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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJeb Bush: Giving students access to debt-free college education is just "more free stuff".
At an unannounced stop in New Hampshire yesterday:
The former two-term Florida governor and Republican presidential candidate greeted staff and customers at Harveys Bakery in downtown Dover.
Before entering the well-known eatery, Bush was asked by NH1 News about OMalleys goal to give all students access to a debt-free college education at any in-state public college or university. The former two-term Maryland governor announced his proposal at the New Hampshire Institute of Politics at Saint Anselm College around the same time Bush was arriving at Harveys.
Bush sounded skeptical about OMalleys plan, telling NH1 News just wipe the 1.2 trillion dollars of debt without reforming our higher education system, more free stuff. I think the focus ought to be on how we reform higher education so that full time students can get a four year degree in four years and theyll be able to access a job because well have a higher growth economy than the one that hes probably proposing.
A couple of problems for Jeb in his "reforming higher education" blather:
1. Under his tenure as governor of Florida, in-state college tuition increased nearly 60%.
2. Jeb hates Obama's idea of holding for-profit colleges accountable for the ramifications of overwhelming student debt.
3. Jeb is a fan of the Ryan budget, that gutted funding for Pell Grants.
Still waiting for someone to ask him about these pesky little facts.
Is it "joyful" yet, Jeb?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)He used to say that all the damn time when campaigning, and never said what that actually meant, much less how he'd get there.
seafan
(9,387 posts)It's either he doesn't know or 'I'll have to think about that some more...', or that he's just plain bred to rule, and we should get over it, or something asinine.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Guy's never worked a day in his life.
seafan
(9,387 posts)It's what he's done for his entire existence, and nobody knows it as well as you do, friend. Thank you for caring so much about this experiment called 'democracy'.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)apparently
http://www.forbes.com/sites/traceygreenstein/2011/09/20/the-feds-16-trillion-bailouts-under-reported/
forsaken mortal
(112 posts)A good economy depends on the population having access to affordable and quality training and education, especially in an economy that is high-tech and where a lot of jobs are, or will be, automated. An education isn't some luxury good that is just being handed out, it's important to a country's soul and success and should be fostered by increasing access to it as much as possible. Fuck these greedy plutocrats and their life-destroying philosophies.
seafan
(9,387 posts)certain things are "privileges" for the masses, instead of being basic rights for everyone. The right to good education, for example. Or to health care. Or to a living wage. Or to meaningful employment with paid benefits. Or to decent and affordable housing. Or to a retirement that's free from poverty.
That is the primary difference between us and "them". We want to lift everyone up with policies that will help everyone have a chance to succeed in life, while Republicans treat all of these measures with fear and contempt.
Hope to hear more from you, forsaken mortal. This is a great place for information.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)With him as the pig, turning slowly on the spit over the coals. He'd look good with an apple in his mouth.
I swear to Celestia he's even dumber than Bunnypants and I honestly didn't think that was possible.
Initech
(100,080 posts)Who's getting the "more free stuff" again, Jeb?
Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)What a douche.
Please get back to me when you do all that I and millions of my peers did in order to get a good education. That is, work, work, and work some more.
In my case, I had very little student debt (although it took me until my second child was six years old to pay it off, $43 a month). But I had two scholarships I earned through my own hard work and desire for a college education, and I worked (more than one job at a time) at school, during Christmas vacations (retail and USPS), and every summer (also USPS). In other words, I was never NOT working. I was not in the least unusual in thst respect, either.
In my opinion, although my college experience was life-changing, I would have learned more, enjoyed it more, and possibly achieved more if I hadn't needed to be a cater-waiter, RA, babysitter, bank teller, letter carrier, etc. while in college.
But you know what? Despite the cost of spending much of my time earning the money that paid for my education, I am very proud that I could do that. My parents (with 4 other children right behind me) could not provide the money for that education, and thanks to my mother's urgings that I learn to take care of myself, I did that. It's a great feeling, in the end.
There are millions of us who have done this, but you, Jeb are not one of them. So STFU instead of shilling for all of your pals earning money off the young people from modest means who are trying to get ahead. You have no idea what you're talking about.