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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFBI says.....believe us when we tell you this..........
We warned about July 4th attacks, but gave no details or information beyond "credible information".
Now we are telling you we thwarted those attacks but we are not giving any details.
And we need phones and puters to be unencrypted so we can catch more terrorists.
That is all.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/09/us-usa-security-fourth-idUSKCN0PJ2AU20150709?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=twitter
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)unfortunately I blew all my money fumigating the United States this last weekend, so if you want to be protected from terrorists please send me $15.99, to ensure my continued protection.
Bryant
brooklynite
(94,592 posts)Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)You are claiming the Obama administration does deceive, distort and on occasion, outright lie?
bvar22
(39,909 posts)...and I will say that applies to all Presidents.
Obama certainly ran a deceptive campaign in 2008.
He made promises he never intended to keep.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)What kind of boot-licking simp wouldn't evaluate the truthfulness of any and every administration? Those who uncritically cheer anything that any administration says are actually worse than useless; those people cause active harm.
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)kept the world safe from a invasion by Ming the Merciless last month.
Did you see any warships from Mongo in your skies?
Your welcome.
Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,501 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)It's been traditional since the time of J. Edgar hisself for the FBI to trumpet its successes, hide its failures, but to always, ALWAYS ask for more money from the federal budget.
You're sort of forgiven for overlooking that this time, Kelvin, but by golly next time there'd better be a budget number attached to this!
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)Last edited Fri Jul 10, 2015, 08:47 AM - Edit history (1)
We need to replace our aging D-7s with D-35 Joint Strike Cruisers. The will have the new Reverse Polarity Neutron Flow Regulators, the next generation Transwarp Caterpillar Drive with a stealth Turboencabulator and Yoyodyne Overthruster.
This week only, a quadrillion dollars.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)HFRN
(1,469 posts)then, i'd better give them the benefit of the doubt, just to be safe
Octafish
(55,745 posts)By Rick Perlstein
Rolling Stone, May 15, 2012
This past October, at an Occupy encampment in Cleveland, Ohio, "suspicious males with walkie-talkies around their necks" and "scarves or towels around their heads" were heard grumbling at the protesters' unwillingness to act violently. At meetings a few months later, one of them, a 26-year-old with a black Mohawk known as "Cyco," explained to his anarchist colleagues how "you can make plastic explosives with bleach," and the group of five men fantasized about what they might blow up. Cyco suggested a small bridge. One of the others thought theyd have a better chance of not hurting people if they blew up a cargo ship. A third, however, argued for a big bridge "Gotta slow the traffic that's going to make them money" and won. He then led them to a connection who sold them C-4 explosives for $450. Then, the night before the May Day Occupy protests, they allegedly put the plan into motion and just as the would-be terrorists fiddled with the detonator they hoped would blow to smithereens a scenic bridge in Ohios Cuyahoga Valley National Park traversed by 13,610 vehicles every day, the FBI swooped in to arrest them.
Right in the nick of time, just like in the movies. The authorities couldnt have more effectively made the Occupy movement look like a danger to the republic if they had scripted it. Maybe that's because, more or less, they did.
The guy who convinced the plotters to blow up a big bridge, led them to the arms merchant, and drove the team to the bomb site was an FBI informant. The merchant was an FBI agent. The bomb, of course, was a dud. And the arrest was part of a pattern of entrapment by federal law enforcement since September 11, 2001, not of terrorist suspects, but of young men federal agents have had to talk into embracing violence in the first place. One of the Cleveland arrestees, Connor Stevens, complained to his sister of feeling "very pressured" by the guy who turned out to be an informant and was recorded in 2011 rejecting property destruction: "We're in it for the long haul and those kind of tactics just don't cut it," he said. "And it's actually harder to be non-violent than it is to do stuff like that." Though when Cleveland's NEWS Channel 5 broadcast that footage, they headlined it "Accused Bomb Plot Suspect Caught on Camera Talking Violence."
In all these law enforcement schemes the alleged terrorists masterminds end up seeming, when the full story comes out, unable to terrorize their way out of a paper bag without law enforcement tutelage. ("They teach you how to make all this stuff out of simple household items," one of the kids says on a recording quoted in the FBI affidavit about a book he has just discovered, The Anarchist Cookbook. Someone asks him how much it says explosives cost. "I'm not sure," he responds, "I just downloaded it last night." Its a perfect example of how post-9/11 fear made law enforcement tactics seem acceptable that were previously beyond the pale. Previously, however, the targets have been Muslims; now theyre white kids from Ohio. And maybe you could argue that this is acceptable, if the feds were actually acting out of a good-faith assessment of what threats are imminent and which are not. But that's not what they're doing at all. Instead, they are arrogating to themselves a downright Orwellian power the power to deploy the might of the State to shape a fundamental narrative about which ideas Americans must be most scared of, and which ones they should not fear much at all, independent of the relative objective dangerousness of the people who hold those ideas.
SNIP...
Not everything is the same since the 1970s, of course. The media has changed: Newsday editorialized in 1972 of the Camden case, "We have come to expect such tactics from totalitarian nations that have no respect for individual rights permitting dissent. They have no place in American and those who advocate them have no place in this government." You dont see that sort of language much any more. Indeed, Newsday appears not to have covered the arrest and trial of Hemant Lakhami at all. "Such tactics" are just not a very big deal any more.
CONTINUED w/links...
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/national-affairs/how-fbi-entrapment-is-inventing-terrorists-and-letting-bad-guys-off-the-hook-20120515
PS: Interesting how Corporate Owned Media never mention that in all their coverage of the Global War on Terrrra.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)While these moves were said to be in response to a potential threat from the self-proclaimed Islamic State terrorist group,
many of those apprehended ended up being FBI informants.
lpbk2713
(42,759 posts)Much?