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MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 09:45 AM Jul 2015

California Guacamole Recipe

Cut corn tortillas in triangles and fry in hot corn oil - salt lightly, drain and set aside for later.

Pick two ripe avocados or pick up recent windfalls.
Remove avocado innards and put green stuff in bowl.
Mash avocado with potato masher - leave some lumps.
Add fresh crushed garlic to taste.
Squeeze juice of one freshly picked lime into avocado. Can substitute lemon, but lime is better.
Add homemade pico de gallo to taste - can be omitted, but shouldn't be omitted.
Stir to incorporate ingredients.
Serve with freshly-made tortilla chips, lightly salted.

Throw any available peas in garbage. There are no freaking peas in guacamole!
That is all.

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California Guacamole Recipe (Original Post) MineralMan Jul 2015 OP
Where's the cilantro? displacedtexan Jul 2015 #1
There is chopped cilantro in the pico de gallo, MineralMan Jul 2015 #5
I can't stand cilantro LiberalElite Jul 2015 #82
people either hate it or love it. I love it but I get it when Liberal_in_LA Jul 2015 #88
I don't even know what it LiberalElite Jul 2015 #90
Make your own Pico De Gallo, and you MineralMan Jul 2015 #95
The funny thing is LiberalElite Jul 2015 #97
Cooking is a joy. MineralMan Jul 2015 #99
It was in a recipe in the New York Times. MineralMan Jul 2015 #9
Or picante sauce! csziggy Jul 2015 #45
Love that old commercial. MineralMan Jul 2015 #47
I'm not much into guacamole csziggy Jul 2015 #49
You can make the pico de gallo with MineralMan Jul 2015 #50
"...who think flour is a seasoning." 3catwoman3 Jul 2015 #54
Oh, yes. Love Garrison Keillor. I've been listening to that show MineralMan Jul 2015 #58
My husband and I went to one of his shows in the mid 80s. 3catwoman3 Jul 2015 #64
Too cool. MineralMan Jul 2015 #66
i hope he didn't think you were a Californian CreekDog Jul 2015 #138
Well, at the time, I was. MineralMan Jul 2015 #146
I can't do hot spices either...I think it's my old Brit pallette. Sheepshank Jul 2015 #57
Perfect. It can be made many ways, really. MineralMan Jul 2015 #60
Yes, that is exactly what I would have to do csziggy Jul 2015 #68
I moved to Boston from the south and actually seasoned my food Warpy Jul 2015 #78
I love regional cooking. MineralMan Jul 2015 #79
Baked beans in New England are made traditionally with navy beans Gormy Cuss Jul 2015 #123
You can buy Pico de Gallo that has no peppers on it nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #94
I've purchased sofrito - that's onion, garlic, tomatoes and bell peppers csziggy Jul 2015 #103
Something similar has happened to Mexican in Cali nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #104
Too often Mexican or Cajun food around is here so hot nothing else registers csziggy Jul 2015 #107
I hear ya nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #110
It can be safer - my niece and her sons have several food allergies csziggy Jul 2015 #114
Didn't this controversy have to do with the rising LiberalElite Jul 2015 #98
Probably both. I don't know. MineralMan Jul 2015 #100
No, the NYT printed a French Chef's version of Guacamole that he came up with two years ago. CBGLuthier Jul 2015 #126
Cilantro is in the garbage with the peas. old guy Jul 2015 #43
I am one of those who cannot stand cwydro Jul 2015 #116
I call cilantro the lazy spice. Because it masks an inability to add real taste to your food. stevenleser Jul 2015 #145
OK, MM, this ONE TIME, Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #2
No peas in Tex-Mex guac either. hobbit709 Jul 2015 #3
About the peas... Lilyhoney Jul 2015 #4
Everyone should have an avocado tree in their yard. MineralMan Jul 2015 #7
Will they grow in Kansas? My guess is no. MoonRiver Jul 2015 #16
Sadly, no. They don't grow in Minnesota, where I live now, either. MineralMan Jul 2015 #19
Same here. In winter a decent avacado is $2.39. I bought them 4 for a quarter in Castro Valley. Scuba Jul 2015 #125
We left California 6.5 years ago Lilyhoney Jul 2015 #23
It's lovely here in St. Paul, too. MineralMan Jul 2015 #24
That rocks! KamaAina Jul 2015 #61
Sadly, I don't have a patio I can roll a big plant onto from my house. MineralMan Jul 2015 #63
Do not say the W word around Californians who are in the middle nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #112
prolonged exposure to avocado trees makes people weird jberryhill Jul 2015 #65
Hmm...could be something else, too. MineralMan Jul 2015 #67
Oh so that's what causes that! MindPilot Jul 2015 #80
In my next life, I'm gonna be an avocado eating dog Brother Buzz Jul 2015 #6
Bears like avocados, too. MineralMan Jul 2015 #8
A well trained dog knows avocados don't ripen on the tree, too Brother Buzz Jul 2015 #18
The marsh rabbits in my yard eat the ones that drop from my tree. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2015 #52
I'm not surprised. They're a rare source of fats for MineralMan Jul 2015 #53
Peas in guacamole??? tammywammy Jul 2015 #10
There was a recipe in the New York Times that MineralMan Jul 2015 #12
SMH. Morons. tammywammy Jul 2015 #20
I'm sure they meant well, bless their hearts. MineralMan Jul 2015 #22
Gawker told the NYT to go straight to hell blogslut Jul 2015 #11
Yeah, this needed a new thread pintobean Jul 2015 #13
And you clicked it anyhow, didn't you? MineralMan Jul 2015 #17
By the way, that image is really an ugly stereotype of MineralMan Jul 2015 #41
What an ugly stereotype nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #105
Gee, thanks. pintobean Jul 2015 #118
Nope. Not strange. We both agree that your image MineralMan Jul 2015 #127
And now you're answering for her. pintobean Jul 2015 #128
No. I'm replying to a post in the thread I started. MineralMan Jul 2015 #129
The jury left it pintobean Jul 2015 #130
I didn't see any jury results. Since I don't alert on MineralMan Jul 2015 #131
so you don't know whether it's right or wrong to post something until a jury decides? CreekDog Jul 2015 #142
no, he's pointing out what she said CreekDog Jul 2015 #141
It is ugly, and quite frankly, racists, and it speaks about you nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #133
You complain about this thread and yet you don't complain about this one: CreekDog Jul 2015 #144
What's next? Speedy Gonzales? CreekDog Jul 2015 #139
Frito Bandito pinboy3niner Jul 2015 #140
YUM, especially no peas, yuk. But I agree that recipe needs more cilantro. MoonRiver Jul 2015 #14
When you make the pico de gallo, you can include as MineralMan Jul 2015 #21
Miss Piddlin says nykym Jul 2015 #15
All That! romanic Jul 2015 #143
Peas in guacamole are a sin, an unpardonable sin. Autumn Jul 2015 #25
Indeed! Now, I like peas. MineralMan Jul 2015 #27
You may be right about never having eaten guacamole. My poor Bostonian BIL called it "green slime" Hekate Jul 2015 #84
Ick! That stuff from Kraft is just vegetable oil, food coloring MineralMan Jul 2015 #92
Trader Joe's and Costco both have a good brand, and it freezes well to boot Hekate Jul 2015 #120
I'm actually tempted to try the recipe with peas The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2015 #26
What a waste of good avocados! MineralMan Jul 2015 #28
The other thing that's really weird about that recipe The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2015 #31
Sunflower and pea seeds. No seeds in guacamole! MineralMan Jul 2015 #36
Just wait until somebody gets the bright idea of adding kale to guacamole! MohRokTah Jul 2015 #29
Better than peas imo but cilantro should be the choice of greens in guac . No kale Person 2713 Jul 2015 #32
Blech! MineralMan Jul 2015 #34
If I had to extend the guac my choice would be chopped onions not a starch Person 2713 Jul 2015 #30
No sour cream, either. MineralMan Jul 2015 #37
I agree . Never seen peas but sour cream too many times Person 2713 Jul 2015 #46
I don't like sour cream on tacos, either. MineralMan Jul 2015 #48
Ugh! Sour Cream in Guacamole! I hate that too! smirkymonkey Jul 2015 #86
the problem with grocery store tzaziki is that its dip, not sauce Mosby Jul 2015 #87
Thanks! I will suggest that they stock it! smirkymonkey Jul 2015 #93
Tzataki Made with sour cream is just wrong Person 2713 Jul 2015 #115
Say NO to Peas! bigwillq Jul 2015 #33
Thank you, sir! MineralMan Jul 2015 #35
POTUS, is that you.....? MADem Jul 2015 #38
Nope. I wouldn't even want that job. MineralMan Jul 2015 #39
Everybody is somebody. nt MADem Jul 2015 #40
Every screen name has a person behind it. MineralMan Jul 2015 #42
Yes, proof that warmonger!!111!!elevens!!!! is against whirled peas! freshwest Jul 2015 #81
HA--you win the thread!!!!!!!!!!! nt MADem Jul 2015 #119
One tablespoon of Worcestershire sauce will give it a little zing! - nt KingCharlemagne Jul 2015 #44
Hmm...I like Worcestershire sauce, but I don't think I'd add it to MineralMan Jul 2015 #70
Pea in the guac? HassleCat Jul 2015 #51
Peas?!? LWolf Jul 2015 #55
We used to make BLAT Sandwiches. MineralMan Jul 2015 #56
I don't know what kind LWolf Jul 2015 #59
Trust me. You'll love it. The combination is perfect. MineralMan Jul 2015 #62
You would think the recipient called for ground up kittens dembotoz Jul 2015 #69
Actually, no. Peas are precisely wrong MineralMan Jul 2015 #71
Hey, you might have hit on something there jberryhill Jul 2015 #73
You want to see drama? Start a thread about barbecue. n/t winter is coming Jul 2015 #85
Angie Dickinson Approves tishaLA Jul 2015 #72
I take UMBRAGE at this entire thread IcyPeas Jul 2015 #74
I see from your screen name that you MineralMan Jul 2015 #77
Everything you said was disgusting!!! Except for the raw peas. I sprinkle this delicacy in salads. freshwest Jul 2015 #122
You forgot salt and cilantro taught_me_patience Jul 2015 #75
Cilantro is part of the pico de gallo. MineralMan Jul 2015 #76
Amen! Good lord, how could anybody even think of adding peas?! Hekate Jul 2015 #83
easy guacamole Mosby Jul 2015 #89
That's how I do it stopwastingmymoney Jul 2015 #121
Mexico City guac... nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #91
Perfect, definitely lime not lemon and fresh minced garlic scapes in season. Agony Jul 2015 #96
there is no garlic in guacamole either grasswire Jul 2015 #101
Ah, well... MineralMan Jul 2015 #102
Not in Mexico City nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #106
I agree, but that's because I hate garlic. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2015 #111
Close. Avocado. Salt. Lime juice. White onion. vanlassie Jul 2015 #117
So I made a batch of guacamole with peas this afternoon. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2015 #108
Peas in guacamole zappaman Jul 2015 #109
Outstanding response to Eastern culinary ignorance. MBS Jul 2015 #113
Peas in guacamole? alphafemale Jul 2015 #124
Jean-Georges Vongerichten according to the New York Times, everybody's authority on Mexican food. CBGLuthier Jul 2015 #132
another response to NYT MBS Jul 2015 #134
Sounds a lot like mine. MineralMan Jul 2015 #135
No onions? No tomato? Not guac! WillowTree Jul 2015 #136
Pico De Gallo MineralMan Jul 2015 #137

displacedtexan

(15,696 posts)
1. Where's the cilantro?
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 10:03 AM
Jul 2015

You forgot to add a pound of cilantro per avocado. At least, that's what it seems like here in California... If you're allergic to cilantro, as I am. I love it, but it makes my lips and throat swell and it tastes like soap if there's too much.

Peas? Did some desperate chef decide this was a good idea?

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
5. There is chopped cilantro in the pico de gallo,
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 10:19 AM
Jul 2015

along with firm tomatoes, diced jalapeno peppers and green onion. Everything you need is in the pico de gallo, which is an outstanding addition to almost any food.

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
90. I don't even know what it
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 07:23 PM
Jul 2015

tastes like. i just know it's vile. BLEAH! BLEAH! BLEAH! (LOL)

Once at lunch hour, I went to a salad bar and loaded up on pasta with bits of green leaves on it that I assumed was parsley. When I tasted the reviled cilantro, I spent most of the remainder of my lunch hour picking all of it off. BLEAH!




LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
97. The funny thing is
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 07:41 PM
Jul 2015

I like Mexican food - as long as the cilantro is under control. I'm extremely unlikely to make my own ANYTHING.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
99. Cooking is a joy.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 07:48 PM
Jul 2015

Once you learn, you need never eat a bad meal again. I love to cook. Learned by watching my mother as a child.

When I was about 15, I complained one day about being bored. My mom was heading out the door, and said, "Why don't you make an Apple pie, then?" She left. So I did. I got the Betty Crocker cookbook, followed the recipe, and surprised my mom with the pie when she got home. She started teaching me to cook after that. I'm still cooking every day.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
47. Love that old commercial.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 11:41 AM
Jul 2015
New York City?!?

Actually, you can use a little Pace in guacamole if you don't have time to make up some pico de gallo, but it's a little watery and can mess up the texture of the finished dish. Proper pico de gallo has all of the flavor, but with minimal moisture, so the ingredients don't alter the consistency of the guacamole.

These days, you can usually buy prepared pico de gallo in most supermarkets. It's fine to use.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
49. I'm not much into guacamole
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 11:48 AM
Jul 2015

But if I were I'd have to make everything in it from scratch - as I do with all Mexican recipes.

I react badly to hot peppers, so most American interpretations of Mexican food is completely off limits (same for Cajun, Thai, Indian, and others) unless I make my own and adjust the spices. . Pico de gallo has serranos or some kind of hot peppers, no that's a no-go for me, at least off the shelf.

I've had some success with making my own versions since many of the foods are great even without the hot peppers. A while back I had a thread in Cooking & Baking about making a curry blend that left out the hot peppers. The food I've made with that blend is still very spicy, just not hot enough to blister my lios and innards.

We used to own a shop that sold herbs and spices so I have a good selection to work up my own recipes.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
50. You can make the pico de gallo with
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 11:55 AM
Jul 2015

sweet peppers, too. Green bell peppers work fine, and add the bright green color as well as the traditional jalapeno peppers. I've done that here in Minnesota to cope with the delicate palettes of my in-laws, who think flour is a seasoning. I actually made two batches of the guacamole and put a sign on each, guiding people to the one that suited their preferences.

The things we do for our in-laws.

3catwoman3

(23,987 posts)
54. "...who think flour is a seasoning."
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 12:03 PM
Jul 2015


Are you familiar with the descriptions of church basement suppers often heard on Prairie Home Companion? Very funny.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
58. Oh, yes. Love Garrison Keillor. I've been listening to that show
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 12:12 PM
Jul 2015

since the 1970s. I've met him a couple of times, too, once in California, where they taped a show at the local University. I followed him through a potluck supper line before the show. Nice guy!

3catwoman3

(23,987 posts)
64. My husband and I went to one of his shows in the mid 80s.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 12:19 PM
Jul 2015

We were in the very last row of the theatre (I spell it that way because I like to). Talk about nosebleed seats.

We started listening in the early 80s when my husband was stationed at K.I. Sawyer AFB in the upper peninsula of Michigan. There was not much to do there on Saturday nights, or any other night.

I love the Powdermilk Biscuits music. Makes me want to get up and dance. I was a member of a clog dancing group while we were in the UP.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
146. Well, at the time, I was.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:45 PM
Jul 2015

He did a show at Cal Poly in San Luis Obispo. My wife at that time and I got tickets at a charity auction, and they included tickets for a pre-show potluck dinner. He was a very gracious person, and actually did a monologue at the dinner, too. Our seats for the show were in the front row. My former wife said, later, "I could have tied his shoelaces together. We were that close." Fortunately, she restrained herself.

I haven't been to one of his shows here, though. They're hard to come by unless you're a donor to the public radio station here. I don't listen to it, so I haven't donated. I've run across him, though, in St. Paul a couple of times and he is often in the book store he owns here. Nice guy.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
57. I can't do hot spices either...I think it's my old Brit pallette.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 12:11 PM
Jul 2015

So I grow most of my own ingredients for pico:

Tomatoes, green bell peppers, onions, garlic, green onion, salt, pepper, little white vinegar and sometimes I'll add chopped yellow peppers for color. I have added mango or peaches too and it's amazingly delish on salmon .

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
60. Perfect. It can be made many ways, really.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 12:14 PM
Jul 2015

I don't use the traditional serrano peppers. Too hot for me. It's a good, all-purpose mix that's good with almost anything. Everyone has his or her own recipe for pico de gallo.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
68. Yes, that is exactly what I would have to do
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 12:24 PM
Jul 2015

What's sad is that I love spicy food - just can't eat the hot stuff.

My husband has gotten to used to non-hot he finds it unpleasant to eat it. The other night when the power was off we drove into town for dinner. He ordered the Fiesta omelet and thought nothing of it when the waitress said it had peppers, onions and tomatoes. There was about equal weight of jalapenos to eggs. He took one bite then spent several minutes separating out the peppers and even then he was whooshing about how hot the omelet was! From now on he'll have to double check whether the peppers are bell or hot.

Warpy

(111,261 posts)
78. I moved to Boston from the south and actually seasoned my food
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 02:00 PM
Jul 2015

and immediately got a reputation as a great cook because it wasn't all boiled and I used a wide variety of seasonings. I also used hot stuff where it was needed and sent at least one person into orbit a week. All my friends eventually turned into chile heads and then I left.

I still mail CARE packages of ground chile back there, especially since I've given them recipes from NM that start out with a quarter cup of ground chile and go up from there.

Oh, some things in New England were great, like beanhole baked beans seasoned with onion, molasses, mustard and ketchup, but the New England palate was still pretty timid when I moved up there in the late 60s.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
79. I love regional cooking.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 02:08 PM
Jul 2015

New England baked beans are a good example. Made properly, they are remarkable. I found a recipe in an old book that required baking in a pot for several hours with constant attention to keep just enough water in the pot to cover the beans. I made that recipe one time, because I like cooking from recipes from strange sources. It wasn't easy, since the large White Northern beans were hard to get in California. Dry mustard, blackstrap molasses, and the other ingredients weren't so difficult.

The result was amazing. I served it with Boston Brown Bread, steamed in a can, from another recipe. It was a huge hit, even though none of my guests had ever tasted such a thing.

Traditional clam bakes, what is often called New England Boiled Dinner, and scrod are other recipes I've made from that region. All are excellent, but are decidedly regional in flavor.

I like surprising guests with flavors they're not used to, from different parts of the country. It almost always works out very well. I have a fairly large collection of old regional cook books from times past. When I invite people for dinner, they'll probably get something out of one of those that interests me. It has never failed to be entertaining and eye-opening for my guests.

It's a fun way to change things up, and people who come for dinner never know what to expect.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
123. Baked beans in New England are made traditionally with navy beans
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 04:56 AM
Jul 2015

not Great Northern (White) beans although the later can be used in a pinch. Navy beans are smaller and are sometimes called pea beans in New England.

Clambakes are called clambakes and are a type of shore dinner. New England boiled dinner involves cooking cabbage, onion and root vegetables with corned beef or smoked shoulder (ham) in a pot -never seafood.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
94. You can buy Pico de Gallo that has no peppers on it
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 07:38 PM
Jul 2015

at least here in California. Like you though, I make my food from scratch.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
103. I've purchased sofrito - that's onion, garlic, tomatoes and bell peppers
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 08:14 PM
Jul 2015

With some other seasonings. I use it to make Tampa Cuban style arroz con pollo (or Chicken with yellow rice) - different than Miami Cuban style for everything. But the last batch I made my husband had purchased a salad topper blend of onion, bell peppers and onions so I just added garlic and put in my own herbs and spices. (That reminds me - I need to buy smoked paprika, I used the last for that meal!)

I use a recipe based on the Columbia Restaurant version, from their cookbook. That was the only place we went for special meals in Tampa (though the original Columbia is in Ybor City) and my favorite meal to get was their arroz con pollo.

Tampa Cuban food tends to be less "hot" than Mexican or even Miami Cuban. The Cuban community in Tampa settled there in the early 1900s and their food is more adjusted to American tastes than the more recent Miami Cuban community. While there are some similar dishes there are significant differences.

Here in Tallahassee, there are Miami Cuban restaurants and while they are good, they don't have the same cuisine as I grew up eating when we went to Tampa!

I'll have to see what is available here and look for a recipe for Pico de Gallo if I can't find it locally or without hot peppers.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
104. Something similar has happened to Mexican in Cali
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 08:19 PM
Jul 2015

more recent arrivals want more "authentic" food, and some restaurants are obliging. While others want the more americanized version.

Since I do have a nasty gluten allergy, I have delved into thai food, and I think will try my hand at some indian food. We eat well, and quite a bit of Mexico's cuisine is gluten free, which is good.

Now a burger is a problem... or can be. (protein style for me, and not one bit of bread in it)

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
107. Too often Mexican or Cajun food around is here so hot nothing else registers
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 08:46 PM
Jul 2015

And that is not just my sensitivity talking - that's what I've been told by people who know what those foods should taste like. Like that omelet my husband ordered - some hot peppers are OK; half the weight of the omelet being jalapenos is absurd.

When we visited Santa Fe, New Mexico in 1990 it was hard to find food I could safely eat. I couldn't try the local specialties because I couldn't get across to the servers that "no hot peppers" was a real directive. They'd bring me something to eat and say, "The cook cut back on the peppers." and the first bite would blister my mouth. Often just smelling it would start a reaction.

The other choice for many of the places seemed to be no seasonings at all - that happened at the banquet for the event I was attending. Although I had indicated my dietary needs month in advance, they served me beef with a pepper sauce. When I sent it back the substitution was the beef with black beans with no seasoning at all, not even salt.

Most of the time now I just opt out of the banquets since they don't seem to be set up for any variation in diet.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
110. I hear ya
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 08:48 PM
Jul 2015

tomorrow we are going to a barbeque... so will bring food along, just in case. Yes, to that point.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
114. It can be safer - my niece and her sons have several food allergies
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 09:04 PM
Jul 2015

So she brings dishes to every family get together that they can eat. I hope her boys grow out of their allergies but she seemed to acquire some during her pregnancies.

These days with everything pre-made loaded with sugars, grains, and other ingredients that are not clearly labeled by their common names, it has to be hard to deal with sensitivities. Even cooking your own foods, it must be hard to make sure nothing sneaks in!

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
98. Didn't this controversy have to do with the rising
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 07:42 PM
Jul 2015

cost of avocados and not that NYC doesn't know from guac?

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
126. No, the NYT printed a French Chef's version of Guacamole that he came up with two years ago.
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 08:07 AM
Jul 2015

They described adding the peas as one of those things that seem obvious once you do it.

Having eaten the god-awful approximation of proper Mexican food that the French eat I shudder at the thought of adding peas.

Unfortunately I can not even make guac where I live because the local Avocados are watery and tasteless.

Unless I can get some masa harina to make my tortillas and everything else fresh I would just as soon not even think about it. I hate pre-made tortilla chips and they are far too salty for me.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
145. I call cilantro the lazy spice. Because it masks an inability to add real taste to your food.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:52 PM
Jul 2015

Of course, that might have something to do with the fact that I have the gene that makes Cilantro taste completely vile, which, given today's cooking environment where cilantro has become the lazy spice of choice, makes dining out a challenge.

Lilyhoney

(1,985 posts)
4. About the peas...
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 10:16 AM
Jul 2015

I was looking on the web the other day on how to ripen avocados quickly and came across a link that said to mash the unripe avocado with green peas. The peas would help ripen the avocado while helping to add moisture without changing the color.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
7. Everyone should have an avocado tree in their yard.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 10:21 AM
Jul 2015

In California, it's mandatory, along with a lemon or lime tree and an orange tree or two. Then, you have zero problems with finding a ripe avocado.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
19. Sadly, no. They don't grow in Minnesota, where I live now, either.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 10:38 AM
Jul 2015

More's the pity. Just try to find a decent avocado here. Uff da! as my mother-in-law often says.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
125. Same here. In winter a decent avacado is $2.39. I bought them 4 for a quarter in Castro Valley.
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 07:50 AM
Jul 2015

Lilyhoney

(1,985 posts)
23. We left California 6.5 years ago
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 10:41 AM
Jul 2015

and are back in the midwest. We did have the required avocado, three kinds of lemon, an orange and two plum trees in our yard.

Our dog loved the avocados and ate several of them a day. Her method of eating them seems innate.

Most days I miss the coast, but today the weather is perfect and everything is green and lush.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
24. It's lovely here in St. Paul, too.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 10:45 AM
Jul 2015

I do have a friend here who has a Meyer lemon tree. It's in a container on wheels. In the winter, it lives indoor, but right now, it's out on his deck. It's loaded with lemons. Meyer lemons are not my favorite variety, though. Too sweet.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
61. That rocks!
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 12:14 PM
Jul 2015

That might be a whole new way to grow warm-weather stuff up North, where you actually have water.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
63. Sadly, I don't have a patio I can roll a big plant onto from my house.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 12:17 PM
Jul 2015

A few people have also grown tangerines and oranges that way in Minnesota. It's a lot of work. If you try it, buy dwarf varieties of the trees, for sure.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
112. Do not say the W word around Californians who are in the middle
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 08:50 PM
Jul 2015

of a drought please. That is like a 4 letter word!!!! (I kid of course)

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
65. prolonged exposure to avocado trees makes people weird
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 12:19 PM
Jul 2015

I'm talking about, like, anyone who lives within 30 or 40 miles of one.

After a while, their brain doesn't work right.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
67. Hmm...could be something else, too.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 12:21 PM
Jul 2015

Maybe that explains how my brain works. I lived in Southern California most of my life, and I'm decidedly weird.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
8. Bears like avocados, too.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 10:22 AM
Jul 2015

They often come through my parents' orchard looking for them. Fortunately, they mainly eat the ones that have fallen on the ground.

Brother Buzz

(36,434 posts)
18. A well trained dog knows avocados don't ripen on the tree, too
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 10:36 AM
Jul 2015

I suspect unripened avocados on the tree may have been an inspiration for the famous KONG® Classic Dog Toy.

If there are no openings for returning as a dog, maybe I'll come back as a bear.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
12. There was a recipe in the New York Times that
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 10:31 AM
Jul 2015

called for peas. Like New Yorkers have any concept of guacamole.

blogslut

(38,000 posts)
11. Gawker told the NYT to go straight to hell
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 10:31 AM
Jul 2015

...which really wasn't a strong enough curse. But I've already evoked DIAF this week at Buzzfeed for ruining The Simpsons with their shameful video, so, I've spent all my invectives this week.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
17. And you clicked it anyhow, didn't you?
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 10:36 AM
Jul 2015

See, I have an excellent guacamole recipe, which I though should be shared in its own OP. You appear to disagree, but I really suggest you try the recipe. I think you'll agree that it is outstanding. I've been making it that way for decades, and learned it from my mother, who, sad to say, did not enjoy the peppers in guacamole, and omitted them. We have had many discussions about that. She sticks to her pepper-free pico de gallo, bless her 91 year old heart.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
41. By the way, that image is really an ugly stereotype of
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 11:31 AM
Jul 2015

the Mexican people. I grew up with people with families in Mexico. I never saw anyone who looked like that at all. The Spanish is incorrect, too.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
105. What an ugly stereotype
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 08:22 PM
Jul 2015

you got going there.

I would alert, but that is not going to help... so you get a "pass"

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
127. Nope. Not strange. We both agree that your image
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 09:27 AM
Jul 2015

is ugly and stereotypes Hispanics. Actually, we agree on many other things, as well. We disagree on others. You can still delete that image.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
129. No. I'm replying to a post in the thread I started.
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 10:29 AM
Jul 2015

We do agree about your image. That's clear from the post she made. I will continue to feel free to reply to posts on DU. It is a public forum. You have still not commented on the image you posted. It represents a stereotype of Hispanics, particularly people from Mexico that is not accurate and is negative.

I hope to hear from you about that.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
131. I didn't see any jury results. Since I don't alert on
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 10:38 AM
Jul 2015

replies to me and since it's my thread, I wasn't called to the jury. In fact, I wasn't aware it was alerted.

That a jury left it to stand does not mean it is not a negative stereotype of people from Mexico, though. Of the thousands of facepalm images available, it was an odd one to select, I think. Since your only reason to reply in this thread was to chide me for posting the thread, it seems odd that you would use such an image. The thread turned out be pretty active and enjoyed some popularity, besides. I'm glad I posted it, and hope people will try my recipe for guacamole.

Logically, I can only take one thing from your image choice and its continued presence in your post.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
142. so you don't know whether it's right or wrong to post something until a jury decides?
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 06:55 AM
Jul 2015

then why are you here?

unable to make up your own mind or make a moral choice of your own?

i would have thought you would have learned after being put on timeout in the past year.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
133. It is ugly, and quite frankly, racists, and it speaks about you
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 01:30 PM
Jul 2015

not me.

As I said, I don't alert, mostly it is useless. But that is a racist stereotype of Mexicans... At least you did not add a burro to it.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
144. You complain about this thread and yet you don't complain about this one:
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:48 PM
Jul 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024949246

and given the image you posted in this thread, it's pretty apparent why you don't see anything wrong with the thread from last year.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
14. YUM, especially no peas, yuk. But I agree that recipe needs more cilantro.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 10:33 AM
Jul 2015

Cilantro is to die for, can't get enough.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
21. When you make the pico de gallo, you can include as
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 10:39 AM
Jul 2015

much cilantro as you wish. I try for a delicate balance of all of the ingredients.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
27. Indeed! Now, I like peas.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 10:56 AM
Jul 2015

They're excellent eating, especially when freshly shelled and cooked very briefly. Add a few pearl onions to the pot and it's wonderful. But peas and avocados together? Heresy. Yes, they're both green. Yes, they can both be mashed. But they're completely unrelated as food ingredients and simply don't work together.

I believe the person who wrote that NYT recipe is trying to nauseate people. Either that, or the person has never eaten guacamole and thinks its just some green dip.

Hekate

(90,690 posts)
84. You may be right about never having eaten guacamole. My poor Bostonian BIL called it "green slime"
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 06:04 PM
Jul 2015

...and wouldn't touch it. It turns out Kraft marketed something they called "guacamole" and that's all he had tasted. Ew. That stuff was green and shiny, and probably had a lonely molecule of avocado in its ingredients, but they should have been sued for calling it guacamole.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
92. Ick! That stuff from Kraft is just vegetable oil, food coloring
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 07:36 PM
Jul 2015

And seasonings. There are some good brands of frozen guacamole, but read the label carefully. I Avocado is not the first ungredient, walk away.

Hekate

(90,690 posts)
120. Trader Joe's and Costco both have a good brand, and it freezes well to boot
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 12:47 AM
Jul 2015

The both have jalapeño in them, though, which I don't care for. Nonetheless, in a pinch I can certainly overlook that.

I'll have to try your pico de gallo guacamole sometime.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
31. The other thing that's really weird about that recipe
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 11:06 AM
Jul 2015

is sunflower seeds. WTF? But my curiosity has been piqued. I have to shop for groceries today anyhow, so... There's some guacamole in my fridge from Costco but I don't like it. The best guacamole I know of can be had at a Mexican restaurant called Cafe Ena in my south Minneapolis neighborhood. All of the food is great (though a little expensive), but sometimes I go there just for the guacamole. I don't think there are peas in it, or sunflower seeds.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
36. Sunflower and pea seeds. No seeds in guacamole!
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 11:09 AM
Jul 2015

Heck, you even throw away the avocado seed, although you can grow an ornamental indoor plant from the seed. Three toothpicks into the seed and balance it on a glass of water. Very pretty.

No seeds in guacamole!

Person 2713

(3,263 posts)
30. If I had to extend the guac my choice would be chopped onions not a starch
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 11:05 AM
Jul 2015

I also dislike when I dip a chip and taste sour cream in my guac
No peas no sour cream and really the chopped onion I would only use if I didn't have enough avocado and more people than expected showed

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
37. No sour cream, either.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 11:11 AM
Jul 2015

There are onions in the pico de gallo. It's not really to extend the guacamole, though. The added flavors are a perfect match for avocado.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
48. I don't like sour cream on tacos, either.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 11:43 AM
Jul 2015

Ick! Now, with pickled herring, though, it's perfect. On stroganoff, too, of course.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
86. Ugh! Sour Cream in Guacamole! I hate that too!
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 06:57 PM
Jul 2015

What also really bums me out is when they make Tzatziki with sour cream (instead of just greek yogurt). I bought some a few weeks ago at WF, of all places, and it was mostly sour cream. I like sour cream on baked potatoes or in stroganoff, but there are some things that it definitely DOES NOT belong in.

Mosby

(16,311 posts)
87. the problem with grocery store tzaziki is that its dip, not sauce
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 07:14 PM
Jul 2015

There is a commercial brand called Kronos that makes the sauce, it's really good.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
93. Thanks! I will suggest that they stock it!
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 07:37 PM
Jul 2015

It's kind of a pain to make from scratch, so I would love to just be able to buy some authentic tzatziki!

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
39. Nope. I wouldn't even want that job.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 11:28 AM
Jul 2015

Too many people hating on you. I already get plenty of that, and I'm nobody.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
42. Every screen name has a person behind it.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 11:34 AM
Jul 2015

That's true. Still, the President is the target for so much animosity, and from many directions. It's not a position for the timid, by any means. I truly would not want to be in that position, or in any political office.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
70. Hmm...I like Worcestershire sauce, but I don't think I'd add it to
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 12:27 PM
Jul 2015

guacamole. Chacun à son goût, though, of course.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
55. Peas?!?
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 12:05 PM
Jul 2015

I've never had peas in guacamole. Then again, I've usually made it myself.

When my great grandmother in law was alive, she lived in the middle of avocado country and had a couple of big trees on her place. We spent a lot of time with her in the summer, and the avocados were hard to keep up with. My favorite:

Remove the pit and skin. Break the avocado down with a fork.

Two thick slices of home-baked whole grain bread...spread some mayo.

Add a THICK layer of avocado to one slice. I mean thick...3/4 - 1" Salt and pepper to taste.

Add a slice of cheese of your choice. I always use swiss.

Add fresh tomato and red onion slices, and a big chunk of fresh alfafa sprouts.

Cover with the other piece of bread and devour.

GGIL always added fresh, thinly sliced garlic to hers, on doctor's orders.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
56. We used to make BLAT Sandwiches.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 12:10 PM
Jul 2015

Just add some smashed avocado to a BLT. Wonderful stuff. There's even an avocado variety called Bacon. There's a tree of that variety on my parents' farm, along with three other varieties of avocado. Personally, I prefer Bacon avocados to the Haas that you usually find in the stores. There are some older varieties, too, that you can only find in farmer's markets or in people's yards. They're no longer grown commercially.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
59. I don't know what kind
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 12:13 PM
Jul 2015

were growing on GGIL's acres; probably Haas, since there were commercial orchards nearby. I've been an addict of BTs my whole life; no lettuce for me. Imagining adding some avocado to that has my mouth watering. A BAT sandwich...I'm going to have to make that happen.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
62. Trust me. You'll love it. The combination is perfect.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 12:15 PM
Jul 2015

Toast the bread, though. It holds up better for smearing the avocado on it. Alternatively, you can use sliced avocado on those sandwiches, too. Good any way you make them.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
71. Actually, no. Peas are precisely wrong
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 12:33 PM
Jul 2015

for inclusion in guacamole. It's just the wrong flavor, and would spoil the dish.

No legumes. Nothing cooked, either. Guacamole is all raw ingredients. I like peas, but they're wrong for this dish.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
77. I see from your screen name that you
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 01:54 PM
Jul 2015

are a bowl of cold peas. I like peas. I do not like them in guacamole. I like them with onions. I like British-style mushy peas, too. I like them in split pea soup, with ham from a bone cooked with the peas. I like them raw, right off the pea plant. I do not, however, like them in guacamole. I do not like green peas and guac. I do not like them, IcyPeas, that way.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
122. Everything you said was disgusting!!! Except for the raw peas. I sprinkle this delicacy in salads.
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 02:51 AM
Jul 2015

I confess to adding them at the last moment in curry and also beef stew. The very last moment!

Split pea soup makes me gag. On the other hand, there is whirled peas and pureed carrot cold soup. That I'll allow.

At least you have the good sense to have them raw, though...

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
76. Cilantro is part of the pico de gallo.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 01:50 PM
Jul 2015

Salt? That's a matter of taste. I don't use any in my guacamole. I like the naked flavors of the ingredients. Others add salt, to suit their taste. There's always a salt shaker handy for those who wish to add some. I don't.

Hekate

(90,690 posts)
83. Amen! Good lord, how could anybody even think of adding peas?!
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 05:51 PM
Jul 2015

I have a baby avocado tree in the backyard, loaded with a hopeful crop (still only about the size of a quarter). The house came with a Mexican lime tree, which bears the most fragrant limes you ever saw this side of heaven.

Guacamole is on the menu of the gods, I am quite sure of it.

Mosby

(16,311 posts)
89. easy guacamole
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 07:18 PM
Jul 2015

Mash up a couple haas avocados with a fork, add a quarter jar (or a little less) of your favorite salsa, done. Don't need citrus if your going to eat all of it.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
91. Mexico City guac...
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 07:25 PM
Jul 2015

Last edited Thu Jul 2, 2015, 08:25 PM - Edit history (1)

and trust me, this gets expensive... use your pico de gallo, add a finely minced Serrano pepper, and cilantro... watch out for spicy... serranos can be, and these days they are expensive as hell. God I paid 1.25 for a single pepper, but we did a nice cactus leave salad, and you cannot have that without it. If you cannot find it, Thai peppers will do, they are more spicy than serranos... or for that matter Jalapenos.

The garlic is truly optional. Use lime, the reason is the acidity is higher and will keep your avocado from going brown. (To me is also tastes better). Also here is a pro tip from many a cook in Mexico... save the pit. Put it on top, and do not ask me how, it will actually prevent saith avocado from going brown as well.

This is one of those little secrets passed from mother to daughter. And I love guacamole in a fresh taco... with soft tortillas. In fact, it is quite versatile and good for you.

And I should clarify the "pico de gallo" in Mexico is simply finely minced white onions, tomatoes, cilantro, and serrano. Some people do add garlic, but that is truly optional. It is called salsa fresca.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
101. there is no garlic in guacamole either
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 08:06 PM
Jul 2015

Nor pico de gallo.

Avocado, fresh lime juice, a dash of ground cumin.

Pure and traditional.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
106. Not in Mexico City
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 08:24 PM
Jul 2015


And cumin is abused in "Mexican" cuisine... just my opinion of course.

I posted the recipe above.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
108. So I made a batch of guacamole with peas this afternoon.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 08:47 PM
Jul 2015

It's not bad but it isn't guacamole - it's avocado dip. It's a little bland (maybe I should have used more jalapeno), but the peas are not noticeable except for the texture and the greenness. I'm going to let it chill a little longer and try it with some chips. While it's OK, I like real guacomole better.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
124. Peas in guacamole?
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 05:01 AM
Jul 2015

What shit head is putting peas in guacamole?

Has anyone told Skittles?

Because some ass needs a whuppin'

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
132. Jean-Georges Vongerichten according to the New York Times, everybody's authority on Mexican food.
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 10:39 AM
Jul 2015

He's what ya call a chef.

MBS

(9,688 posts)
134. another response to NYT
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 04:35 PM
Jul 2015

Last edited Sat Jul 4, 2015, 05:23 PM - Edit history (1)

http://www.newstaco.com/2015/07/03/guacamole-from-avocado-from-aguacate-from-aguacatlan/.
Medrano is a Texas-based chef.

gives history of the word avocado, and more. Some excerpts:

In response to the recent New York Times blasphemous (smirk) recipe that purports to add peas to guacamole, NewsTaco contributor, author and Culinary Institutes of America graduate Adán Medrano dug-up his classic guacamole recipe. Just in time for the Fourth of July celebration. As always, Adán gives us not only a recipe, but also a cultural history of the origins of the meal. . .

(rest of the article quotes Medrano directly, from his blog: http://adansblog.com/wordpress/)

The name (Ahucacahuitl, or avocado) appears in early writings, MesoAmerican hieroglyphs, documenting that the Avocado is native to Puebla, Mexico.. .The earliest remains of avocado consumption, 8,000-7,000 BCE, have been found in a cave in what is currently Coxcatlán in the state of Puebla, Mexico. From there the little lush fruit travelled and developed.. .

So enjoy this recipe knowing, again, that for millenia our land has nurtured us with delicious fruits and wonderful cooks. Hmmmmm!
Recipe: serves 6
Ingredients:
2 Mexican or Haas avocados
1/2 Tbsp Green Serrano chile, sliced
1/2 Tbsp fresh cilantro, finely chopped
1 tspn white onion, small dice
1 tspn salt
1/4 cup tomato, small dice
2 Tbsp white onion, small dice
2 Tbsp fresh cilantro, coarsely chopped

Method:
1. Using a molcajete, make a fine paste of the onion, chile, cilantro and salt. Here is wheremolchileverdesml I mentioned that you can molchilehandsmldevelop the flavor direction that your guacamole will take. You may add other seasonings to the molcajete, but keep in mind that you are following many years of tradition. Make sure your variations are culturally relevant, enticing to the palette, and not just vacuously trendy. Vacuously trendy will include broccoli and green peas.
2. Dice the avocado and add to the molcajete, scraping and folding to make sure the avocado is covered with the seasonings.
3. Add the remaining tomato, cilantro and onion.
4. Serve immediately with freshly made corn tortillas, or with crisped tortilla chips.
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