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mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 02:00 PM Jul 2015

First Greece Referendum Exit Polls : "NO" going to win

Watching TV now (In France)

Now 25% of ballots counted. And "NO" in flandslide with estimateed 60%.

Bravo Greece!!!!
At least one people and country who have the courage to stand up against the neoliberal, undemocratic EU plan.

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pa28

(6,145 posts)
1. Looks like Europe's threats against Greece have backfired badly.
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 02:04 PM
Jul 2015

Good for the Greek people in asserting their own right to self-determination.

Mass

(27,315 posts)
3. And then what? The problem is that there was no winning vote for Greek people in this referendum.
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 02:22 PM
Jul 2015

The YES was unacceptable obviously. It was not solving any problem.

However, the NO (whatever it leads too), opens a period of total uncertainty for the Greek people. The best that can be hoped is that this allows the Greek government to have more leeway to negotiate with Lagarde amd Merckel (do you really believe this?). Otherwise, what will happen?

So, really whatever the result, there is nothing to be happy for.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
6. Greek banks will remain closed until there's a new agreement reached.
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 03:00 PM
Jul 2015

So, what happens when the negotiations drag out?

Grexit is the most likely outcome now.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
8. True, but that was the case without the referendum
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 03:09 PM
Jul 2015

My POV is that the Greeks want to develop an actual plan for exiting their collapse, which the EU could not provide.

But it will be more painful in the short run.

This week the ECB will decide if it will continue to extend liquidity to Bank of Greece. If it doesn't, then the Greeks will be forced out of the euro - they will have to issue their own currency and begin negotiating with the EU for emergency humanitarian funds to import food, fuel and medicine.

As it is, the Germans want to recognize their losses now and force Greece out. The Italians and French do not, but the French are less focused on it.

If Germany succeeds, the listed debt balances for all three countries go up. But Germany has already mentally written off the debt and wants to exit the pretense.

My view is that the Germans deliberately did this.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
5. Greece chooses sovereignty over staying in the Euro
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 02:58 PM
Jul 2015

Can't say it was the wrong decision, but the government was not honest when it said a no vote just meant they'd get a sweetheart deal from their creditors immediately.

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