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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCan't resist. Reasons for voting against one's self-interest. This is so true.
Solly Mack
(90,785 posts)Reminds me of an episode of "All in the Family", where Mike and Gloria are making fun of Archie for voting to protect the rich because Archie said that one day he might have $500,000 to protect. Never mind the reality that Archie was never going to have that kind of money and he was only hurting himself voting to protect the wealth of others and not in his best interests.
tymorial
(3,433 posts)Solly Mack
(90,785 posts)The show broke new ground and forced its viewers, sometimes uncomfortably, to see just how ridiculous bigotry is.
It also took on other important issues way ahead of other TV shows.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Solly Mack
(90,785 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)the TPP and ship more jobs to China."
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Thanks for clearing that up.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)and kept in the freezer.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)average vodka, especially when they are very cold. I do prefer small olives and not those giants they give you at the bars to displace as much liquid as possible.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Not terribly expensive but Polish (Poles invented vodka no matter what Russians say), as pure as water and incredibly lethal.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)But, Sobieski is just as good, and $10 per 1.75 cheaper.
A bartender friend turned me on to this when we were on a cruise. Said, try Grey Goosse, you will never drink another Vodka after this. Unfortunately for my pocketbook, he was 100% correct. I'm sure there are other great Vodka's out there, but this is still my first choice for a drink (with some good tonic and a big fat lemon and lime).
Paka
(2,760 posts)And in Poland they drink it with apple juice.
gregcrawford
(2,382 posts)... it's made from potatoes, as it was in the beginning. Grey Goose, Absolut, and all the rest of the supposed "premium" vodkas are just grain alcohol with expensive advertising. It's the ads you pay for, not the quality of the vodka.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)But, it goes good with peas.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)which I happen to quite like. I really want to try some good soju, Korean rice vodka, sometime.
Grey Goose is awfully good, but Sobieski is so close that there's no justifying the price differential, at least IMO. Absolut is lighter fluid. Barf.
gregcrawford
(2,382 posts)... It's the smoothest vodka I've ever tasted.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Haskell's has stores all over the Twin Cities.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)Vodka is 99% marketing and artificial flavors. The rest is flavorless grain alcohol.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)I don't like my beer too cold because I like to taste it. Favorite is IPA.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Now.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)historylovr
(1,557 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Yummy
historylovr
(1,557 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)historylovr
(1,557 posts)Actually that's what I had for dinner the other night.
lark
(23,155 posts)Love some fresh picked peas and snaps with hamhocks and Mexican corn bread on the side. That's some good eating.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)But they are not.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)And inviting them does not mean they want in. So far it looks like they don't.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Your article was from last year, and the only thing I'm finding this year is that China is looking into trade and policy changes to make them easier to conform to our requirements, so yes, they could very well be working up to joining. And if they do, it will mean that Obama has forced them to make changes to be part of the deal, and they are afraid of not being included because this deal is a threat to them without their participation.
So it is looking like they want to join, but nothing is positive at all at this point.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/barack-obama-china-join-trade-deal-tpp-118598.html
This is actually why I think Obama has been pushing this deal. it gives us more power in our relationships with China, whether or not they are a part of it. And they have too much power over us right now.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)They will still be selling all sorts of stuff to TPP countries, with or without the TPP itself. But by joining TPP, they could easily underbid local companies for big projects in other countries. So it would present a potentially massive untapped market to them.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)Always wanting to use the facts.
world wide wally
(21,754 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Ignorance can be fixed. Deiusion cannot.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)It's the rightwing radio talking points they are just regurgitating.
Some group or person has the talking point that we used to need unions, but we don't need them anymore. I have had even intelligent people argue that. Someone told them that, and they are just repeating it. If you ask them why we don't need them...they have no clue.
PatrickforO
(14,587 posts)Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)have-nots, but as the haves and the soon to have."
This is so incredibly stupid, but I think many believe it. The whole concept of wealth is that someone has more than someone else.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)which has 29 of the 100 poorest counties in the US by household median income and where the "soon-to-haves" have been waiting for generations to become "haves".
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Wishful thinking, I guess.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Great description of so many.
sgtbenobo
(327 posts)Captain: You run one time, you got yourself a set of chains. You run twice you got yourself two sets. You ain't gonna need no third set, 'cause you gonna get your mind right.
You gonna get used to wearin' them chains afer a while, Luke. Don't you never stop listenin' to them clinking. 'Cause they gonna remind you of what I been saying. For your own good.
Luke: Wish you'd stop bein' so good to me, cap'n
craigmatic
(4,510 posts)net and because he was super religious and his church told him to.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)if their churches preach it.
DhhD
(4,695 posts)of the poor or needy (as Daniel, the Prophet of God, and Christ the Savior, instructed). And the guy said to his church that he would keep the money because he, the Church, and money, are the Trinity that make man complete; they are perfect like God.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Oh man...that is my brother-in-law.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)fire
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)The rest of us just had to sit and listen.
JI7
(89,264 posts)TBF
(32,090 posts)in all this as well.
Whoever did that really missed that by a mile.
eridani
(51,907 posts)People who are getting kicked in the teeth don't want to change that because they'll never get the chance to be kickers.
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)But I support them because I want to make sure nobody else has them either.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)to repeal something called The "Estate Tax". The GOP wordsmiths were crafty enough to change that moniker to the evil "DEATH TAX" long ago. They knew that bubba would never get riled up over something called the "Estate" tax because bubba doesn't have an "Estate". However bubba IS gonna "DIE" someday, and he will get out and vote to repeal that "DEATH TAX" before he does!. Simple minds only require simple solutions.
Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)Your example is a good one. Also, I notice a flood of political ads here in NC put out and paid for the COC, urging the viewer to pro-corporate views on certain legislative or economic actions. They play up what is basically "what's good for corporations is good for you" meme ( "job creators" and all ) backed by images of blue-collar workers at work with US flags almost subliminally inserted with shmaltzy music in the background as a voiceover threatens doom for US workers if said corporations don't get their way. I'm blue collar and the condescention makes me want to throw up.
Note also all the corny muck right wing groups or associations wrap themselves in, in terms of names/semantics: Heritage, freedom, patriot, enterprise and the like.
I could see many otherwise non-partisan "values voter" types being swayed by these ads because beyond their work and avocations, they have little time or interest in reading in depth of issues. A few minutes of MSM is all they can do, and the ads are forced into their entertainment medium as well.
moondust
(20,006 posts)to get their hands on Uncle Joe's money before he dies and leaves it to me. Hell, that money's been in the family since the plantation days. Libruls will just take it all in taxes and give it away to them welfare queens. Once I got it I won't need no job anyways."
IronLionZion
(45,528 posts)So let's help out some of these efficient job creators, and maybe someday they might create some jobs here instead of China.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)It is exactly as dumb, imho....
tabasco
(22,974 posts)That's just plain stupidity.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)But more to the point that there are a bunch of cheerleaders for elite, corpratist, more-of-the-same, anti-labor Democrats against their own best interests...
malthaussen
(17,216 posts)You need to define their "interests" before you can say they vote against them. Now, we'll grant that the class war is the most significant, but only for the purpose of disregarding it for this argument. If we stipulate that they think their interests consist in fighting over what few scraps the ruling class will throw them, then what they really want is to get the biggest piece compared to other groups, and because the Republicans support legislation that penalizes other disadvantaged groups more, they are actually aligned with poor white interests. And then there is the issue of schadenfreude, which I am convinced economic determinists consistently underrate. Anti-gay laws, for example, have little to do with economics, but much to do with the desire of one oppressed group to sneer at and persecute another. Since most democrats do not support this fetish, the only choice is the GOP.
-- Mal
HoosierCowboy
(561 posts)When few people vote, any issue is a swing issue, because it only takes a tiny swing to change a result. Remember the 1% vote 99% of the time. The rest of us at about 25% if we count only registered voters. That's right! only about 12.5% of us have anything to do with the political process. So it's easy to get the slim majority you need.
No one votes against their self interest with the exception of religious and moral issues. And remember, we vote for the person first and hope the issue sticks with them.
Registering voters and getting them out to vote is the only cure for our systemic disease .
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)That is not always true. They blame the president for the economy. They blame him because they are hurting financially...
Actually the cartoon was a using some hyperbole, because they don't think things out.
Not always because of religious or moral issues. Often because they are drownng in right wing propaganda.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Cosmic Dancer
(70 posts)They just can't bring themselves to even consider voting for a democrat and they know that republicans are for the rich.
pansypoo53219
(20,995 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,417 posts)Thanks for the thread, madfloridian.