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How disappointing to see Bill Clinton pal around with a terrorist/ war criminal (Original Post) vt_native Jul 2015 OP
Brother from another mother Fumesucker Jul 2015 #1
Sharing a good laugh at the expense of the black guy tularetom Jul 2015 #18
??? TacoD Jul 2015 #24
I have no idea what they're actually laughing at tularetom Jul 2015 #30
If I recall correctly more than a few missiles were lobbed at Iraq during Clinton's presidency. CBGLuthier Jul 2015 #2
You recall correctly. merrily Jul 2015 #6
And the 500K Iraqi kids who died due to his refusal to end sanctions Cal Carpenter Jul 2015 #32
Carter ? n/t CincyDem Jul 2015 #52
I was going to include him in my post. Without researching I do believe he managed four years CBGLuthier Jul 2015 #55
I think you're right. CincyDem Jul 2015 #58
The Clinton and Bush families have become very close with many media pieces PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #3
Barbara Bush described Clinton as 'like a son to me'. The all belong to a club and as George Carlin sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #25
Ugh. SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #27
...! KoKo Jul 2015 #44
Yet again. merrily Jul 2015 #4
At his own library dedication in the rain.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #5
Exactly! ctsnowman Jul 2015 #16
I am glad I don'see things like Bill Clinton does olddots Jul 2015 #19
the Bush family adopted him and yes it's disappointing! Everybody gave Carter B Calm Jul 2015 #7
+1000 Hydra Jul 2015 #20
I'm curious if the Bushes will allow Obama to use the front door, bvar22 Jul 2015 #34
lol, I think he'll have to get the door for Jeb or Hillary before they show him either door Hydra Jul 2015 #36
Not as disappointing as the possibility of a Clinton-Bush presidential election in 2016 tularetom Jul 2015 #8
Ah, the royal families take tea. moondust Jul 2015 #9
Yes indeed democrank Jul 2015 #10
Well, as the old saying goes, Unknown Beatle Jul 2015 #11
Because they are sophisticated, worldly, statesmen. jomin41 Jul 2015 #12
The Clintons and Bushes have been pals for a long, long time. Scuba Jul 2015 #13
Wow, they've been close for that long? That explains a lot! I admit to having been a total sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #29
Wow is an understatement. I wonder what the story is snagglepuss Jul 2015 #37
That looks like Geoge Wallace that bush is shaking hands with? jwirr Jul 2015 #39
That's him. Scuba Jul 2015 #40
That was not in Wallace's evolving years either. That picture would have been very valuable in jwirr Jul 2015 #50
oh. my. dawg. where was that pic hiding when we needed it? magical thyme Jul 2015 #42
Do you know the story behind this? This ought to be a thread to itself. snagglepuss Jul 2015 #54
It's been on DU many times before ... Scuba Jul 2015 #61
Thanks for the link . Strange how much one can miss. snagglepuss Jul 2015 #66
Sad neither hangs out with Jimmy Carter rurallib Jul 2015 #14
They've been BFFs for quite awhile. bigwillq Jul 2015 #15
Seems like a good cause oberliner Jul 2015 #17
Personally I would not be involved in any way with War Criminals, no matter what the 'cause' was. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #28
Would you be President of the United States? oberliner Jul 2015 #31
That's a sad statement. And only emphasizes how badly this country needs a complete sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #47
I saw them this am first thing. Disappointing isn't the word that comes to my mind. lonestarnot Jul 2015 #21
This doesn't help Hillary. kentuck Jul 2015 #22
It might hurt her chances if more than a handful of people cared. n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #45
Amen Hepburn Jul 2015 #23
Birds of a feather and all that madokie Jul 2015 #26
They've been palling around since Hurricane Katrina KamaAina Jul 2015 #33
see post #13. looks like they've had a relationship a lot longer than that. magical thyme Jul 2015 #43
I've always thought so. Duppers Jul 2015 #35
it's a pretty elite and small club. spanone Jul 2015 #38
In doing net research for my No-Jeb site, John Poet Jul 2015 #41
Jerry Falwell and his associates claimed Bill Clinton was running a drug smuggling ring. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #48
OK... That's somewhat different John Poet Jul 2015 #63
I lived those days. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #64
We've been getting played for years whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #46
We have our own banality of evil in this country too lunatica Jul 2015 #49
You Better Believe It! nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #51
How many different posters whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #53
Bless your heart. msanthrope Jul 2015 #56
Cool, another impotent, meaningless response whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #57
Bill is a people person. olddots Jul 2015 #59
They are the best of friends. hifiguy Jul 2015 #60
But unsurprising. GoneOffShore Jul 2015 #62
It's just more evidence that makes it obvious.. sendero Jul 2015 #65

TacoD

(581 posts)
24. ???
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 11:13 AM
Jul 2015

Are you saying that they are laughing at President Obama's expense? Or are you saying "brother from another mother" is somehow a racial expression?

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
30. I have no idea what they're actually laughing at
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 12:04 PM
Jul 2015

But I would not be at all surprised, given some of Bill Clinton's past little racist innuendos directed toward Obama, that they have enjoyed a good chortle or two at his expense.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
2. If I recall correctly more than a few missiles were lobbed at Iraq during Clinton's presidency.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 05:26 AM
Jul 2015

wikipedia URL does not display correctly. Google 1998 Iraq bombing campaign.

It is the rare US president who does not have a little blood on his hands.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
6. You recall correctly.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 06:00 AM
Jul 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12776532


Also, there were a few things Poppy couldn't manage to pull off during his one-term Presidency. Clinton, our first official DLC President, was the closer. NAFTA leaps to mind.

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
32. And the 500K Iraqi kids who died due to his refusal to end sanctions
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 01:57 PM
Jul 2015

by repeatedly vetoing the effort that every other country supported.


Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.

–60 Minutes (5/12/96)

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
55. I was going to include him in my post. Without researching I do believe he managed four years
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 11:20 AM
Jul 2015

without killing anyone. He really is and was a good man. And an exception to the bloody rule of 20th century presidents.

CincyDem

(6,360 posts)
58. I think you're right.
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:04 PM
Jul 2015


I've always heard the phrase "Carter never ordered an offensive shot fired" but I couldn't fund any substantiation. Seems like it's true but I thought I'd throw it up there more as a question vs. statement of fact.

I'm always amazed when I hear the stat that the US has been at was for something like 200 out of 240 years and that war is our most profitable export. Sheesh.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
3. The Clinton and Bush families have become very close with many media pieces
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 05:42 AM
Jul 2015

documenting their relationship. For example:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/03/05/george-h-w-bush-on-bonding-with-bill-clinton/

Washington (CNN) – They faced off as bitter foes in the 1992 election. Today George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton are good friends - some even describe it almost as a father-son type relationship.

In this updated collection of letters, e-mails and other writings, "All The Best, George Bush; My Life in Letters and other Writings," Mr. Bush recounts the unlikely journey the two travelled to become so close today.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
25. Barbara Bush described Clinton as 'like a son to me'. The all belong to a club and as George Carlin
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 11:16 AM
Jul 2015

said, we ain't in it. I wouldn't want to be.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
27. Ugh.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 11:51 AM
Jul 2015

I realize people at the top have to work together and be reasonably civil, but anyone who could behave toward Barbara in such a way (very personally close and friendly, apparently) as to elicit that comment ain't my kind of person. She's just horrible. She doesn't deserve even common courtesy, but I would give her that - and ONLY that.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
5. At his own library dedication in the rain....
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 05:57 AM
Jul 2015

"Am I the only person in the entire United States of America who likes both George Bush and John Kerry, who believes they're both good people, who believes they both love our country and they just see the world differently?"

Yes you are.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
7. the Bush family adopted him and yes it's disappointing! Everybody gave Carter
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 06:02 AM
Jul 2015

hell, but at least he don't pal around with the Bush Crime Family!

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
20. +1000
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 09:52 AM
Jul 2015

The Clintons were adopted into the "Big Club" as Carlin called it. The Obamas have been too.

It's discouraging that the Bushes have been in total control of the executive and probably other branches since 1980...and will continue to be.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
34. I'm curious if the Bushes will allow Obama to use the front door,
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 03:53 PM
Jul 2015

or will he have to use the servants entrance in back.

democrank

(11,094 posts)
10. Yes indeed
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 06:04 AM
Jul 2015

Yesterday I watched about a half hour of this lovefest on CNN. At one point, President Clinton covered Bush`s hand with his own and left it there for some time. The CNN anchor even mentioned it. I`m certainly a fan of civility between politicians when possible, but this was far beyond that. Personally, my value system wouldn`t allow me to be that close with a war criminal.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
29. Wow, they've been close for that long? That explains a lot! I admit to having been a total
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 12:03 PM
Jul 2015

moron for a long time. I actually bought the whole game that was being played.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
37. Wow is an understatement. I wonder what the story is
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 10:12 PM
Jul 2015

behind the photo - was it a fluke they were at the same table or was their some sort of relationship?

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
50. That was not in Wallace's evolving years either. That picture would have been very valuable in
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 10:52 AM
Jul 2015

a few of our elections in the late 1990s and early 2000s.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
54. Do you know the story behind this? This ought to be a thread to itself.
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 11:14 AM
Jul 2015

Please consider doing a OP. Thanks for posting.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
61. It's been on DU many times before ...
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 04:16 PM
Jul 2015

Per Reddit (and other sources) ...

http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/2gb6sv/future_presidents_bill_clinton_and_george_bush/

Future presidents Bill Clinton and George Bush with Governor George Wallace at a BBQ in 1983
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
17. Seems like a good cause
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 08:13 AM
Jul 2015

There are worse things in the world than ex-presidents from different parties being cordial with one another.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
28. Personally I would not be involved in any way with War Criminals, no matter what the 'cause' was.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 12:00 PM
Jul 2015

Not to mention that any 'cause' the Bushes have ever been involved in, has turned out, as the 'education' project for Katrina victims, eg, to be most profitable for THEM.

Corrupt, war criminals should be prosecuted.

I can't think of anything worse frankly, than for a country to be willing to move forward from massive War Crimes and then treat their war criminals as if they were elder statespersons. It is truly sickening when I think of all the victims, including our own soldiers.

AND maybe you will see not much wrong with this either, apparently it IS legal, Bush charged Veterans $100,000 to listen to him 'speak' this past week.

I guess we have very different views of what is okay morally for politicians assuming they care about people's opinions of them, or about right and wrong, to get involved in.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
31. Would you be President of the United States?
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 01:47 PM
Jul 2015

Sort of hard to not be involved with any war criminals if you are.

In fact, there are some who would argue that Bill Clinton himself is a war criminal.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
47. That's a sad statement. And only emphasizes how badly this country needs a complete
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 10:20 AM
Jul 2015

change of foreign policies and most of all, leadership.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
33. They've been palling around since Hurricane Katrina
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 01:59 PM
Jul 2015
https://www.clintonfoundation.org/main/news-and-media/press-releases-and-statements/press-release-president-bush-and-clinton-establish-bush-clinton-katrina-fund-to.html

Former Presidents George Bush and Bill Clinton will announce today that they have established a special fund to raise money for the victims of Hurricane Katrina. This fund will serve to fill in the gaps in unmet needs that arise in the weeks and months ahead with this recovery effort.


 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
41. In doing net research for my No-Jeb site,
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 06:43 AM
Jul 2015

I was rather disturbed to be running across a number of websites which had to do with allegations about the Bushes and drug-running, going all the way back to Iran-Contra,
some of which ALSO sought to tie Bill Clinton into the same allegations as being somehow involved with them...
something about an airport in Arkansas supposedly being used as a drug entry point while Bill was Governor....

Don't recall the exact details as I really didn't want to know,
I wasn't there to hunt up any dirt on Bill Clinton,
but I do recall thinking at the time,

"If all that were true, it would certainly help to explain the 'closeness' of their two families...."


Anyway, I am disgusted with the Clinton affinity for the Bushes.
The phrase 'sleeping with the enemy' comes to mind...



DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
48. Jerry Falwell and his associates claimed Bill Clinton was running a drug smuggling ring.
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 10:30 AM
Jul 2015

Jerry Falwell and his associates claimed Bill Clinton was running a drug smuggling ring.

One of the allegations, that Clinton protected an Arkansas-based
cocaine-smuggling operation when he was governor of that state, spread from
local talk radio shows to propaganda videos to the mainstream media, and
eventually prompted an exhaustive, multimillion-dollar investigation by the
House Banking Committee in 1994. The investigation concluded Clinton had
nothing to do with the drug operation.

In another instance, in March, 1995, the Arkansas represenative of Citizens
for Honest Government signed a contract agreeing to pay two Arkansa state
troopers who had made questionable allegations supporting the theory that
the late White House Counsel Vincent Foster had been murdered. The
troopers, Roger Perry and Larry Patteson, who had previously told news
organizations about Clinton’s alleged extramarital affairs, had provided
information about Foster’s death to Kenneth Starr, the Whitewater
independent counsel.

The drug smuggling and Vincent Foster allegations were prominently featured
in “The Clinton Chronicles,” a video produced by Citizens for Honest Government
and co-financed, publicized and distributed by Falwell. The notorious 1994 video
also insinuated that Clinton’s political adversaries often met untimely and
suspicious deaths.

http://www.salon.com/1998/03/11/cov_11news/



But I can not find any suggestion he did it at the behest of the Bushes. I hope I helped you research.
 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
63. OK... That's somewhat different
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 04:53 PM
Jul 2015

but it would seem to reveal the original source. I didn't realize the drug traffic allegations were originally part of "The Clinton Chronicles" garbage.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
49. We have our own banality of evil in this country too
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 10:38 AM
Jul 2015

It's really very sad. Depressing actually.

Things changed completely the day the Supreme Court selected Bush. If any day can be said to represent the fall of our Constitutional government and our Democracy it's that day. We just don't seem to get it yet. We hardly even remember that day anymore, still going along with the pretend game that our country is a great Democracy.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
60. They are the best of friends.
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:19 PM
Jul 2015

The Chimp said he regards HRC as a "sister in law."

A more damning comment I cannot imagine.

Vultures of a feather united in their never-ending service to the plutocrats.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
65. It's just more evidence that makes it obvious..
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 05:01 PM
Jul 2015

.... that no matter who is in the office of the president, the high-level agenda remains the same.

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