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Tea Party historian says Bible commands humans to work until death: God did not design us for retirementAnother conservative has pushed the idea that retirement went against biblical teachings.
David Barton, a Tea Party activist and Oral Roberts University-educated historian who promotes the idea that the United States was founded by evangelical Christians, told a religious right broadcaster that God opposed retirement, reported Right Wing Watch.
Retirement is not a biblical concept, Barton said during an appearance Monday on Kenneth Copelands Believers Voice of Victory television program.
That is a pagan concept that comes from the Babylonian system, Barton continued. If you want to live in Egypt, you want to live in Babylon, great retire. (For) Gods people that is not a model.
Barton lauded by Glenn Beck and GOP lawmakers such as Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) and former Rep. Michele Bachman (R-MN) echoed similar claims about the Bible and retirement made by right-wing Rabbi Daniel Lapin, Pastor Rick Warren, and Greg Gianforte a Koch-backed likely candidate for Montana governor.
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Siwsan
(26,291 posts)People didn't LIVE long enough to retire because they worked themselves into an early grave. Honestly, if these people held "true" to everything that's in the Bible, they'd have to split themselves in half to accommodate all of the contradictions!!
CanonRay
(14,113 posts)Stop right there. That is all I need to know.
PaddyIrishman
(110 posts)You can go to Oral Roberts or you can be educated.
BTW what kind of idiot calls their son "Oral"? Even Johnny Cash didn't go that far.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)NorthCarolinaL
(51 posts)Attention spans are so short these days, that 10 years ago is somehow considered some long term history. Article should have said something like Tea Partier AND historian; however, these websites are so desperate for business that they'll skew things for business. Or, the writers are often very horrible to the point of being sloppy and/or not knowing style elements like punctuation.
Anyway, the idea of working in older age is not a monopoly of so-called evangelicals. Doing some type of work when older gives on purpose. Sitting back and doing nothing leads to decay, especially when you stop moving.
My wife is from another country. Her family members are mostly sustenance farmers. My father-in-law worked well into his eighties. Their labor is valued. Their wisdom is valued. They are not shelved in retirement homes like in the US. They are still an integral part of the family.
Industrial society, mobility, etc. has resulted in us throwing away older people. It's the force of history sometimes, but people still need to have purpose in their older ages. People here are thrown away and forgotten and given a check. It's like the parent who does not want to spend time with his kids, but gives him material objects.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,771 posts)I thought the ReichWing preferred meth and alcohol.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)"Joe's Bar/Grill and College" has more academic cred.
And wasn't life expectancy in the Iron Age only about 35-45 years.
Whatta maroon.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)Which is why we should all do this.
And AFAIR diapers are also no biblical concept... Let 'em little shitters roam free!
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...he is free to live his beliefs, and I am free to live mine.
Since his beliefs do not include retirement, he is free to work until he drops dead.
My beliefs, on the other hand, do not preclude retirement, so I am free to retire.
Funny how that works.
Oh, yeah, and: this country is not a theocracy, you unAmerican jerkoff!
d_r
(6,907 posts)Historian doesn't really sound like hard work.
earthside
(6,960 posts)Oh yeah.
If you are obedient enough, faithful enough and good enough ... you get to work in the right-wing Christian heaven, too!
http://www.lifeway.com/Article/pastor-Questioning-heaven
Will we work?
The idea of working in heaven is foreign to many people. Yet Scripture clearly teaches it. When God created Adam, he "took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it" (Genesis 2:15). Work was part of the original Eden. It was part of a perfect human life.
God Himself is a worker. He didn't create the world and then retire. Jesus said, "My Father is always at His work to this very day, and I, too, am working" (John 5:17). Jesus found great satisfaction in His work. "My food,' Jesus said, is to do the will of Him who sent me and to finish His work'" (John 4:34). We'll also have work to do, satisfying and enriching work that we can't wait to get back to, work that'll never be drudgery. God is the primary worker, and as His image-bearers, we're made to work. We create, accomplish, set goals, and fulfill them - to God's glory.
What kind of work will you do in heaven? Maybe you'll build a cabinet with Joseph of Nazareth. Or with Jesus. Maybe you'll tend sheep with David, discuss medicine with Luke, sew with Dorcas, make clothes with Lydia, write a song with Isaac Watts, ride horses with John Wesley, or sing with Keith Green.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)Not only do I think your deity is made up in people's imagination, I also believe that your book was written by many men who used it to control the gullible.
"Bible says" gives your argument no credibility, power, or truth. It's a book. So are Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, Horton Hears a Who, and Madonna on Sex.
Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)Every word.
yellowcanine
(35,701 posts)one finds out it does not say what they say it says at all.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Archae
(46,345 posts)And is still falling.
Not only has his "history" been discredited, he claimed to be on the champion Oral Roberts basketball team.
He wasn't.
He claimed to be a translator for the 1976 Russian gymnastics team.
He wasn't.
He claimed to have smuggled Bibles into Russia.
He didn't.
yellowcanine
(35,701 posts)Almost the same thing, right?
Gothmog
(145,558 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)& Rec !!!
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)hey, idiots, way to make yourselves popular with the voting public! Please proceed...
lpbk2713
(42,766 posts)Sure enough. They all spoke Amurkin 3000 years ago.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)Or do they contend that sitting around the pool. sipping martinis, and waiting for their stock investments to come in constitute work?
jwirr
(39,215 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)you.
yellowcanine
(35,701 posts)Or maybe turn into a pillar of salt.
yellowcanine
(35,701 posts)A former chairman of the full House Energy and Commerce Committee and a leading Republican voice on energy policy, Barton has expressed skepticism about man-made global warming in the past. In 2009, he tried to argue that carbon emissions are harmless to the environment, noting how prevalent carbon dioxide is in everyday life.
"CO2 is not a pollutant in any normal definition of the term," Barton said in an interview on C-SPAN.
"It's in your Coca-Cola, your Dr. Pepper and your Perrier water. It's necessary for human life," he continued. "It's odorless, colorless, tasteless, doesn't cause cancer, doesn't cause asthma."
yellowcanine
(35,701 posts)blue neen
(12,328 posts)David Barton included.
yellowcanine
(35,701 posts)He has a B.A. in Religious Education from ORU. His claim to fame is writing revisionist history about the origins of the separation of church and state. Basically he makes up shit.
Baitball Blogger
(46,757 posts)twisted agendas.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)It's not about the bible at all.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)God - at least what I think of as god, wants us to play and create and cooperate and take care of other - ENJOY our short lives and this amazing planet.
What are we striving for anyway...we spend all our days working to survive, yet when we die, none of it matters, and we don't get a redo.
There is a better way, and it's NOT working until we die. Our current economic and social belief systems must change.
Barton and his ilk can f*ck off.
Sparhawk60
(359 posts)To everything there is a season, a time for every purpose under the sun. A time to sow and a time to reap.
A time to work, a time to retire (if you are lucky)
ProfessorGAC
(65,168 posts)Quit turning his own deal around on him. You'll have to repent, or something. Not sure what folks like him really want everyone else to do.
Vinca
(50,303 posts)Thanks to 43 I imagine I will be working until I drop dead . . . and I'm an atheist.
yellowcanine
(35,701 posts)You know who you are. Mass murderers!
12. Life Begins Before Conception
Barton has said that life doesnt begin at conception, but actually life begins before conception. Not surprisingly, Barton believes that abortion rights will lead to socialism and that abortion is banned under the Seventh Amendment. The Seventh Amendment reads: In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury shall be otherwise reexamined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
- See more at: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/15-things-you-need-know-about-david-barton-man-who-could-be-texass-next-senator#sthash.8c0fFPhS.dpuf
yellowcanine
(35,701 posts)His Russian would come in handy.
yellowcanine
(35,701 posts)Not the Onion.
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2011/3/30/155256/894
tanyev
(42,613 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)are biblical concepts. I guess he wants to bring those back.