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What will it take for this country to give thanks for Barrack Obama? n/t (Original Post) UTUSN Jun 2015 OP
Time, patience, results. nt Xipe Totec Jun 2015 #1
Anyone that lived through the Bush years should be thanking him every day. Renew Deal Jun 2015 #2
Will never happen in his lifetime..... a kennedy Jun 2015 #3
Thx Obama. There, I did my part. Vattel Jun 2015 #4
. Bernie 2016 Jun 2015 #7
He'll be Recognized as one of the Better Presidents of Our Generation Stallion Jun 2015 #5
Perhaps starting here... Historic NY Jun 2015 #6
On issue after issue he ends up being vindicated bluestateguy Jun 2015 #8
Can you spell his name right? Texasgal Jun 2015 #9
My thanks are its own thing, but thanks. n/t UTUSN Jun 2015 #10
The racists seem to be winning right now. azmom Jun 2015 #11
A wicked fastball made of snow thrown by the prince of darkness. tymorial Jun 2015 #12
Easy dirtydickcheney Jun 2015 #13
A stirring combination of sneering at civil rights and outright fantasies. geek tragedy Jun 2015 #15
We shall know them madokie Jun 2015 #20
"sneering at civil rights" tishaLA Jun 2015 #30
What am I giving thanks for? TM99 Jun 2015 #14
"it was not until 2011 that he began to fight DOMA" joshcryer Jun 2015 #21
I am glad he came around. TM99 Jun 2015 #23
He only had the vote 72 days. joshcryer Jun 2015 #24
You mean like if only he had the votes TM99 Jun 2015 #25
Actually... joshcryer Jun 2015 #28
My guesses would be: Jamaal510 Jun 2015 #16
I'd say the day he leaves office. I have slept better with him in office and treated with more freshwest Jun 2015 #18
I almost shuddered when I read that, thinking, "When he's gone." Hekate Jun 2015 #17
Good question! He will never be recognised for the fantastic President akbacchus_BC Jun 2015 #19
We re-elected him! morningfog Jun 2015 #22
He didn't bomb Iran. I am thankful. CanadaexPat Jun 2015 #26
thank you Pat! big_dog Jun 2015 #31
i wish i could vote for him again JI7 Jun 2015 #27
i just watched his eulogy from today....unbelievable spanone Jun 2015 #29
For the TPP? former9thward Jun 2015 #32

a kennedy

(29,702 posts)
3. Will never happen in his lifetime.....
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 09:43 PM
Jun 2015

But for the next 100 years, EVERYONE will say he was the best President for a Century...... JMHO.

Stallion

(6,476 posts)
5. He'll be Recognized as one of the Better Presidents of Our Generation
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 09:55 PM
Jun 2015

the future is written by younger generations

His List of accomplishments judged against his opponent's resistance and the obstacles he faced are prolific

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
8. On issue after issue he ends up being vindicated
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 09:57 PM
Jun 2015

He may look a little feckless at first, but hindsight always shows that he made the right decisions.

Texasgal

(17,047 posts)
9. Can you spell his name right?
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 09:58 PM
Jun 2015

In the interest of giving thanks.

Not to be an asshole, but it irks me a bit when people misspell his name.

 

dirtydickcheney

(242 posts)
13. Easy
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 10:35 PM
Jun 2015

1. End the Surveillance State
2. Take our the tax rates back the pre-Reagan levels
3. End all drone strikes.
4. Pull out of NAFTA, CAFTA, Permanent-Normal-Trade-Relations with China and denounce the upcoming SHAFTA (TPP)
5. Show he's actually aligned with the interests of the the working class vs. the Billionaire class.
6. Open an Iraq War Inquiry - an take it to the conclusion wherever it leads - don't be afraid of prosecutions (should it lead there)
7. Really act on Climate Change - not "I stopped the Keystone XL Pipeline" while opening the Arctic and Eastern Seaboard to drilling and shipping huge amounts of coal to other countries. Not promoting fracking to the world.

Then I'd start to give thanks.
The sad truth is that this Freedom to Marry and Black Lives matter do matter but they DO NOT challenge the corporate elites.

I'd love to see him stand up to them - I don't think that'll ever happen.

So it may be great to some people to say "hey, my President is a Democrat and he sings really well... I'm so happy" but it's not so great when you're employed in 3 jobs at the same time and you live in a tent by the river because your job was shipped to Vietnam... but at least I can now get married to someone of the same-sex!!

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
15. A stirring combination of sneering at civil rights and outright fantasies.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:07 PM
Jun 2015

I particularly like how you demand the president change the tax code.

tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
30. "sneering at civil rights"
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 01:13 AM
Jun 2015

got that right. To say nothing of sneering at the economic progress he oversaw, the return to a resemblance of regulation in financial and environmental sectors. I've always said, much to the consternation of my friends enamored with Bill Clinton, that it took 3/4 of his first term for Pres Obama to overturn THOSE bad policies. Then he had to contend with the bad bush policies.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
14. What am I giving thanks for?
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:03 PM
Jun 2015

He did not single handedly over turn discrimination against LGBT citizens. In fact, like Clinton, he had to 'evolve' on the issue. He had a homophobic preacher at his inauguration, and it was not until 2011 that he began to fight DOMA.

I credit and thank those that led from the beginning. I credit the Human Rights Campaign. I credit senators like Sanders and reps like Barbara Boxer. I credit every LGBT person and their heterosexual allies who fought from the beginning to allow for the same social and economic rights as all heterosexual couples.

The ACA is a mediocre health insurance mandate. It helps some, and harms others. It is moderately better than what we have but is far less than what could be.

Should I thank him for NAFTA on steroids, the TPP, that he pushed through with majority GOP support and minority Dem support?

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
21. "it was not until 2011 that he began to fight DOMA"
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 12:36 AM
Jun 2015

He campaigned on repealing DOMA...

And the repeal of DADT was on the books since as early as 2005...

DOMA certainly took a backseat to the ACA, but we also had that whole Great Depression thing, so it's not like Obama didn't have his hands full.

The important part is that it got done. I don't understand why getting stuff done is always dismissed and distracted. They're completely separate issues.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
23. I am glad he came around.
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 12:44 AM
Jun 2015

I am glad he finally started working on getting things done.

I just know that those who deserves the most praise are not politicians that must evolve. Those who deserve the praise are leaders who spoke out when it was not politically expedient to do so. Those who deserve the most praise are those activists, both LGBT & straight, who marched, fought, and made this happen one little victory at a time.

Today I celebrate my sister who has waited and fought for 15 years to be able to marry the love of her life. Together they and we made it happen irrespective of the politicians come lately.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
24. He only had the vote 72 days.
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 12:49 AM
Jun 2015

Electing Democrats, getting them elected, and keeping them in office, obviously has a significant impact. Had Obama had super-majorities, DOMA could've been repealed week 1.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
25. You mean like if only he had the votes
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 12:54 AM
Jun 2015

the TPP could have been passed a lot sooner?

Obama can muster the votes when he really wants to. That is obvious now, so the revisionism about not having votes for repeal of DOMA, the public option, etc. just don't fly with me anymore especially when he had a Democratic majority no matter how slim.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
28. Actually...
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 01:00 AM
Jun 2015

...since it is the Republicans who are on board with it and if we had supermajority of Democrats, it's very possible that TPP would be harder to pass.

the revisionism about not having votes for repeal of DOMA, the public option, etc. just don't fly with me anymore


History, not revisionism. He had a filibuster proof majority only 72 days of his first term. Or 3% of his Presidency to date. Stated more accurately, he has not had the vote for anything positive 97% of his term.

This is a President who has never had a budget passed. Ever. It's always been continuing resolutions. Absolutely unheard of in Presidential history.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
16. My guesses would be:
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:22 PM
Jun 2015

a. him being out of office for long enough. Former presidents tend to get more popular as they're away, even Bush ll.
b. more people experiencing direct positive results. There are people who mistakenly think he has been sitting on his ass all this time and not pushing for critical pieces of legislation, despite evidence to the contrary.
c. people actually looking up what his administration has accomplished/fought for throughout the 6 years, along with getting better informed about civics.
d. RWers realizing that they've been had by FOX, Rush Limbaugh, Alex Jones, etc. all these years.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
18. I'd say the day he leaves office. I have slept better with him in office and treated with more
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 12:28 AM
Jun 2015

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respect in every way as a human being, except by his opponents. As they dissed him, they were dissing me and the people I care about.

Those include all I've never met and will never know or speak with or be capable of understanding.

I began missing him the night he was re-elected. To know someone was in my corner, even if I didn't agree with the method at times.

It won't take any time for me to know he was the best.

Hekate

(90,779 posts)
17. I almost shuddered when I read that, thinking, "When he's gone."
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:43 PM
Jun 2015

Haters at DU and on the RW cannot let any of it rest even for a day, but I think those polls about his approval ratings are due to soar even higher. The reason for that is not that they are low info voters, as some here claimed even this week, but that the average person is not a political junkie and therefore not obsessed.

To answer your question: he is already appreciated.

The first week he was officially a lame duck president he did something that made me sit up and say: He's been set free. He is going to redefine the very nature of this time in office. He's doing just that.

akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
19. Good question! He will never be recognised for the fantastic President
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 12:32 AM
Jun 2015

that he is. I saw him in 2008 with black hair and a nice smile. Now he looks so old, grey hair. He has put himself out there to pacify America and sometimes he has to deal with racism. What a wonderful legacy he will leave behind, I really like your President.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
22. We re-elected him!
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 12:40 AM
Jun 2015

He will be remembered as a great president during a pivotal time. On top of all his policy accomplishments, coming out of the recession, ending DOMA and presiding over marriage quality, he's had no scandals.

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