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JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 03:18 AM Jun 2015

Millennials are a 'nightmare' for Wall Street

Turns out, to the greatest consternation of some folks on Wall Street, millennials are smart.

"They don't trust the stock market," Goldman Sachs determined in a survey. Only 18% thought the stock market was "the best way to save for the future." It's a big deal for Wall Street because millennials, having surpassed the baby boomers, are now the largest US generation — and the future source of bonus checks for Wall Street.

"Millennials will become the most important financial generation in America, and the industry will have to adapt to meet their needs," the report warned.

The older ones in the cohort have seen the market soar, collapse, re-soar, re-collapse, re-soar ... They've seen what amount of monetary gyrations the Fed undertook to reinflate stocks this time around. They've read about the stock-market scandals and manipulations, high-frequency trading, dark pools, and spoofing. They've seen that the little guy gets mauled, that you can make a ton of money if you get in at the right time and get out before it's too late. They've seen hard-working people get wiped out. They'd rather play with their apps than mess with that infernal machine.

But they do have a problem, smart as they are: They're carrying on their shoulders a good part of the $1.2 trillion of student debt outstanding. In 2004, Americans under the age of 30 had $146 billion in student loans, according to Equifax. By 2014, in just 10 years, the student-debt burden of the under-30 cohort had skyrocket by 152% to $369 billion.

Delinquencies are rising. Some of the millennials have gotten caught up in the for-profit-college scandals that have left them with lots of debt and little education. Now they're waiting for a taxpayer bailout. It has been the school of hard knocks for them.

http://www.businessinsider.com/millennials-are-a-nightmare-for-wall-street-2015-6

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Millennials are a 'nightmare' for Wall Street (Original Post) JonLP24 Jun 2015 OP
A ponzi scheme is a ponzi scheme PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #1
Absolutely... Helen Borg Jun 2015 #2
The NY Stock Exchange has been going for 198 years LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #25
I guess that is the point of the article? Helen Borg Jun 2015 #27
Although true, banks are paying less then 1 percent interest yeoman6987 Jun 2015 #21
Not in all cases PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #24
Well that is 100 percent true. yeoman6987 Jun 2015 #26
No one could have foreseen... JHB Jun 2015 #3
Weird. Juicy_Bellows Jun 2015 #4
The stats don't speak to those over 30. woolldog Jun 2015 #12
Millenials are the first generation to feel the brunt of the consequences of previous generations AZ Progressive Jun 2015 #5
I don't know about you but in the 90s I was just starting out. Juicy_Bellows Jun 2015 #7
As a GenXer ellie Jun 2015 #23
I saw that statistic last night KrazyinKS Jun 2015 #6
Time For Some Predictions..... global1 Jun 2015 #8
A Very astute observation. eom Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #10
I touched upon this back in April. HughBeaumont Jun 2015 #9
To answer the question at the bottom JonLP24 Jun 2015 #19
Hard to pull the wool over their eyes, is it, Dino? Octafish Jun 2015 #11
it took decades for the market to recover to it's levels prior to the great depression Javaman Jun 2015 #13
I read somewhere that these cycles repeat every 80 years when the old timers... Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2015 #14
and unions and a living wage. nt Javaman Jun 2015 #15
Awesome. The biggest key to restoring our democracy. raouldukelives Jun 2015 #16
The standard of living peaked in 1968 in the US (1971 in UK) GreatGazoo Jun 2015 #17
On the other hand..... A HERETIC I AM Jun 2015 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Rex Jun 2015 #18
And here's another shocker: Baitball Blogger Jun 2015 #20
Wall Street will get their money, that's a pretty safe bet nt geek tragedy Jun 2015 #22

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
25. The NY Stock Exchange has been going for 198 years
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 10:03 AM
Jun 2015

When, exactly, do think they will run our of suckers to recruit?

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
21. Although true, banks are paying less then 1 percent interest
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 09:47 AM
Jun 2015

I will continue in the stock market until banks pay a decent interest rate to keep my money. Banks are worse.

JHB

(37,161 posts)
3. No one could have foreseen...
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 04:49 AM
Jun 2015

...that if you act like rapacious swindlers only out to enrich yourselves, people will regard you as rapacious swindlers only out to enrich yourselves and act accordingly.

Juicy_Bellows

(2,427 posts)
4. Weird.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 05:05 AM
Jun 2015

Anyone else think this is odd?


They're carrying on their shoulders a good part of the $1.2 trillion of student debt outstanding. In 2004, Americans under the age of 30 had $146 billion in student loans, according to Equifax. By 2014, in just 10 years, the student-debt burden of the under-30 cohort had skyrocket by 152% to $369 billion.


So that would STILL mean that 66% or so of the debt is carried by those over 30...... Why isn't that the damn headline?

It's gross for anyone involved but what a omission of journalism.

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
5. Millenials are the first generation to feel the brunt of the consequences of previous generations
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 05:13 AM
Jun 2015

Thank you Baby Boomers and the Silent Generation. At least Gen X was able to enjoy the 90's boom.

Juicy_Bellows

(2,427 posts)
7. I don't know about you but in the 90s I was just starting out.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 05:46 AM
Jun 2015

I had some pretty good ideas of where I could go and do. I am doing alright, please don't mis-characterize me but I no longer have such optimism.

The 90s to me and my friends seem like a faded dream of prosperity that we never really realized.


ellie

(6,929 posts)
23. As a GenXer
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 09:56 AM
Jun 2015

I didn't get a good paying job until 1999, however, I have been able to hold onto it since then. 2008 was very scary and I suffered a massive pay cut, but i still have my job.

KrazyinKS

(291 posts)
6. I saw that statistic last night
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 05:37 AM
Jun 2015

on the news. Right after that I was channel surging and on Fox Business News (you will have to forgive me) but they were talking about investing in student debt and how savvy it was.

global1

(25,253 posts)
8. Time For Some Predictions.....
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 06:17 AM
Jun 2015

Millennials ladened with so much student debt and having a hard time finding a decent paying job - can't afford to get married, buy a house and raise a family because they have all that debt to deal with - let alone invest in the stock market. They just don't have the money.

If Wall Street has a report like stated in the OP - my prediction is that they have to get behind a 'student loan bail out'. Take away the student debt and all of a sudden it frees up a lot of money for marriage, house, kids and all the trappings that go with it. In essence it opens up a 'middle class' that would support among other things Wall St.

If they are beginning to look downline and see that their very existence will depend on the millennials - than they have to be for loan forgiveness.

Keep an eye on this.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
9. I touched upon this back in April.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 06:29 AM
Jun 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026573951

My generation (X) was only semi-able to afford those things and still managed to survive with a threadbare nest egg at best . . . . mostly because even though our jobs were lower-income during college, they were at least able to buy us an education for the most part. Those days are long gone.

I mean, did the Ownership class not THINK about this before raising and raising and raising prices, crashing the economy (twice), exporting all the blue and white collar jobs to lower paying shores and, most importantly, arbitrarily stagnating the middle/working/poor wages (according to . . . . are you ready . . . . TEH FREE MARKETZ) so that pretty soon, only the upper middle class and above won't be priced out of everything?

"I believe the children are our future". Explain this to me like I'm a complete idiot . . . . HOW does this get repaired? Yeah, someone better figure out goddamned quickly how you un-bollocks this looming issue.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
19. To answer the question at the bottom
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 09:11 AM
Jun 2015

It is the vices of monopoly they were interested in. Politicians -- the ones who serve business over the people and the business class don't have to worry about deficits and such when they transfer the wealth from the taxpayers into the hands of private business. As far as being priced out that is from all the consolidation, buying or driving out the competitors -- don't know the current state of the private health business but before ACA for those who weren't on an employer's health plan were exposed to the monopoly as most of states pretty much had only Blue Cross & Blue Shield or one or the other which is why the prices were so far. It wasn't the young people "gaming the system" by waiting to use services only when they were sick.`That was the consumer base the health insurance desired because they were healthy, rarely got sick, and would subsidize whatever losses they took on from taking in an already sick customer.

Monopoly -- offer less choices & charging more. Happening everywhere I can think of. Most of them do business in Africa.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
11. Hard to pull the wool over their eyes, is it, Dino?
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 07:29 AM
Jun 2015


Wouldn't want a Bankster to have to do hard time, would we, Luigi?

Javaman

(62,531 posts)
13. it took decades for the market to recover to it's levels prior to the great depression
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 08:52 AM
Jun 2015

because no one trusted it.

same goes for banks.

people really did put money in their mattresses, they considered that safer than in a bank.

Frankly, I see the millennials having the same sentiment.

and given wall streets stellar performance as money grubbing crooks, one can't blame the young folks at all.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,330 posts)
14. I read somewhere that these cycles repeat every 80 years when the old timers...
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 08:58 AM
Jun 2015

.... who remember die off.

Maybe the millennial so will demand pensions instead of the 401k fuck job.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
16. Awesome. The biggest key to restoring our democracy.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 09:02 AM
Jun 2015

To avoiding irreversible climate change, to avoiding more resource wars, to avoid Republican rule (under any name), to avoiding more Charlestons, is to avoid Wall St.

In my mind one of the best ways to show love & respect for your neighbor is to not assist those making their lives worse. No matter how much money they dangle.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
17. The standard of living peaked in 1968 in the US (1971 in UK)
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 09:07 AM
Jun 2015

For 48 years people of all ages have tried to do the same with less and less real income. Minimum wage would now be $21+/hour if it kept pace with productivity gains and inflation. As we know there was no "trickle down" -- only 'sucking up.'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/13/minimum-wage-productivity_n_2680639.html

The stock market is a game rigged against the small players. Brokerages trade with priority and can make a small percentage on every trade they handle. Meanwhile the most profitable (and most of the best run) companies in the US are privately held. A privately held company does not have to sacrifice long term results in order to show growth every single quarter the way Wall St wants it.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,371 posts)
28. On the other hand.....
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:02 AM
Jun 2015

a "closely held" (as they are often referred to) company doesn't have to reveal jack shit about itself.

Think "Koch Industries".

For all the downsides, one thing being publicly traded does do;

Opens the company's books to public scrutiny.

Response to JonLP24 (Original post)

Baitball Blogger

(46,744 posts)
20. And here's another shocker:
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 09:21 AM
Jun 2015

Millenials don't have that kind of money to invest in bad ideas because...wait for it...wages are down!

Yeah, they cleaned out a lot of near-retires of their long hard earned savings and guess what? Those retirees were parents of the Millenials.

Wall Street is eating a bowl of its own karma.

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