If you can't afford to see a doctor, you wait until the situation is critical and end up in the ER.
THAT is a fact of life for a lot of people in this country.

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Parents that object to childhood vaccinations should find a private school that will accept and educate their children.

Because the vaccines are not "mandatory." They are now stripping personal belief exemptions as an option for enrolling children into public school.

Don't want to vax? Private school or start one with your own rules.

HPV is not on the list. Hepatitus B is on the list. It's just pretty typical of the vaccines most children receive.

http://eziz.org/assets/docs/IMM-231.pdf

Polio, diptheria, pertussis, tetanus, measles, mumps, rubella, hepatitis B, Varicella and T(tetanus) Booster

I'm not sure I got them all. Please check yourselves.

What makes everyone blindly trust that the vaccine schedule that they put infants on is entirely appropriate?

The reduction in deaths and outbreaks of the diseases.

It's a matter of weighing risks of the vaccinations against risks of the spread of the diseases.

When it comes, for example, to the measles vaccination, the risk of dying from measles is measured scientifically as greater than thaat of injury or death from the vaccination.

My infant granddaughter got the whooping cough (pertussis) because some ignorant parent did not have their child immunized against it.

It's a question of odds, of statistics. The risk from having the immunization (and things can go wrong) is so much lower than the risk from NOT having the immunization (for society as a whole as well as for the individual child) that society requires the immunization.

Children are exempt even under the new law as I understand it from listening to a radio program on this issue if they have a doctor's excuse from the requirement that they be immunized. It's a matter of reducing the potential numbers of disease carriers in our schools.

Interestingly, the low rates of immunization are in the wealthier areas, not in the poorest areas. South-Central Los Angeles has a pretty high rate of immunization (per the radio show on KPFK) but some wealthier areas have lower rates. Not immunizing your children is a bit of a fad.

I immunized my children and they are fine.

Which reminds me that I probably will be due for a tetanus booster one of these days. How about you?

Decide against vaccines. You can decide for your family but you do not have the right to endanger my children or others
My teens will be getting the first HPV vaccine later this month!

At the same time, that vaccines are only useful if everybody gets them. They don't. At a very much non-zero but still fairly low rate of non-vaccination transmission is effectively stopped, for exactly the same reason that naturally mined uranium needs to be purified for the idea of "critical mass" to matter in the least; at a slightly higher rate of non-vaccination it's merely slowed, with the vaccinated population acting as slow neutron absorbers. (Yes, that's the glorious of some mathematical models. They apply all over the place, just alter the coefficients a bit.)

My kid's vaccinated. If the boy next to him in school comes down with one out of a fairly large variety of illnesses, it's very, very unlikely my kid'll contract it. His lack of vaccinations will pose minimal endangerment to my kid. I have little to be in fear over in that regard and act defensively.

The reason to worry is more of a public health concern. If sufficient numbers of kids aren't vaccinated against diphtheria then it can spread. This will affect almost entirely those with diphtheria and pose a risk to individuals' health and a risk to public health. We can't allow the risk to individual's health because as Cain said--and most Xians like to quote their prophet Cain--we are our brother's wardens. The risk to public health is a fiscal risk, gobbling up funds--and it's also a social risk, reducing school attendance and a political risk, scaring mostly the timid and fearful.

Are old enough to be vaccinated. There are many benefits to vaccines. Like I said if you don't want your kid vaccinated keep him away from other kids.
There are kids with medical conditions whose lives could be at risk because someone believes in woo rather than science. You can decide for your own child but not for another.

I would suggest you look there and see if they believe it should be mandatory - here is a link to get you started on that basic research.
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/easy-to-read/child.html

According to WHO, 47 European states include Hepatitis as part of the vaccine schedule - so, yes, for the most part.
http://www.euro.who.int/en/health-topics/disease-prevention/vaccines-and-immunization/vaccine-preventable-diseases/hepatitis-b

Infant mortality - again, according to the CDC website (chock full of information; you should consider familiarizing yourself with it) - the top five leading causes of infant mortality are:
Born with a serious birth defect.
Born too small and too early (i.e., preterm birth; birth before 37 weeks gestation).
Victims of Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS).
Affected by maternal complications of pregnancy.
Victims of injuries (e.g., suffocation).
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/infantmortality.htm
None of those has much of anything to do with vaccinations, by the way.

As for blindly trusting that the vaccine schedule is appropriate? You are reaching pretty far when you write "blindly". Many people are quite well-informed - at least informed enough to do the research to answer their basic questions. Perhaps you should follow their example?

How condescending. It isn't that hard to educate oneself on the reasons behind the vaccine schedule. They are based on SCIENCE. And PUBLIC HEALTH.. Our infant mortality rate is not due to vaccines. Lower vaccination rates mean HIGHER infant mortality. That's the fucking point.

The HPV vaccine is not mandatory there. It may be someday if the science justifies it.

I highly recommend the book 'On Immunity' by Eula Biss as a way to see the truth behind this debate and see the bigger picture of the issue. A beautiful book. There are other great sources out there if you want to actually find the truth rather than debate about some irrational fears or belief system.

This is about community vs selfishness. That's what it comes down to imho. If you want to be selfish, go live in a cave and stop putting vulnerable members of our human community at risk.

I know I sound harsh, and I am not going to apologize for it. This isn't, actually, about big pharma or government overreach. Big pharma is a problem. Health care for profit is a major problem, and a reason to be suspect about a lot of things. But vaccines aren't one of those things. This is one of the few things that is actually agreed-upon science with measurable meaningful outcomes of saving lives and protecting quality of life. It pisses me off when people equate the support of vaccines with acceptance of 57 kinds of bullshit and propaganda. Conflating them does not make you right. It makes you irrational and wrong and rude.

and the HPV vaccine SHOULD be mandatory. The fewer women get cervical cancer, the better.

Are they recommending the HPV vaccine for boys yet?

http://www.cdc.gov/features/HPVVaccineBoys/

I don't have children so I haven't paid much attention.

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It's time the anti-vaxx idiocy comes to an end.

Science has spoken. No link between vaccines and autism, vaccines have been proven safe and effective for decades. The alternative is shit like what happened in Spain - a child dying of diptheria because his idiot mom wouldn't get him vaccinated.

The downsides of vaccines are minimal, or completely unproven.

The upside of vaccines is that you and your kids don't get horrible, maiming, lethal diseases.