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CK_John

(10,005 posts)
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 11:48 PM Jun 2015

IMO, Bernie needs to broaden his message. Those over 40 living payday to payday

may agree Wall doesn't lookout for Main Street but.....Messing around with the banking system is not going to be good for them right now.

It's like when the 800 pounders fight those on the sidelines get beat up.

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IMO, Bernie needs to broaden his message. Those over 40 living payday to payday (Original Post) CK_John Jun 2015 OP
But the federal government weighs 7.4 billion pounds. nt MannyGoldstein Jun 2015 #1
But that doesn't help Bernie or the voters, CK_John Jun 2015 #2
Where is Olberman, now that we really need him? Bernie is the worst person in the world. merrily Jun 2015 #3
LOL. Great comeback. jwirr Jun 2015 #5
Nor has he voiced a position on slavery. MannyGoldstein Jun 2015 #7
Ya think that's bad? Wilms Jun 2015 #11
He's after our precious bodily fluids? MannyGoldstein Jun 2015 #13
Bernie is sounding like a one trick pony, like the actor with the chair. He just needs to CK_John Jun 2015 #16
Many of us who are older actually remember when we did not have too big to fail banks. And that jwirr Jun 2015 #4
When was that, when the saving and loan were bailed out, when FDR had a bank holiday,? CK_John Jun 2015 #12
Yes when FDR had a bank holiday. But if you look at my post I said smaller banks with jwirr Jun 2015 #15
I don't get why he only speaks to people under 40 years of age. Wilms Jun 2015 #6
Didn't say that. CK_John Jun 2015 #9
The vampire returns seveneyes Jun 2015 #8
People of all ages hate Wall Street. You can't go politically wrong talking smack about banks. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #10
Yeah Kalidurga Jun 2015 #14
Well he has about 400 days to work on his message. CK_John Jun 2015 #18
His message is fine. Kalidurga Jun 2015 #19
Exactly! TM99 Jun 2015 #22
That's pretty much all activist groups eridani Jun 2015 #30
That's me! And I've donated to him several times already :) arcane1 Jun 2015 #17
There are a helluva lot of us payday to payday people. Juicy_Bellows Jun 2015 #20
How is that going to happen with a GOP Congress? CK_John Jun 2015 #21
It won't be easy. Juicy_Bellows Jun 2015 #23
Banging a empty pot about the big bad banks does absolutely nothing and solves CK_John Jun 2015 #24
That is where we disagree. Juicy_Bellows Jun 2015 #25
Well IMO, we need to fix the infrastructure, lower SocSEc to age 50, and limit student loan payment CK_John Jun 2015 #26
If we can accomplish your list I am willing to wait as well. Juicy_Bellows Jun 2015 #28
Who would you rather have representing You? Grilled Charlie Jun 2015 #27
Much too long range to make that decision. CK_John Jun 2015 #29
What is Hillary's economic message? AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #31
They were dead broke when they left the White House Fumesucker Jun 2015 #32

merrily

(45,251 posts)
3. Where is Olberman, now that we really need him? Bernie is the worst person in the world.
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 11:55 PM
Jun 2015

He excludes everyone. Minorities, women, the unemployed, people who are over 40, seniors, young people, the needy. I don't know why this fucker made it to Mayor of Burlington, let alone the US Senate. I am so ashamed to be supporting him.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
7. Nor has he voiced a position on slavery.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:02 AM
Jun 2015

Very telling.

We need a President who knows that SLAVERY is WRONG.

CK_John

(10,005 posts)
16. Bernie is sounding like a one trick pony, like the actor with the chair. He just needs to
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:21 AM
Jun 2015

flesh out his ideas and how he will do that with a GOP Senate and House.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
4. Many of us who are older actually remember when we did not have too big to fail banks. And that
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 11:58 PM
Jun 2015

comes down to what Bernie is talking about - breaking up the banks. It is actually dangerous to leave them that big because the can and did take the world down with them. So we can choose - either turn the banks into smaller banks with regulation or leave them the way they are until they create another collapse on the assumption that they will be bailed out again.

CK_John

(10,005 posts)
12. When was that, when the saving and loan were bailed out, when FDR had a bank holiday,?
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:14 AM
Jun 2015

banks and money are just a concept at the national level and will be supported when needed.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
15. Yes when FDR had a bank holiday. But if you look at my post I said smaller banks with
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:21 AM
Jun 2015

regulations. The bank holiday was for banks that did not have the type of regulation he but in place later. Those banks were still part of Hoovers system. Savings and loan was being deregulated by raygun and poppy bush if I remember correctly.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
6. I don't get why he only speaks to people under 40 years of age.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:02 AM
Jun 2015

Now, this is just a rumor. But I heard they card people at the door of Bernie events. You guessed it. Back of the line. If there is room, they eventually let them in, but that also means SRO. Old men and women standing!1!!1

He just doesn't get it.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
14. Yeah
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:20 AM
Jun 2015

I have been to a few Bernie events. The crowd is about half people over 40 and half well under 30, but over 18. Would I like to see more people over 30 and closer to 50, sure. But, they can't be there when they are working two jobs, taking care of children and their parents because the government doesn't care to make sure families are able to take care of themselves and have something left over to give back to the community in the form of being able to attend events and take time for themselves out of their busy schedules.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
19. His message is fine.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:28 AM
Jun 2015

He is drawing the crowd you seem so concerned about him not drawing. And the LGBT people like him very much as well so...I have no idea what you are going on about.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
22. Exactly!
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:44 AM
Jun 2015

I won't speak for all 30 to 50 year olds but those like myself that I know are so damned busy working raising families, paying off student loan and credit card debt, and wondering if the next health crisis is going to bankrupt us that we don't always have time to attend rallies by any candidate even one we support.

I wanted to go to Vegas when Sanders was there. It is only about 5 hours north but it meant gas costs, road wear on an old vehicle in this heat, likely an overnight stay due to my health issues, time off from work for my partner and I, and we just couldn't justify it.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
30. That's pretty much all activist groups
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 04:21 AM
Jun 2015

The young and the old. People in their child-rearing years tend to be treading water and not having time for anything but jobs and kids.

Juicy_Bellows

(2,427 posts)
20. There are a helluva lot of us payday to payday people.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:34 AM
Jun 2015

40 and up, 40 and below - we are legion.

Doesn't bother me that a few rich folks may be bummed by his message.

What exactly do you think would happen if we passed some serious regulation on the banks?

Juicy_Bellows

(2,427 posts)
23. It won't be easy.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:47 AM
Jun 2015

The people will have to have his back and elect a better congress. I don't have all the answers but if I understand you correctly, what's the point of your OP then? It's irrelevant if it can't happen anyway, no?

Juicy_Bellows

(2,427 posts)
25. That is where we disagree.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:59 AM
Jun 2015

Awareness is vital. If we can get enough people to get Sanders in the general we can start to discuss how to accomplish the seemingly impossible. Like I said up thread, it won't be easy.

Imagine if folks fighting for the end of slavery took a similar approach and just said fuck it - too hard?

CK_John

(10,005 posts)
26. Well IMO, we need to fix the infrastructure, lower SocSEc to age 50, and limit student loan payment
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:07 AM
Jun 2015

and link college to getting jobs for graduates the bank regulation can wait.

 

Grilled Charlie

(57 posts)
27. Who would you rather have representing You?
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:11 AM
Jun 2015

Bernie- financed and supported by the people. He might not be able to get things done unless we back him but at least we know where his loyalties lie and who he' fight for.

Hillary- financed by the banks/ Wall street and the corporations who love the fact that you're working pay check to pay check. If they keep you desperate, you'll agree to anything for your next few crumbs.

She might say things to caress your dainty ego (some people desperately need that apparently ) but at the end of the day. She needs to do the bidding of her investors and shareholders.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
31. What is Hillary's economic message?
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 04:32 AM
Jun 2015

Will we know before the primaries? Are the focus groups still out on this one?

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
32. They were dead broke when they left the White House
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 05:24 AM
Jun 2015

And now they are in the 0.01% so Hillary knows a thing or two about economics.

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