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Are people over-reacting to the old Confederate flag? (Original Post) Archae Jul 2015 OP
As long as it's private companies making leftynyc Jul 2015 #1
No, they're just late to react. Iggo Jul 2015 #2
this nt Quayblue Jul 2015 #14
No. bobalew Jul 2015 #3
This is just my opinion get the red out Jul 2015 #4
I think you pretty much nailed it there. Sort of an "Oklahoma City" moment. hollowdweller Jul 2015 #35
This hurts actors and writers who didnt do anything wrong, in most cases. randys1 Jul 2015 #5
have you seen the show?... lame54 Jul 2015 #17
Yee-haw! Orrex Jul 2015 #26
Be careful frankly_fedup2 Jul 2015 #6
The Apple store pulled a game that allows players to re-fight the battle of Gettysburg. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #7
No. Gormy Cuss Jul 2015 #8
I don't know, I am not African American. I don't think I get to make that call. Rex Jul 2015 #9
The True South by H.K. Edgerton Go Vols Jul 2015 #18
I don't understand that either, not at all. Rex Jul 2015 #20
no, people have been under-reacting to it for a very, very long time. unblock Jul 2015 #10
I have never seen one episode of that show or the movie... luvspeas Jul 2015 #11
The only bright point about that dreadful film... Orrex Jul 2015 #28
They should have pulled it a long time ago.. HipChick Jul 2015 #12
The currtent reaction to the Confederate flag is therapeutic and defining. PufPuf23 Jul 2015 #13
IMO old guy Jul 2015 #15
150 years late is under-reacting lame54 Jul 2015 #16
No ann--- Jul 2015 #19
Look, a Swastica was a 5000 year old reilgous symbol Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #21
yep DustyJoe Jul 2015 #22
To you maybe but not to me... luvspeas Jul 2015 #25
You seem to sense an emotional apocalypse in little more than a market reacting to its customer base LanternWaste Jul 2015 #34
I guess this means I can't watch Hogan's Heroes anymore? Archae Jul 2015 #23
You can watch what you like, of course Mariana Jul 2015 #31
No we're underreacting to gun violence and church burnings. craigmatic Jul 2015 #24
No...."we" are not. n/t fredamae Jul 2015 #27
TV Lands parent company is scared of a boycott NightWatcher Jul 2015 #29
TV Land can do whatever it wants. bigwillq Jul 2015 #30
That show deserves to be pulled for terminal lameness if nothing else. yellowcanine Jul 2015 #32
No. ananda Jul 2015 #33
No SwankyXomb Jul 2015 #36
 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
1. As long as it's private companies making
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 12:52 PM
Jul 2015

these decisions and there is no banning called for by government officials, I simply don't give a shit.

Iggo

(47,565 posts)
2. No, they're just late to react.
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 12:55 PM
Jul 2015

It's all happening at once, so it looks like it's huge. But really it's just people saying "Nope. That's it. Done with this fucking thing."

Long overdue.

get the red out

(13,468 posts)
4. This is just my opinion
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 12:56 PM
Jul 2015

That when you have this flag being used in more and more nefarious ways throughout the two terms of the first African American President, the RW news media all but screaming for the "south to rise again", white supremacist groups calling for a race war, a massacre by a white supremacist followed by the burning of black churches throughout the south; it is just about the perfect time for the business and entertainment sectors to take that flag out of sight. People keep using the word ban, which it isn't, but choosing not to portray or sell it is probably a good move by various industries.

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
35. I think you pretty much nailed it there. Sort of an "Oklahoma City" moment.
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 03:25 PM
Jul 2015

Once Clinton was elected the whole anti gov't thing - the rhetoric kept getting more heated...until one of their less stable followers blew up the federal bldg. That sort of caused Newt and all the GOP talking heads to dial it back some....


Another time...another dem elected. This time a black one. Honest to God I thought we were actually heading to another civil war with the Bundy thing and all the racisim, and I agree the confederate flag began to take on it's old meaning more than even 20 years ago. Hopefully this whole reaction will walk us back from the brink once more.

I just wish the GOP would #1 stop acting like it's the end of the republic every time a dem gets elected and #2 stop advocating guns and military force as the solution to any problem. They seem to be unaware how their rhetoric affects the weak minded.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
5. This hurts actors and writers who didnt do anything wrong, in most cases.
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 12:56 PM
Jul 2015

But there will be casualties.

I would ask the AfAm community, if they say leave the show on the air, so be it, but if they say nay, nay

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
7. The Apple store pulled a game that allows players to re-fight the battle of Gettysburg.
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 12:56 PM
Jul 2015

While I believe the Confederate flag has no business flying on US public lands some of this is starting to look like a panicked mob mentality.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
8. No.
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 12:58 PM
Jul 2015

The brand is poison right now and that's why so many *corporate citizens* are dropping it like a hot potato.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
9. I don't know, I am not African American. I don't think I get to make that call.
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 01:00 PM
Jul 2015

Seriously this has been buzzing around in my head for days now and that is the only answer I can come up with.

Go Vols

(5,902 posts)
18. The True South by H.K. Edgerton
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 01:44 PM
Jul 2015



His site: http://www.southernheritage411.com/

H. K. Edgerton is an African-American activist for Southern heritage and an African-American member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans. He often is given a prominent place at rallies for the Confederate flag.

A former president of the Asheville, North Carolina chapter of the NAACP (National Association for the Advancement of Colored People), he is on the board of the Southern Legal Resource Center.
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
20. I don't understand that either, not at all.
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 01:48 PM
Jul 2015

'Heritage' means many things to many people. All I can come up with.

luvspeas

(1,883 posts)
11. I have never seen one episode of that show or the movie...
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 01:04 PM
Jul 2015

The use of that flag was controversial in 1979. Lots of people were against it. The flag should never have been used in the first place. Whining about it is total corporate bullshit.

Just because the internets weren't around then doesn't mean that there weren't people who disagreed.

Orrex

(63,224 posts)
28. The only bright point about that dreadful film...
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 02:45 PM
Jul 2015

Is a scene in which "city folk" mock the Duke boys as racists for driving with such a display.

The story sets it up that another character paints/decorates the car without their consent, and they actually wind up covering the flag out of embarrassment.

PufPuf23

(8,836 posts)
13. The currtent reaction to the Confederate flag is therapeutic and defining.
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 01:11 PM
Jul 2015

I never have never watched Dukes of Hazard though of appropriate age (62).

Too bad for the DOH legacy but now have earned the blowback.

The confederate flag to me has always been a ready self-ID of "asshole present".

Now it will be a label for "I am really an asshole and an asshat too" .

The wonderful women that took down the flag at the statehouse in SC will be part of a historic photographic icon.

I like how GOP like Romney and Haley have had to state the long obvious.

 

ann---

(1,933 posts)
19. No
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 01:47 PM
Jul 2015

Never in the history of the world, as far as I know, has the losing side been allowed to fly it's
flag after being defeated. Especially, when that flag offends the WINNERS - many whose
ancestors were slaves - and all blacks because of what it symbolizes.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
21. Look, a Swastica was a 5000 year old reilgous symbol
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 02:00 PM
Jul 2015

still sacred to HIndu's. It was coopted by nazi's and now it is justifiably reviled.

The Confederate Battle Flag, having been adopted by racists, is justifiably reviled.

No, it isn't an over racton. It's use as an amusing symbol of a beloved show is over.

DustyJoe

(849 posts)
22. yep
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 02:05 PM
Jul 2015

The over-reacting hysteria has called more attention to that symbol than anyone ever gave it before. Kinda pulled it from the 1 millionth down on peoples 'look here' list to putting it in the limelight. If it had of stayed as the flag should not fly at Government establishments like crosses shouldn't be displayerd and such it wouldn't have been such a flashpoint. Now it morphed into wanting to dynamite mountain carved memorials, grave desecration, removing soldiers buried 150 years, editing movies, print and pictures in the best Orwellian manner.

luvspeas

(1,883 posts)
25. To you maybe but not to me...
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 02:22 PM
Jul 2015

I've always hated the thing and I am so glad that the pendulum is finally swinging my way for a change.

I, for one do not see it as "over-reacting hysteria"

Your fantasy about "wanting to dynamite mountain carved memorials, grave desecration, removing soldiers buried 150 years, editing movies, print and pictures" is your own personal 'over-reacting hysteria in my opinion.

While we are on the subject-do you know the origins of the word hysteria? -

For at least two thousand years of European history until the late nineteenth century hysteria referred to a medical condition thought to be particular to women and caused by disturbances of the uterus. By the mid to late 19th century, hysteria (or sometimes female hysteria) came to refer to what is today generally considered to be sexual dysfunction. Typical treatment was massage of the patient's genitalia by the physician and, later, by vibrators or water sprays to cause orgasm.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
34. You seem to sense an emotional apocalypse in little more than a market reacting to its customer base
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 03:16 PM
Jul 2015

You seem to sense an emotional apocalypse in little more than a market reacting to its customer base. Possibly your own Orwellian melodrama is the over-reaction...

Mariana

(14,860 posts)
31. You can watch what you like, of course
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 02:54 PM
Jul 2015

but TV networks and stations aren't required to put on the shows you want to see. It doesn't matter if you think their reasons for pulling it are stupid. Fortunately, nowadays you can buy recordings of your favourite programs, and you'll never have to worry that some executive will decide to yank them.

Most likely, the management, and perhaps the advertisers too, received a whole slew of phone calls and letters from people who asked them to take this particular show off the schedule, while they heard nothing from people like you who wish for it to remain on the air.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
30. TV Land can do whatever it wants.
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 02:52 PM
Jul 2015

I am cool with them pulling DOH, but I would also be cool with them keeping the reruns in their playlist. It's their station, their choice.

I am strongly against the C-Fed Flag being flown on/near government buildings.

I feel individuals should be able to choose to fly the flag or not on their private property.

yellowcanine

(35,701 posts)
32. That show deserves to be pulled for terminal lameness if nothing else.
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 03:07 PM
Jul 2015

The show was full of technical flaws which seemed to be partly a result of making things up as it went along. What exactly were the terms of probation for Luke and Bo, for example, and Uncle Jesse, for that matter? And where were Luke, Bo, and Daisy's parents, with Uncle Jesse in the role of family patriarch? Also, the whole "sexy cousin" thing was just a bit creepy, imo.

ananda

(28,876 posts)
33. No.
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 03:11 PM
Jul 2015

However, getting rid of the flag is one thing, but getting rid of
the mindset is another -- hence the burning of the churches.

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