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applegrove

(118,766 posts)
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 08:04 PM Jun 2015

Barack Obama is officially one of the most consequential presidents in American history

Barack Obama is officially one of the most consequential presidents in American history

by Dylan Matthews at Vox

http://www.vox.com/2015/6/26/8849925/obama-obamacare-history-presidents

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After Thursday's Supreme Court ruling, there's no longer any doubt: Barack Obama is one of the most consequential presidents in American history — and he will be a particularly towering figure in the history of American progressivism.

National health insurance has been the single defining goal of American progressivism for more than a century. There have been other struggles, of course: for equality for women, African-Americans, and LGBT people; for environmental protection; against militarism in Southeast Asia and the Middle East. But ever since its inclusion in Teddy Roosevelt's 1912 Bull Moose platform, a federally guaranteed right to health coverage has been the one economic and social policy demand that loomed over all others. It was the big gap between our welfare state and those of our peers in Europe, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and Japan.

And for more than a century, efforts to achieve national health insurance failed. Roosevelt's third-party run came up short. His Progressive allies, despite support from the American Medical Association, failed to pass a bill in the 1910s. FDR declined to include health insurance in the Social Security Act, fearing it would sink the whole program, and the Wagner Act, his second attempt, ended in failure too. Harry Truman included a single-payer plan open to all Americans in his Fair Deal set of proposals, but it went nowhere. LBJ got Medicare and Medicaid done after JFK utterly failed, but both programs targeted limited groups.

Richard Nixon proposed a universal health-care plan remarkably similar to Obamacare that was killed when then–Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA) walked away from a deal to pass it, in what Kennedy would later call his greatest regret as a senator. Jimmy Carter endorsed single-payer on the campaign trail, but despite having a Democratic supermajority in Congress did nothing to pass it. And the failure of Bill Clinton's health-care plan is the stuff of legend.



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Barack Obama is officially one of the most consequential presidents in American history (Original Post) applegrove Jun 2015 OP
Well this guy got it wrong from the get go. TM99 Jun 2015 #1
It's better than babylonsister Jun 2015 #3
It is better TM99 Jun 2015 #7
You know single payer is "national health insurance", right? Recursion Jun 2015 #4
I know the difference Recursion. TM99 Jun 2015 #5
But single payer is national health insurance. There's even a mandate in Canada Recursion Jun 2015 #6
Are you saying we now TM99 Jun 2015 #8
No, we have roughly what Switzerland and the Netherlands have Recursion Jun 2015 #10
KnR sheshe2 Jun 2015 #2
You are most welcome. applegrove Jun 2015 #11
yes! Liberal_in_LA Jun 2015 #9
 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
1. Well this guy got it wrong from the get go.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 08:10 PM
Jun 2015
National health insurance has been the single defining goal of American progressivism for more than a century.


No, no, and no!

National health care(aka single payer) has been the single defining goal of American progressivism for more than a century.

There is a difference.

There are some positives to the ACA, but there are still negatives. For 45 to 65 year olds, there is often the problem of making too much to qualify for subsidies and too little to pay high deductibles for care, not to mention those that don't have children.

If, and man it is a big if, this ACA eventually leads to a single payer health care plan in the US, it will be worth. Otherwise, it is a poor substitute for what all other civilized nations currently enjoy.

But trying to spin this shit as the greatest victory EVER for progressives is insulting.

babylonsister

(171,079 posts)
3. It's better than
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 08:32 PM
Jun 2015

the previous 'system', whether you like it or not. Ask those who have benefited. I do wish Dems, or 'progressives', would quit demeaning this accomplishment.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
7. It is better
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 08:40 PM
Jun 2015

for some and not all.

If we don't continue to criticize what needs fixing then we will never get what we truly need - single payer OR universal health care.

I live in a household where I have benefited and my partner has not. So I know the reality intimately.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
4. You know single payer is "national health insurance", right?
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 08:32 PM
Jun 2015

That's what that means. National health care would be something like the UK has, which is different from Single Payer.

Single Payer is what Canada has, in which the government manages a single nationwide medical insurance pool.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
5. I know the difference Recursion.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 08:38 PM
Jun 2015

This is an insurance mandate. It is not single payer like Canada or national health care like the UK and Germany and France and Cuba have.

There is still a difference and you know this.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
6. But single payer is national health insurance. There's even a mandate in Canada
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 08:39 PM
Jun 2015

You have to pay premiums in many provinces or you can lose your coverage.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
10. No, we have roughly what Switzerland and the Netherlands have
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 08:42 PM
Jun 2015

I'm pointing out that single payer is precisely "national health insurance", which we don't have, though we have a national market framework finally.

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