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The Ridiculous Mr OrenMy friend Jeff Goldberg goes to great lengths in this new article to get us to take Michael Oren and his new book ('Ally') seriously and not be led astray by the book's publicity campaign or the opeds Oren himself has written in support of it, which are apparently far less nuanced than the book itself. And yet, in Jeff's interview, Oren comes off as precisely the over-clever asshole Goldberg wants him not to be. We hear again and again from Oren's defenders (and to be clear, Goldberg isn't really defending him, as much as he'd clearly like to) that the former Israeli ambassador wanted to write a book about the fatal shortcomings of President Obama's Iran diplomacy and yet somehow accidentally wrote a book in which he not only psychoanalyzes President Obama but all of American Jewry. The latter are too conflicted and defensive about their identity as Jews not to give thanks that they were born in the same era as Benjamin Netanyahu, the embodiment of the Jewish people who brings together both Maimonides and Herzl into one unified, deluxe Jewish person. (I hate it when that happens!) Because there is no possible reason other than a psychological one why American Jews might not genuflect at the Netanyahu altar.
If this all seems a bit boisterous and over-the-top, welcome to the world of former serious person, journalist and ambassador to the US Michael Oren. If we take this new argument on its face, Oren's adoption of the kind of claptrap we American Jews are used to hearing from right wing talk radio freaks (Obama's outreach to the Muslim world is due to being rejected by two Muslim fathers) has obscured whatever it is in the book Oren might have had to say about the Iran deal. (Perhaps he can release those pages as a Kindle single? And we can all read that?) This clown deserves every ounce of derision he is receiving. His turnabout, as someone who professes to be concerned about mending the US-Israel relationship, really exposes him as a hypocrite and/or a fraud, and probably both.
When we last discussed the Oren book I noted among other things his taking long-time New Republic back of the book editor Leon Wieseltier to task as an example of the sort of American Jewish writer captured by an ingrained and pathological animus toward Netanyahu which mimics the anti-Semitic stereotyping and attacks gentiles have visited on Jews for millennia. Wieseltier, from his new post at The Atlantic, has now responded. And the result is predictably delicious, both in style and substance. You should read it. In my rougher hands I can summarize it thusly. A lot of Israeli Jews and a lot of American Jews simply disagree on some basic points about the future of Israel and the future of the Jewish people. Once you can accept that disagreement on its own terms, there's no need to come up with embarrassingly clumsy armchair psychological explanations or deify the all-to-human Mr. Netanyahu into some sort of Jewishness made flesh.
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)
merrily This message was self-deleted by its author.
Mass
(27,315 posts)At that time, Marshall wasjust starting TPM?
So you mean Will Marshall?
And do you disagree with anything in this letter?
merrily
(45,251 posts)And get some coffee.
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)requesting he confirm or deny your allegation. I did a Google search for info about your allegation and all I came up with was Will Marshall, not a Josh Marshall.
merrily
(45,251 posts)You did a google search, came up with Will Marshall not Josh Marshall, yet didn't figure out that you might not want to write Josh Marshall before posting to me, as Mass did? Or, you could have simply assumed that someone posting relatively early had probably simply confused Josh Marshall with Will Marshall and questioning Josh Marshall was not necessary?
Dude.
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)whatever condition you were or are in was not something I was unaware of. When someone makes allegations about a friend of mine, I go to the friend and ask him/her to respond.
On edit:
Your comment was still posted, not self deleted, when I wrote mine about contacting Josh
merrily
(45,251 posts)Esp. if you googled. If you google, you can easily find the names of the signatories to the PNAC letter and the name of the person who left the DLC to start the Progressive Policy Institute. Will Marshall fit all the facts in my post to a T. Josh Marshall didn't. Also, assuming a message board poster to be infallible at any time of day is folly, let alone in the morning or late at night.
Again, what is the purpose of your post, two hours after deletion and my reply to Mass, profusely thanking him for catching my mistake and bringing it to my attention?
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)my email to Josh. Further, I emailed Josh almost immediately after you entered your now self deleted comment, within minutes of my Google search. Just because something says Will Marshall doesn't mean it's correct and I neither had the time or the energy to devote cleaning up your mess. I thought, maybe you were correct so, I emailed my friend and asked him. Is it your goal to continue this conversation for the rest of the day, in the hopes your embarrassment will go away?
merrily
(45,251 posts)made two hours after I deleted the erroneous post and profusely thanked Mass for catching my mistake and bringing it to my attention?
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)to Josh BEFORE you deleted the erroneous post. That's it. End of discussion.
I sincerely hope you have a really GREAT Independence Day weekend.
merrily
(45,251 posts)the erroneous post about a second after that. Your post was not made until 10:35.
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)It's a prominent progressive blog. Maybe if you had actually read the piece instead of looking for ad hominem's to dismiss it, you would't have embarrassed yourself so stunningly?
Cause all Marshalls are the same; the name is so uncommon.
merrily
(45,251 posts)BainsBane
(53,032 posts)underpants
(182,803 posts)Marking for later read
randome
(34,845 posts)He exposes the dangerous fanatics (or as he calls them, clowns) for what they are.
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