It doesn't let congress (and us through their representation) to get that full understanding, have any kind of debate or have any means of stopping it if we aren't the majority party and have the president on our side.

This is especially dangerous if we have a Republican president with the congress we have now in 2016 for that four years.

During the Vietnam War, the CIA helicopters were painted WHITE, the better to blend into the sky.

I learned about it only many years later from a friend who served in VN with the CIA.

But they fly them upside down.


500% true fact.

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conspiracy theory.

You restated my point very clearly.

I don't take issue with the people that disagree with the policy or with the secrecy around it. What undercuts those valid concerns, belittles them and overshadows them, is worldwide conspiracy theories.

seems odd to me, given that it is so secret and so well protected, that a lot of people sure seem to know a lot about what it does (that's sarcasm).

Some are missing my bigger point. I think its great that people are drawing attention to the issues. My only critique of how it is playing out is that it attempts to paint some worldwide conspiracy theory with dozens of different major players in as many countries. Such large, elaborate conspiracy theories are just not reality.
"The most successful conspiracy is a conspiracy of one"

The only solution to the TTP is a complete and total blocking due to
citizen organization to the extent that the government has no choice
but to listen.

With our current police state, divisive ideologies, and populace drugged
on electronics and entertainment, that is not likely.

Public Citizen, and almost all the most prominent Democratic progressives in this country were nothing more than conspiracy theorists. I guess instead we should blindly follow our dear leader who for some reason has jumped into bed with Wall Street, Orrin Hatch, Mitch McConnell, John Bonehead, Paul Ryan, Heritage, US Chamber of Commerce, Citigroup, Bank of America, FOX News, the RNC, and all the others
supporting these fake free trade deals.

With the trade deals? Yes.

Some are missing my bigger point. I think its great that people are drawing attention to the issues. My only critique of how it is playing out is that it attempts to paint some worldwide conspiracy theory with dozens of different major players in as many countries. Such large, elaborate conspiracy theories are just not reality.
"The most successful conspiracy is a conspiracy of one"

but no sale

"how it is playing out is that it attempts to paint some worldwide conspiracy theory..."

In what grand media market is it playing out as you've described? Or (and I find this more accurate) you're simply projecting the sentiments of a few onto an entire collective.

That being the case, it seems the very same melodrama you describe is equitably matched by your own.

My melodrama and sarcasm is intentional. I'm attempting in as non-confrontational way as possible to make a point few likely want said to them. I didn't create the concept of a worldwide conspiracy theory around these trade deals. The media, various organizations with skin in the game and those that follow those respective organizations weaved that web.
My point is simple: don't get so distracted with the web that you forget about the spider.

I don't dispute there are serious concerns about these trade deals.

I don't take issue with people trying to draw attention to the very real issues with these trade deals.

I do take issue with people railing about how secret it is and that no one can see it and then going on to talk about very specific things it is going to do to destroy or disrupt all our lives. Plus there is a worldwide conspiracy between dozens of governments and large international corporations to do it. Couched in that context it comes across as very hard to believe for the average person. Its to big of a bite to swallow at one time.
The issues are real, not a movie plot.