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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 05:40 PM Jun 2015

Conservatives Are Gearing Up For Fight Of Their Lives After Gay Marriage Ruling

NEW YORK (AP) — Now that same-sex marriage is legal nationwide, religious conservatives are focusing on preserving their right to object. Their concerns are for the thousands of faith-based charities, colleges and hospitals that want to hire, fire, serve and set policy according to their religious beliefs, notably that gay relationships are morally wrong.

The Republican Party's 2016 presidential candidates are already campaigning on the issue. And Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker is urging President Barack Obama and the nation's governors "to join me in reassuring millions of Americans that the government will not force them to participate in activities that violate their deeply held religious beliefs."

The religious liberty fight isn't about what happens inside the sanctuary. First Amendment protections for worship and clergy are clear. Potential conflicts could arise, however, over religious organizations with some business in the public arena. That category ranges from small religious associations that rent reception halls to the public, to the nation's massive network of faith-based social service agencies that receive millions of dollars in government grants. Some groups, such as the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, also want protections for individual business owners who consider it immoral to provide benefits for the same-sex spouse of an employee or cater gay weddings.

U.S. Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy raised the issue in the majority opinion Friday granting gays the right to marry. He said First Amendment protections are in place for religious objectors, who "may continue to advocate with utmost, sincere conviction that, by divine precepts, same-sex marriage should not be condoned."

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Conservatives Are Gearing Up For Fight Of Their Lives After Gay Marriage Ruling (Original Post) DonViejo Jun 2015 OP
I am sitting 20 feet from someone right now who was so depressed Friday I thought randys1 Jun 2015 #1
My facebook is exploding udbcrzy2 Jun 2015 #12
Some ugly shit out there... randys1 Jun 2015 #13
Seriously--- Imagine that. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #14
I predict a HUGE rift between the religious right and the repubs who count on their votes arcane1 Jun 2015 #2
They want their right to practice bigotry and persecution. It's clearly a favorite pass time! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2015 #3
They really need a life damnedifIknow Jun 2015 #4
I consider homophobia immoral Renew Deal Jun 2015 #5
Right there with ya. Jester Messiah Jun 2015 #7
Generation X . . . Iliyah Jun 2015 #6
You know Gen Xers are partly in their thirties? Renew Deal Jun 2015 #9
Obama is a baby boomer AndreaCG Jun 2015 #11
You realize, I hope, Cirque du So-What Jun 2015 #10
It's really simple. Do they take taxpayer dollars? MohRokTah Jun 2015 #8
Nah, I think this will fizzle real quick taught_me_patience Jun 2015 #15
I think you are right. hifiguy Jun 2015 #17
They tried and got away with this bullshit in 2000. But this ain't 2000 anymore. Initech Jun 2015 #16
I think the issu could fracture the Republican party SpartanDem Jun 2015 #18

randys1

(16,286 posts)
1. I am sitting 20 feet from someone right now who was so depressed Friday I thought
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 05:41 PM
Jun 2015

he was gonna jump out his one story window

This divorced man, HATES that Gay people get to be married now.

Why?

He cant really tell you why, just does.

 

udbcrzy2

(891 posts)
12. My facebook is exploding
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 07:30 PM
Jun 2015

My aunt is freaking out and some of my friends are too. They are all republican Christians. This is very telling of their faith. Several times per day they post memes saying marriage is between a man and woman. Kind of makes me mad, but I dare not say a word about it. I just ignore them and congratulate my friends who can now marry.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
2. I predict a HUGE rift between the religious right and the repubs who count on their votes
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 05:44 PM
Jun 2015

And I can't wait

damnedifIknow

(3,183 posts)
4. They really need a life
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 05:56 PM
Jun 2015

So much focus on hate is disturbing to say the least. Oh Dr. Phil, we have a case for you.

." Signs of psychopathology can also be seen among their political bedfellows, conservative politicians, especially when you consider a wide range of illness indicators. In his award-winning 2005 book, Dr. James Whitney Hicks discusses 50 signs of mental illness (link is external) including denial, delusion, hallucination, disordered thinking, anger, anti-social behavior,**sexual preoccupation,** grandiosity, general oddness, and paranoia."



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https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evolutionary-entertainment/201206/conservatism-mental-illness

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
7. Right there with ya.
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 06:08 PM
Jun 2015

Politicians and corporations know they can't satisfy these conflicting world views, and seem to mostly be calculating in our favor. This is quite clearly terrifying and depressing to the bigots.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
6. Generation X . . .
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 06:04 PM
Jun 2015

Baby Bloomer - Conservatives on the way out. Ya know these assholes will fight to the death against Marriage Equality, Health Care, Women's Rights, Voting Rights, et al.

Renew Deal

(81,883 posts)
9. You know Gen Xers are partly in their thirties?
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 06:10 PM
Jun 2015

And that Obama is the first Gen X president? There are many more to come.

Cirque du So-What

(25,999 posts)
10. You realize, I hope,
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 06:40 PM
Jun 2015

that the oldest baby boomer is 69 years old. You could have written off septuagenarians 150 years ago, but life expectancy has risen considerably in the interim.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
8. It's really simple. Do they take taxpayer dollars?
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 06:10 PM
Jun 2015

If yes, YOU CANNOT DISCRIMINATE!

If no, fine, be bigots because of your religion like the Taliban and ISIS.

 

taught_me_patience

(5,477 posts)
15. Nah, I think this will fizzle real quick
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 07:48 PM
Jun 2015

Some candidates might use it to energize the base a bit, but it won't go far. No national politician will vigorously defend something that is polling at 40% and will likely be at 35% by the time the election rolls around.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
17. I think you are right.
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 08:01 PM
Jun 2015

I cannot remember an issue on which there has been such a rapid and decisive public turnaround.

The reichwingers can run up an alley and yell "FISH!" but the world is passing them by with increasing rapidity.

Initech

(100,108 posts)
16. They tried and got away with this bullshit in 2000. But this ain't 2000 anymore.
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 07:54 PM
Jun 2015

The Republicans are becoming increasingly irrelevant and boy are they getting desperate. Look at Mike Huckabee's reaction - he's living proof that they couldn't be more out of touch.

SpartanDem

(4,533 posts)
18. I think the issu could fracture the Republican party
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 09:26 PM
Jun 2015

While many Republicans were simply pandering, your Huckabee's and Cruz's and the other true believers are not going to give this up. And I would say a significant part of the base want to keep up this fight. This issue is much more tied to religious belief than segregation ever was and if you truly believe that God looks on this as evil you are going to fight it as such. Even if they only changed their platform to being neutral or say it's a state issue, I don't think significant part of their would anything less than full opposition acceptable. Huck and others have already threatened to leave before when there was talk of the RNC softening it position.

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