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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt’s no Confederate flag, but our (Mass.) banner is still pretty awful
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/06/24/abraham/EqlC3F8W9tPGsjP4NkWE2N/story.htmlThen it gets weird. On the shield stands a Native American drawn in gold, a bow in one hand, an arrow in the other its point turned down to signify peacefulness. Or is it surrender?
But wait what is that right above his head? Why, its a disembodied, muscular arm, brandishing a broadsword. And beneath the whole bizarre tableau is a Latin motto which translates to: By the sword we seek peace, but peace under liberty. Its a slightly more genteel version of New Hampshires pugilistic Live free or die.
It is hard to read it all together as anything but a flag designed by and for the colonial conquerors who made the Bay State, the ones who won the land with a short time out for Thanksgiving dinner by all but eradicating the people who got here first.
malthaussen
(17,216 posts)... that it is okay to bite the hand that feeds you.
I still think the ultimate in chutzpah was the Jamestown shipwreck survivers who were saved by free blacks... whom they then enslaved.
-- Mal
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)the Bay Area is on the opposite coast.
edit: I never knew that about Jamestown!
malthaussen
(17,216 posts)rogerashton
(3,920 posts)The "starving time" in Jamestown was 1610
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starving_Time
The survivors of Sea Venture also arrived about then.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Venture
However, the first Black People came about 1619.
http://www.nps.gov/jame/learn/historyculture/african-americans-at-jamestown.htm
Have I missed something in your post?
malthaussen
(17,216 posts)Been a few years.
-- Mal
Man from Pickens
(1,713 posts)This country is full of state flags with awkward and/or offensive symbolism.
Not to mention that the US flag is pretty much the flag of genocide, in historical and modern eras alike.
In this mad rush of Two-Minute Hate on the Confederacy, a standard is being set that few if any will pass. Unless we're having some sort of "slavery bad, genocide good" kind of moment here, in which case we abandon all pretense of having moral and ethical values.
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I'll settle for addressing the flag of a nation founded specifically on the principal of white supremacy.
1939
(1,683 posts)Not sure what it is called in heraldry, but the little twist over the actual shield (with the sword arm) is some kind of appurtenance that doesn't relate to the shield.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)It's a separate part of the "achievement" from the arms proper.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)which is a pretty significant difference.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)but people in the state considered secession during the War of 1812:
"Britain and France were at war in Europe, and both nations hoped to stop American trade with the enemy, a harassment that disrupted America's profitable "neutral trade" with the Caribbean islands. After numerous protests, President Thomas Jefferson declared an embargo in December 1807, banning all U.S. trade with belligerent ports. When Britain continued to interfere with American shipping, the two nations drifted to war.
"The declaration of war was a severe blow to New England, since its merchants had grown prosperous on commercial ties with Great Britain and its Canadian and Caribbean colonies. With seaports experiencing unemployment rates upward of 60 percent, Massachusetts Federalists protested the embargo, and when America entered the war, they continued trading with the British.
"Governor Caleb Strong refused to allow Massachusetts militia to leave the state, despite federal pleas for support, and opposition to the war emboldened some to call for New England's secession from the United States."
https://www.mainememory.net/sitebuilder/site/899/page/1310/display?page=5
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)I can't even.