I got banned from bernie thread for saying bernie sanders should try to appeal more to minority democrat voters!

Here's a tip seeing as how you're new and all: Read the Statement of Purpose for a group before you post in it.

Carry on.

For a while, Clinton was the only one who's candidacy was pretty much a sure thing. Warren had her supporters, sure, but she said from the get-go she wasn't running.

So for months people on DU - many who became Bernie supporters - sniped at Clinton and used every old right wing meme to boot. Now they whine when the tables are turned? Some of you are like that kid back in grade school who always hit people on the playground then were shocked when people finally started slapping you back.

And this happens every election cycle. Supporters of the outside candidate love to dish it out to the established candidates then act surprised when it gets flung back at them.

in 2004 Josh Marshall said this about Dean supporters and it's just as true today with some Sanders supporters:

There is an awfully distressing tendency among Dean supporters to serve up no end of lacerating comments about other candidates and then to react with a sort of stunned and outraged shock when anyone criticizes their guy.

rather than right-wing memes. Criticism of her from the left is certainly fair game, and an appropriate thing for Democrats who aren't comfortable with some of her not-so-Democratic policies.

For example, I've seen almost noone criticize her for the Benghazi scandal. I'm sure some have done it, but percentage wise, I'd say very very few, I myself have said repeatedly it was a fake RW scandal, and I am no Hillary defender.

If you think the private email server was a RW meme, we just disagree on that, I think it's necessary for those records to be part of the public record, so we can accurately understand what our state department was up to, same for a Dem as a Republican administration as far as I'm concerned.

Am I missing the main RW memes you are thinking of?

Am I missing the main RW memes you are thinking of?

Yeah. You are. Unless you believe the memes to be true and therefor can't possibly be termed 'an attack.'

But even with the criticism from the 'left,' you never once stop to think that this is your interpretation. You refuse to believe that "reaaaallll" Democrats could ever disagree with you unless they're getting paid to do so. So sure are you that you are correct that you don't believe you're attacking her. That's why it's so easy for Sanders supporters to say they're not attacking her.

'Clinton Cash' from a right wing author who admits he embellished the truth? Fair game to some Sanders Supporters.

Bill Clinton visiting an island of underage teens for sex and money - a story straight out of right wing rags? Hey! If it taints Hillary, who cares if it's true. It's fair game!

Clinton Foundation and donor problems? YUP! The leftwing really attached themselves to that right wing screed.

And you're favorite? Uh huh. NO laws broken. Not even ethics were compromised even though the right wing has tried their best to build the case.

First you make a number of untrue statements about what I apparently think. Perhaps you are using the more generic "you" but since you're replying to me it's appropriate for me to treat them as addressed to me.

If you read my posts you will see that I do indeedd acknowledge that people can and do honestly hold different world views which lead to them coming to very different conclusions. So your "You refuse to believe that "reaaaallll" Democrats could ever disagree with you unless they're getting paid to do so" remark, applied to me, is demostrably false. There IS a vast fount of money behind the Clintons, and that is most certainly used to promote Hillary's candidacy in a myriad of ways, but saying that is very different from what you said "I" believe, if you meant "you" as in "me".

The only one of those issues I see as very important is the one about the Clinton Foundation and donor problems. And there's absolutely no way that is a right wing meme, just because right-wingers use it doesn't mean they own it, it goes to the very core of what we from the left question about her.

The issue you call my favorite is one I think is legitimate but as I've said in previous posts, I don't see it as a huge deal, there are far more substantive critiques of her.

edit to add: I only responsed to you in the first place because I perceived your post as an attempt to stop what I view as legitimate and important criticism, by declaring such to be RW memes and therefore something we here on DU should not be doing. I will agree to some issues as being RW memes that we shouldn't be using here (Benghazi, possibly some others), but most especially when it comes to money and for what purpose that money is given, or from what source, fair game, and an important issue. I am fair and may argue but will not attempt to stifle legitimate issues about Sanders. Examples of such would be his support of manufactuing the jet fighter in Vermont, an example I don't consider fair is that he is a white male who supposedly doesn't care about minorities, that's rubbish, he's no whiter than Hillary as far as I can tell, and his economic justice policies, while they won't end racism (Hillary won't end racism either) will do a disproportionate amount of good for people of color . We're not arguing that here, I'm just trying to express what I see as reasonable and productive areas of discussion.

You simply missed the beginning. And you "you" refers to the type of Bernie Sanders supporters I'm referring to not you personally.

But to you personally the problem is you can't make your case legal experts contradict your assessments.

And I was still working on my post, editing it as you responded, if it matters to you. I don't see much productive discussion here, let's just agree to work for our respective candidates.

It is a fact.

and you can find a legal expert to make most any point, so really this is pointless.

so worry not on that.

Hillary's record is fair game and if not then all we have to go on is her word. Hardly something I'll base my most important duty as a citizen on, my vote and who I give it too.

It's so funny. And when the same people have scorned President Obama's supporters as cheerleaders, etc. who would defend Obama if he ate kittens, are upset when Bernie is criticized and play the victim. And defend Bernie regardless. It's hilarious.

No, I guess this "shit" doesn't stop.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6895416

wow!!!!! . . . . just WOW

and I say this as an undecided

But the hate has been bubbling ever since the days when hillaryis44.com got started.