPP, TPA, and the details of these 'agreements' made even generating awareness into a major battle.

Oh, wait, it was exactly like all that.

be offended that anyone would suggest that was going on.

Not me. I'm enjoying this discussion.

There are remarkable parallels between our current state of affairs and past fascist regimes where corporate and state interests merged quite closely. I'm simply remarking upon them as "things that make ya go 'hmmm...'"

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You're on board with the whole Obama is a Nazi thing.

Thanks for the honesty.

How dare someone with such poor reading comprehension consume so much of my time?!?1?

I mean, five minutes of my time arguing on the internet is worth at least eleventy billion dollars. How else am I to bribe my way to a 'seat at the table?'

-app

I also recognize it's not possible that both of us are sane and perceive the world in a rational way.

Last word is yours. Cheers.

Thank you.
I trusted that most astute folks would be able to see the processes by which people are lulled into accepting a loss of democracy, and certainly Meyer's book is such a classic on the issue by now.

The only one who has compared Obama and Hitler is... you.

This topic isn't saying that Obama is Hitler, and the bulk of posters get that. It's simply showing that how, in recent years, our country has started to adopt the 'logic' that a past country once used.

to the rise of Adolf Hitler.

You notice the bolded part in the OP?

"it could not be released because of national security"

This is what the comparison is. The TPP hasn't been made publicly available, with a number of government officials citing 'national security' as the reason.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/some-in-administration-consider-tpp-aimed-mostly-at-china/2015/05/18/599ccc78-fb2e-11e4-9ef4-1bb7ce3b3fb7_story.html

Check out the excerpted version in the OP with the original.

Oh, right. The same comparison can be made with other Presidents.

You take offense to it because of who the statements were first applied to because you cannot find some way to say that the points themselves are invalid. Everything in that excerpt - From the 'governing in secret', to 'being declared important to national security' to people agreeing with it due to trust in a person... All of this applies to the TPP.

This excerpt has been used many times in the past, in relation to other Presidents.

So, as I said before - It's not saying that Obama is Hitler. It's just showing similarities between differing governments.

"Showing similarities between differing governments" (I.e. the Obama administration and the Third Reich) and explicitly comparing the role played by Barack Obama to that played by Adolf Hitler isn't comparing Obama to Hitler?

Sorry, that's nonsense. The OP wasn't about a generic US president, it was about Obama and the TPP.

In my opinion, this OP is no different than this:



I hope the secret service is up to its job. The far right, the LaRouchie left ....

The comparison has been made to other presidents, not just a specific one.

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Serious question though - If this OP is comparing Obama to Hitler, it'd be extremely inappropriate. So, why haven't you alerted on it yet?

GD is very LaRouchie these days.

There's always been this element here, but they've been cautious about letting their freak flag fly.

I'll save the alerts for race-based attacks (which have also picked up again)

Didn't seem to matter much to you, the 'Freak Element', when it came to that.

What changed?

The OP's excerpted text:

No, I need not.

-app

The OP's excerpted text:

Bye now.

The OP's excerpted text:

But thanks for the guidance!

subject of conversation?

Any reference at all will be cause to dismiss it all.
We must make America safe for what looks like fascism but you must not call it that...or it's Hitler.

Thinks I believe in my heart Obama dons a Subway shirt every morning and crafts a few shit sandwiches before heading to the Oval Office.

After all; I said it, so it MUST be my core belief.

For some, the Cult of Personality dictates that anything less than praise and adulation is tantamount to blasphemy.

It is a disconnect from the real problems that we face.

we are supposed to see this as an honest attempt to help us.

The quote is telling us that is exactly what has happened in the past and no one saw it coming. My guess is that when we get the final copy to read it will be written in legal language that is impossible for the regular people to understand it so once again we will be voting blind.

I am not happy with any of this.

Note the edit to the original the OP made--she quite clearly sees a little black mustache on Obama's lip:

The OP's excerpted text:

OP does not reflect the realities of how we got where we are today in this political
mess. It is dishonest in that it speaks to the end game results, it does not speak to
our democratic process which began to unravel long before Obama became president.

We already know more than enough about TPP, we sounded the alarm but it proved
not to be enough..that is the problem..we were not silent, we have
not believed we are safe and secure.

I am perfectly fine with and welcome warnings, but this OP is off the mark on many
levels and it is important in my view to be careful how one uses excerpts such
as this one.

The book is an outstanding example of how people begin to accept more and more propaganda until it is just normal to them.

Not noticing until it is too late to matter.