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http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/29504600/friends-rally-for-kids-sent-to-jail-for-refusing-have-lunch-with-dadNow, the kids not only are not seeing their father, they're not seeing mom, either. That's not sitting well with a group of Metro Detroit moms who rallied at the Oakland County Courthouse on Wednesday....
The Tsimhoni family from Bloomfield Hills have had their issues; Maya Eibschitz-Tsimhoni and Omer Tsimhoni have gone through a messy divorce and have been in and out of court. That all came to a head two weeks ago.
On June 24, the family was in court for a hearing on supervised parenting time. According to transcripts obtained by FOX 2, the judge was upset the kids refused to spend time with their father and go to a court-ordered lunch. At that point, she ordered the 15, 10, and 9 year old kids to Children's Village and then said they may all be staying their until the age of 18 unless they change their minds.
marym625
(17,997 posts)Warpy
(111,270 posts)There is usually a very good reason for kids to reject a parent and the custodial parent isn't nearly as powerful as the non custodial parent thinks s/he is at turning the kids away.
This decision is clearly insane. I can see court ordered family therapy sessions involving the dad, but nothing more.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)"Because he is violent and I saw him hit my mom," he said in court documents.
But Judge Gorcyca claimed he had been brainwashed.
Warpy
(111,270 posts)in family court, she's clearly bringing too much of her own baggage into court.
Brainwashed, my flabby old ass. Kids don't tend to lie about stuff like this and Mama's coaching goes only so far if they love their Dad.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)Who haven't committed any crimes. Yet she compared the older one to Charlie Manson's cult. And the younger ones are only 10 and 9 years old.
Makes me sick.
Tatiana La Belle
(152 posts)LisaL
(44,973 posts)Tatiana La Belle
(152 posts)Utterly alarming the way she is treating the minor children. She's punishing them, not looking out for their best interests.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)15 year old already knows what he wants, and the other two are 9 and 10, so sending them in jail (which is what she calls the facility) is ridiculous.
Tatiana La Belle
(152 posts)And the law?
roody
(10,849 posts)get the red out
(13,466 posts)What a destructive thing to do to three kids. It's like blaming them for the parent's messy divorce, or at least taking it out on them.
Tatiana La Belle
(152 posts)The woman keeps referring the the 15-year old as "a defiant child" and won't let the mother say goodbye to him before they march him off to the "Children's Village" (freaking Orweliian that).
http://content.foxtvmedia.com/wjbk/pdf/tsimhoni_kids_sent_to_jail.pdf
LisaL
(44,973 posts)her father.
God gave you a brain. He expects you to use it. You are not your big, defiant brother whos living in jail. Do you want to live in jail?
http://www.dailytribune.com/general-news/20150708/judge-compares-bloomfield-hills-children-to-charles-manson-sends-them-to-childrens-village-for-refusing-to-speak-with-father
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)This woman is freaking sick.
Tatiana La Belle
(152 posts)Read what she actually says to this 9-year old girl.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)because he's old enough to have a say in visitation schedules. Instead, this judge sends him to a state youth facility (or as the judge refers to it, 'jail) because he won't comply with her order to develop "a healthy relationship" with his father. Sure, that's gonna work out.
Then the judge had the middle child agreeing to meet with his father and try, but after the youngest child refused the middle one changed his mind because he wanted to go with his brother.
Neither parent wanted their children in state care. After reading the hearing transcript ( "You're not your big, defiant brother who's living in jail. Do you want to live in jail?" I hope that the judge is censured.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)Does she really think she can force someone to have a healthy relationship?
Now the children are locked up in what judge called a "jail" and father went off to Israel for work.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)especially when a teen is involved.
Tatiana La Belle
(152 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)true emotion.
I wonder if there was some worry that Dad would take the kids to Israel when he went. I once worked on a case where the mother was worried about that.
I and my ex lived in different states. One of my greatest fears was that he would take them across the state line and I would lose custody. Fortunately for me my kids hardly knew their Dad who visited them once a year for two days so they never wanted to go with him to stay. He called welfare on me but the lady was smart enough to talk to the girls - not me.
In this case it wasn't to long ago that the judge would have asked the kids who they wanted to live with and not interfere with their wishes. I hope someone in Detroit looks into this. For one thing they are paying for jail time for three children Who have a perfectly good home with their mother. Unheard of.
Tatiana La Belle
(152 posts)I also wonder if Children's Village is privately run and if there are kickbacks to judges for filling beds. This happened in Pennsylvania awhile back.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)to protect children is to keep them out of the judicial system.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)while the children are in "jail" (that's what judge called this facility herself, jail). Father is allowed to see them, but he went off to Israel for work.
The judge also ordered children to be separated from each other.
These children have to be going through horrible trauma right now. They are in "jail" separated from their mother and each other, yet they haven't committed any crimes.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)NorthCarolinaL
(51 posts)Tatiana La Belle
(152 posts)LisaL
(44,973 posts)Yet he couldn't figure that out.
Tatiana La Belle
(152 posts)So, it was almost like "automatic writing" in crazy spiritualist circles.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)She couldn't answer any questions when aide who she was supposedly communicating through didn't hear the question.
Apparently, those poor parents went through a 7-year ordeal and the father spent months in prison.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)I have a dear Autistic friend who once used FC and moved on to augmented communication, with the device but without the facilitation.
Her degree from the University of Denver is as valid as Condoleezza Rice's.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)the fact.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Tatiana La Belle
(152 posts)Just asking.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)So my search on the actual title turned up squat.
Technically, the no dupes rule applies only to LBN, but I consider it to be bad form. An exception is when the search hit I get is in some obscure group like Interfaith.
edit: Oh. I didn't see the low post count. Welcome!
Tatiana La Belle
(152 posts)I am sure that this case has caused a lot of outrage. The duplication was, I am sure, unintentional.
Tatiana La Belle
(152 posts)Or like him?
This is what she says to a NINE year old girl:
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KamaAina
(78,249 posts)kcr
(15,317 posts)And is punishing his ex and kids because she can.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)NOT.