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Republicans today would have fought for the British... (Original Post) Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 OP
Except for the taxes MiniMe Jul 2015 #1
Their rank and file doesn't actually give a shit about taxes. Marr Jul 2015 #24
Isn't that why many of them moved to Canada? kentuck Jul 2015 #2
Yeah, my uncle Jacques and Pepe were making sure they didn't wander to far East, ALSO the reason orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #7
Canada is just as democratic as the U.S. daleo Jul 2015 #30
They still hate the idea of Democracy . n/t orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #3
True. They do not like the idea of people governing themselves. kentuck Jul 2015 #5
Alexander Hamilton would have been in to the 1%, did what he could for them, then . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #8
That's why so many Democrats want to keep him on the $10 bill. kentuck Jul 2015 #10
We have turncoat Dems, like Sam Nunn before he realized he'd always been a Republican . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #13
Who does? cwydro Jul 2015 #21
No the republicans, here this will help . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #23
Oh dear. cwydro Jul 2015 #28
No sweat, and by the way I have the utmost respect for British people and the way orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #29
British arms sustained the Confederacy virtualobserver Jul 2015 #4
We would have fought them in a much different manner . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #9
That's true. For this reason, most of the wingnut Republicans should be considered traitors, Cleita Jul 2015 #6
It's good to read "real history" on DU... kentuck Jul 2015 #11
Wanting the US to retain slavery was one of the motivations of the Revolutionary War: Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #12
If this were the Revolution, they would be the Tories, who indeed sided with the King. mwb970 Jul 2015 #14
Oh goodie. cwydro Jul 2015 #15
Only this time.... meow2u3 Jul 2015 #22
Before I take sides....? kentuck Jul 2015 #25
It isn't as simple as that. BillZBubb Jul 2015 #16
The war wasn't about taxes at the time.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #17
Some Brits, Tory or not still consider Americans inferior, as descendants of convict labor or appalachiablue Jul 2015 #20
They also wanted to ransack Quebec after the defeat of the French Sen. Walter Sobchak Jul 2015 #27
My understanding was the tories Was and still are conservative uponit7771 Jul 2015 #18
Tories is still a bad word in some places! n/t csziggy Jul 2015 #19
Yep, and so many others were for compromise. raouldukelives Jul 2015 #26
 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
24. Their rank and file doesn't actually give a shit about taxes.
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 07:34 PM
Jul 2015

If they really cared about that, they'd know their taxes have gone down over the last eight years. Instead, polls have shown that Republican voters believe their taxes have gone way, way up.

I've no doubt their party leadership and the business establishment cared very deeply about taxes, but the rank and file? Not really.

 

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)
7. Yeah, my uncle Jacques and Pepe were making sure they didn't wander to far East, ALSO the reason
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 04:48 PM
Jul 2015

Quebec is more French than France .

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
5. True. They do not like the idea of people governing themselves.
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 04:46 PM
Jul 2015

They have not changed very much since the Revolution actually, in that regard.

 

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)
29. No sweat, and by the way I have the utmost respect for British people and the way
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 09:53 PM
Jul 2015

they make their government accountable , or a hell of a lot more than us .

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
6. That's true. For this reason, most of the wingnut Republicans should be considered traitors,
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 04:46 PM
Jul 2015

especially the ones who claim the US Constitution is not to be payed any attention to when it gets in the way of your agenda as did the whole Bush administration on the advice of then AG Alberto Gonzalez when he attacked Habeas Corpus in the Constitution:

http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Gonzales-says-the-Constitution-doesn-t-guarantee-2622014.php

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
12. Wanting the US to retain slavery was one of the motivations of the Revolutionary War:
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 04:55 PM
Jul 2015
On June 22, 1772, nearly a century before the slaves were freed in America, a British judge, with a single decision, brought about the conditions that would end slavery in England. His decision would have monumental consequences in the American colonies, leading up to the American Revolution, the Civil War, and beyond. Because of that ruling, history would forever be changed. This book is about that decision and the role of slavery in the founding of the United States. ( from Slave Nation: How Slavery United The Colonies And Sparked The American Revolution, by Alfred and Ruth Blumrosen)

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In June of 1772, the British courts issued judgement in what is called the Somerset Case. The case involved a runaway slave, James Somerset, who was the “property” of Charles Stewart, a customs officer from Boston, Massachusetts. Stewart and Somerset came to England from America in 1769. During his time in England, Somerset was exposed to the free black community there, and was inspired to escape his master in late 1771.

Somerset’s escape was not successful; he was caught, and was to be sent (for sale?) to the British colony of Jamaica. However, Somerset was defended and supported by abolitionists who went to court on his behalf, and prevented his being shipped to Jamaica. As noted in Wikipedia, “The lawyers… on behalf of Somerset… argued that while colonial laws might permit slavery, neither the common law of England nor any law made by Parliament recognized the existence of slavery, and slavery was therefore illegal.”

......

The book goes on to tell how major decisions made by the Americans-such as the agreement to break from British rule, the wording of the Declaration of Independence, and the formulation of the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution-were all done in a manner that protected the right of the South to maintain slavery. For example: in early drafts of the Declaration of Independence, the language that said “All men are born equally free and independent” was changed by Thomas Jefferson to “All men were created equal” to prevent the implication that slaves should be free.

In the end, though, the Revolutionary War did not prevent the conflict over slavery from coming to a head; it merely delayed it.

https://allotherpersons.wordpress.com/2009/06/08/did-slavery-cause-of-the-revolutionary-war-yes-book-review-of-slave-nation/


Would the Republicans really want to fight to stay subservient to another country which had already abolished slavery?

mwb970

(11,367 posts)
14. If this were the Revolution, they would be the Tories, who indeed sided with the King.
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 04:58 PM
Jul 2015

If this were the Civil War, they would be the Confederacy. The conservative tradition of being on the wrong side of every issue and working at cross-purposes to America at every opportunity goes back a long, long way, back to before the country was even founded!

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
16. It isn't as simple as that.
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 06:56 PM
Jul 2015

The 1% and their toadies in the colonies (ie republican types) were not happy with the way they were treated by the King. They were big shots at home and pipsqueaks in the mother country. They were treated with disdain by England.

Taxes was certainly one issue that would have kept republican types in the patriots camp. Slavery, as mentioned by someone else, would have as well. The allure of being top dogs in a new nation had to have tremendous appeal as well. Religiously, there wasn't much of a fanatical religious component that would have kept them in the God, King, Tory group.

I view John Adams as a republican. But he sided with the patriots for some of the reasons mentioned.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
17. The war wasn't about taxes at the time....
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 07:11 PM
Jul 2015

Last edited Sat Jul 4, 2015, 10:18 PM - Edit history (1)

It was about loyalty to an entire system based upon the idea that a single, unelected person was granted the power to rule by God. To go against him was to go against God. Loyalty to him earned you points in Heaven. His representatives, including his governors, judges and even his Redcoats were exercising divine justice and all who opposed them were not only guilty of treason but blasphemy

Also, anyone who squealed on the Patriots was handsomely rewarded.

appalachiablue

(41,177 posts)
20. Some Brits, Tory or not still consider Americans inferior, as descendants of convict labor or
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 07:24 PM
Jul 2015

for other reasons, not w/o some justification. I don't let it bother me and know that some Brits also feel the same about Aussies, Frogs, Asians, Africans or anyone not Anglo. Ugly stuff, racism and otherism. ~ Agree that becoming top dogs and major landowners in America was a huge motivation for the patriots. Nowhere else in the old country or world could they have risen so high because of the ancient class systems.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
27. They also wanted to ransack Quebec after the defeat of the French
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 08:18 PM
Jul 2015

but Quebec was put strictly off-limits as the British wanted to keep Quebec relatively intact and not face a rebellion from their new subjects.

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