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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJeb Bush:"Everyone is eventually going to be a conservative, they just don’t know it yet.”
Dream on, Jeb.July 9, 2015
Ill campaign in the Latino communities all across this country and I might do it in Spanish and in English, Bush told a crowd of more than 150 at a VFW. Im going to do it in a way that hopefully draws people to our cause I believe young people African-Americans Hispanics everyone is eventually going to be a conservative, they just dont know it yet.
'Poppy, MAKE HIM STOPPPPP!!!'
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Stardust
(3,894 posts)Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Siwsan
(26,263 posts)It is a family trait.
damnedifIknow
(3,183 posts)I think, but I'd do it very slowly.
HFRN
(1,469 posts)no, he's not
and even if he were (he's not) i'd still agree with his mom 'no more Bush Presidents'
GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)the Governor is in for something of an education on that and perhaps a few more points in the coming weeks and months.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)Tatiana La Belle
(152 posts)Conservative, my foot.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)Bu$h Crime Family.
C_U_L8R
(45,002 posts)Liberals make things.
Conservatives get all uptight and stop things.
Sorry Jeb. Not joining your stupid team.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)fredamae
(4,458 posts)City Lights
(25,171 posts)I will never be a conservative.
Johnny Bush is full of hot air.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Almost worked in Germany.
The Last Gasp of American Democracy
By Chris Hedges
TruthDig.org, Posted on Jan 5, 2014
EXCERPT...
The most radical evil, as Hannah Arendt pointed out, is the political system that effectively crushes its marginalized and harassed opponents and, through fear and the obliteration of privacy, incapacitates everyone else. Our system of mass surveillance is the machine by which this radical evil will be activated. If we do not immediately dismantle the security and surveillance apparatus, there will be no investigative journalism or judicial oversight to address abuse of power. There will be no organized dissent. There will be no independent thought. Criticisms, however tepid, will be treated as acts of subversion. And the security apparatus will blanket the body politic like black mold until even the banal and ridiculous become concerns of national security.
I saw evil of this kind as a reporter in the Stasi state of East Germany. I was followed by men, invariably with crew cuts and wearing leather jackets, whom I presumed to be agents of the Stasithe Ministry for State Security, which the ruling Communist Party described as the shield and sword of the nation. People I interviewed were visited by Stasi agents soon after I left their homes. My phone was bugged. Some of those I worked with were pressured to become informants. Fear hung like icicles over every conversation.
The Stasi did not set up massive death camps and gulags. It did not have to. The Stasi, with a network of as many as 2 million informants in a country of 17 million, was everywhere. There were 102,000 secret police officers employed full time to monitor the populationone for every 166 East Germans. The Nazis broke bones; the Stasi broke souls. The East German government pioneered the psychological deconstruction that torturers and interrogators in Americas black sites, and within our prison system, have honed to a gruesome perfection.
[font color="green"]The goal of wholesale surveillance, as Arendt wrote in The Origins of Totalitarianism, is not, in the end, to discover crimes, but to be on hand when the government decides to arrest a certain category of the population. And because Americans emails, phone conversations, Web searches and geographical movements are recorded and stored in perpetuity in government databases, there will be more than enough evidence to seize us should the state deem it necessary. This information waits like a deadly virus inside government vaults to be turned against us. It does not matter how trivial or innocent that information is. In totalitarian states, justice, like truth, is irrelevant. [/font green]
The object of efficient totalitarian states, as George Orwell understood, is to create a climate in which people do not think of rebelling, a climate in which government killing and torture are used against only a handful of unmanageable renegades. The totalitarian state achieves this control, Arendt wrote, by systematically crushing human spontaneity, and by extension human freedom. It ceaselessly peddles fear to keep a population traumatized and immobilized. It turns the courts, along with legislative bodies, into mechanisms to legalize the crimes of state.
CONTINUED...
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_last_gasp_of_american_democracy_20140105
May yet work here, no thanks to Fox.
seafan
(9,387 posts)From Ron Suskind in 2004:
That quote was later attributed to Karl Rove.
Interestingly, things must be disintegrating inside the Jeb! camp, because "the architect" crawled out of the woodwork today to do some damage control for Jeb.
Thanks for that superb post, Octafish.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Orwell:
People won't even wonder what happened to Democracy. They never will have heard of it.
PS: Thank you for the kind words, seafan. Your Friendship is the world.
seafan
(9,387 posts)In the frenzy all around us, there are very good things happening.
The Confederate Battle Flag was removed from the SC Statehouse grounds today.
Pope Francis travels the world, discussing the dangers of unbridled capitalism, the poverty of forced austerity, the devastation of the environment and the folly of climate change denial.
Because of Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and the many progressive voices around the country, including here at DU, people are finally seeing that the real threats to our lives, liberties and pursuits of happiness wear starched shirts, cuff links and carry briefcases.
So, I'm staying grounded, pushing ahead, and am happy to observe that the peacemakers and truth tellers are winning, Octafish!
And I raise my glass to to you, my friend, because you are a tremendous part of it.
liam_laddie
(1,321 posts)Jebbie (apologies to the Jesuits) is merely another bushnik, incapable of clear/analytical thinking,
much less being able to articulate points which make sense.
That is, an ideal Republican candidate, but with no ideals, except getting uber-rich.
Those Republicans...such jokesters!
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)Republicans have a wet dream about it. I've had some heated arguments at dinner parties with such "reasoning". I finally remind them of one party states from the past like Nazi Germany and the Soviet Russia and the present, China, North Korea, any one of the 'stans. I ask them if this is what they want for the USA? Of course the oligarches like anyone from the BFEE would love it.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Hotler
(11,422 posts)Blue Owl
(50,374 posts)Ready4Change
(6,736 posts)I used to be a Republican. But I saw the radical far right/weligious wing taking over and got the hell out of dodge. The leadership and direction of the GOP hasn't been what I would have called 'conservative' for a long, long time.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)HFRN
(1,469 posts)which is a surprising position for them to be in, for 2 families that have monopolized presidential tickets for 23 years
Rex
(65,616 posts)The sack of shit wants to rule, because he made sure his brother became the POTUS. Fuck you Jeb!
3catwoman3
(23,990 posts)A. Chance.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)"Vee haff vays of makink you Konzervative!"
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)I'm not about to become one now. What a stupid thing to say.
The Political class is trying to iron us all into the same cookie-cutter shape of stupid so they can keep being our "Leaders."
I think they honestly think it will work. Polishing themselves and their rhetoric endlessly, trying to find that perfect spot where they can convince us we want to do what they say for "the good of the nation(homeland?)."
The sad part is, our own party is selling the same snake oil.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)But you, Mr. Bush are a neo-conservative, a reactionary. And there is no way that we are all going to be like you. Becoming a conservative would be an improvement for your character.
LeftOfWest
(482 posts)self serving cons with a 'D' by their name only to be elected/protected.
And always self serving 1%ers. Cons love "their" money.
No matter what.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)hope he is gone by then. The town isn't big enough for the two of us.
DiverDave
(4,886 posts)Never. If anything I get more progressive as I get older. I told my 17 year old son if he ever voted for these criminals
I would come back and haunt him.
Stellar
(5,644 posts)being a 'conservative' means being a dumb-ass and a puppet. That's what I hear when I hear them say how conservative they are, or as Romney would say he is 'serverly conservative'.
You know they feel the same about Liberals, and they call you a liberal as if you're supposed to be/feel insulted and shame.
Takket
(21,568 posts)JHB
(37,160 posts)...that twice nothing is still nothing.
TBF
(32,062 posts)it's easy to have that kind of attitude.
Initech
(100,076 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)Johonny
(20,851 posts)my years of experience on Earth tell me some people never grow up which is how conservatives exist. If everyone was an adult in mentality there would be no conservatives. Instead you get mentally undeveloped people like Jeb!
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)"Backwards" being my own interpretation, but conservative brains send new info first to the amygdala, or emotional processing center, and afterward to the cognitive centers for analysis (ideally). Sometimes not. OTOH, liberals analyze first, then send the results on for whatever emotional reaction is assessed to be warranted. Brain damage could change that.
ladyVet
(1,587 posts)The older I get, the further left I lean. My mother is the same way, and so are my siblings. Most of my friends are the same way, as are my youngest son and his friends.
But hey, who am I to ruin the creep's dream?
frogmarch
(12,153 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,983 posts)Gross.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Meaning I'm committed to fairness, honesty, ethics, etc so committed to principles the right solution for the problem and telling the whole truth of the problem (whatever the policy issue is). Conservatives biggest problem or the biggest reason I won't become one is because they sell wrong under the cover of saying it is right or basically using a bullshit lie that sells good rather than the real reason why they're pushing something. What bothers me more than the wrong is the denying of the reality of the wrong and selling it as something else like "job killing regulations and taxes" and "privatize" because they will improve on the service when the goal is to turn a profit, doing a job is of less importance. When did "for-profit" suddenly become the answer to all of society's ills. It is bullshit and why I'll never become a conservative.
Though be on standby for some intense info ops as this could be more than just talk as they tend to talk to each other openly in front of the press or an audience like saying one thing that could be interpreted to mean different things depending on what is defined such as the word "good" for who & what purpose?
This 2003 statement provides a lot of those from Bush though couldn't quite find a good one to quote.
We're not going to intimidated by thugs and killers. They don't understand our nation. Those who attacked us thought we would fold tent and kind of file a lawsuit. (Laughter.) They just don't understand the resolve. They don't understand the courage of our military. They don't understand our will to do our duty, which is to protect the American people.
We're a strong nation. The entrepreneurial spirit in this country is really strong. We've got people who put that sign out there, say, the American Dream is meant for you, that if you want to own your own business, get after it. The government's role is not to create wealth, but the conditions in which the entrepreneurial spirit can flourish.
You're welcome to the American Dream, no matter who you are or where you're from. The entrepreneurial spirit is strong, and that's what's going to lead this recovery. The people are going to be able to find work because the small business owners of America are risk takers, bold thinkers, and love their country, and are willing to expand the job base.
No, the spirit of America is strong. There are thousands of our citizens who, when they see somebody who hurts, are loving them, like I said earlier. There are people, when they see the hunger -- hungry, provide the food. When they know somebody is homeless, provide the shelter. There are people who are helping little children understand what is necessary to learn to read. There are drug addicts who suffer. Yet there are great faith-based programs in America who are helping to heal hearts first, and then change habits. The faith of this country - (applause.) We're a strong country because of our values. We believe in justice, we believe in human dignity, and we believe in freedom. And it is such an honor to represent this great land.
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2003/10/20031003-4.html
Probably nitpicking with this but "There are people who are helping little children understand what is necessary to learn to read." what is necessary suggests an implication that there is a view of what is unnecessary to read and varies depending on where the parameters are defined. Also have a theory freedom in the context of Reagan-Bush era foreign policies are freedom for private business to do what they want, forced labor, dumping chemicals in lakes or rivers, while also not saying they are doing this.
This was at the beginning
Today I also had the privilege of flying from Washington to Milwaukee with three members of the congressional delegation from the great state of Wisconsin: Jim Sensenbrenner, Tom Petri, and Paul Ryan. These are fine -- (applause). We had a great visit on the plane. There is no air raids on Air Force One, by the way. (Laughter.) And it's a chance for us to talk about issues of concern and one thing is clear, the three love the state of Wisconsin and they represent you well, and I'm proud to call them friends, and I enjoy working with them. I enjoy working with them to try to change the tone in Washington, to elevate the discourse, to get rid of needless politics and partisan bickering and focus on the people's business. They understand what I'm talking about, and they're good, strong leaders.
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2003/10/20031003-4.html
I fully expect with this statement from Jeb of many people becoming conservative without knowing it because the truth is so badly misrepresented that reporting the truth inspires outrage.
Faux pas
(14,681 posts)in another universe.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)I politely invite you to fuck yourself with a rusty, red hot meathook.
sendero
(28,552 posts)... proves again that he isn't.