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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJOSEPH STIGLITZ: Such punitive targets – I know how I’d vote in the Greece referendum
Such punitive targets I know how Id vote in the Greece referendum
The rising crescendo of bickering and acrimony within Europe might seem to outsiders to be the inevitable result of the bitter endgame playing out between Greece and its creditors. In fact, European leaders are finally beginning to reveal the true nature of the continuing debt dispute, and the answer is not pleasant: It is about power and democracy much more than money and economics.
Of course, the economics behind the program that the troika (the European Commission, the European Central Bank and the International Monetary Fund) foisted on Greece five years ago has been abysmal, resulting in a 25-per-cent decline in the countrys GDP. I can think of no depression, ever, that has been so deliberate and had such catastrophic consequences: Greeces rate of youth unemployment, for example, now exceeds 60 per cent.
It is startling that the troika has refused to accept responsibility for any of this or admit how bad its forecasts and models have been. But what is even more surprising is that Europes leaders have not even learned. The troika is still demanding that Greece achieve a primary budget surplus (excluding interest payments) of 3.5 per cent of GDP by 2018.
Economists around the world have condemned that target as punitive, because aiming for it will inevitably result in a deeper downturn. Indeed, even if Greeces debt is restructured beyond anything imaginable, the country will remain in depression if voters there commit to the troikas target in the snap referendum to be held this weekend.
It is hard to advise Greeks how to vote on July 5. Neither alternative approval or rejection of the troikas terms will be easy, and both carry huge risks. A Yes vote would mean depression almost without end. Perhaps a depleted country one that has sold off all of its assets and whose bright young people have emigrated might finally get debt forgiveness; perhaps, having shrivelled into a middle-income economy, Greece might finally be able to get assistance from the World Bank. All of this might happen in the next decade, or perhaps the decade after that.
By contrast, a No vote would at least open the possibility that Greece, with its strong democratic tradition, might grasp its destiny in its own hands. Greeks might gain the opportunity to shape a future that, though perhaps not as prosperous as the past, is far more hopeful than the unconscionable torture of the present.
I know how I would vote.
The rising crescendo of bickering and acrimony within Europe might seem to outsiders to be the inevitable result of the bitter endgame playing out between Greece and its creditors. In fact, European leaders are finally beginning to reveal the true nature of the continuing debt dispute, and the answer is not pleasant: It is about power and democracy much more than money and economics.
Of course, the economics behind the program that the troika (the European Commission, the European Central Bank and the International Monetary Fund) foisted on Greece five years ago has been abysmal, resulting in a 25-per-cent decline in the countrys GDP. I can think of no depression, ever, that has been so deliberate and had such catastrophic consequences: Greeces rate of youth unemployment, for example, now exceeds 60 per cent.
It is startling that the troika has refused to accept responsibility for any of this or admit how bad its forecasts and models have been. But what is even more surprising is that Europes leaders have not even learned. The troika is still demanding that Greece achieve a primary budget surplus (excluding interest payments) of 3.5 per cent of GDP by 2018.
Economists around the world have condemned that target as punitive, because aiming for it will inevitably result in a deeper downturn. Indeed, even if Greeces debt is restructured beyond anything imaginable, the country will remain in depression if voters there commit to the troikas target in the snap referendum to be held this weekend.
It is hard to advise Greeks how to vote on July 5. Neither alternative approval or rejection of the troikas terms will be easy, and both carry huge risks. A Yes vote would mean depression almost without end. Perhaps a depleted country one that has sold off all of its assets and whose bright young people have emigrated might finally get debt forgiveness; perhaps, having shrivelled into a middle-income economy, Greece might finally be able to get assistance from the World Bank. All of this might happen in the next decade, or perhaps the decade after that.
By contrast, a No vote would at least open the possibility that Greece, with its strong democratic tradition, might grasp its destiny in its own hands. Greeks might gain the opportunity to shape a future that, though perhaps not as prosperous as the past, is far more hopeful than the unconscionable torture of the present.
I know how I would vote.
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JOSEPH STIGLITZ: Such punitive targets – I know how I’d vote in the Greece referendum (Original Post)
GliderGuider
Jun 2015
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FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)1. My vote in unity with the Greeks is NO n/t
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)2. More austerity is like putting someone who is starving to death
on a 250-calorie per day diet.
When there is no blood left in the patient, perhaps it is time to remove the leeches, real or metaphorical.