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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIn all my life, I have never seen so many idiots in politics
I've seen Congress and States full of evil, bigoted corporate shills. Corrupt, slimy thieves, and pompous, blowhard assholes.
But I have never seen so many just plain dumb, ignorant, stupid, ill-informed dithering morons.
(need I say, all Republicans?)
Is it just me?
MADem
(135,425 posts)Cheezuz Rice on a Pogo Stick!
edhopper
(33,580 posts)keeps getting re-elected.
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MADem
(135,425 posts)Now he's criticizing the Pope!!! It's a crazy world when the POPE has more science education and understanding than a US congressman...but there ya go!
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/louie-gohmert-the-pope-is-wrong-on-climate-change-just-ask-galileo/
Louie Gohmert: The Pope Is Wrong on Climate Change Just Ask Galileo
by Matt Wilstein | 11:49 am, July 8th, 2015
When Pope Francis I unveiled his latest encyclical that framed climate change as a moral issue that must be acknowledged and tackled head-on by Christians around the world, Catholic conservatives like Rick Santorum were quick to inform him he should leave science to the scientists. Today, Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) took things even further by saying the supposedly infallible religious leader is flat-out wrong when it comes to environmental science.
Gohmert immediately began laughing as C-SPANs Greta Brawner began to ask him about the popes position. The trouble is that he has been persuaded that climate change is something that is dramatically affecting the planet right now, hes bought in to all this, the congressman said. While he insisted he has the utmost respect for Pope Francis, he also noted, We have had popes that made enormous mistakes that were influenced by the world around them.
According to Gohmert, if the pope were to objectively look at the data, he would see that the Earth is not actually warming at all. Asked who exactly persuaded the pope to make his pronouncement, he said it was by the massive onslaught of media trying to convince the world that climate change is our leading problem, the president said it repeatedly. While he said, its wonderful if the pope listens to the words of the U.S. president, he decried the fact that scientists do not allow opposing viewpoints on this issue.
Since when does science not allow opposing viewpoints? he asked, rhetorically. Well, they didnt allow Galileo to make an opposing viewpoint, there were a lot of accurate opposing viewpoints that were not allowed at the time that were later allowed to come in.
What a buffoon!!!! Galileo he ain't, either!!!!
edhopper
(33,580 posts)keep voting for him.
MADem
(135,425 posts)It does grow old and pass on, though...
A lot of his target market are scared, aging haters who don't like seeing the world change.
And boy, is the world changing!! I'm sure they're having coniptions...!
erronis
(15,264 posts)corkhead
(6,119 posts)elected to office cuz they like to see things blowed up real good.
spanone
(135,838 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)I'd say that Ivy League education was most assuredly wasted on him!
edhopper
(33,580 posts)are anti-intellectual.
corkhead
(6,119 posts)He's more then creepy, he reminds me of the President in Dead Zone...... "The missiles are flying, halleulah, halleulah"...this dude is SCARY.....
TRoN33
(769 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)procon
(15,805 posts)of a large number of people who are at least - if not more so -- as crazy stupid as they are. How did that happen???
randys1
(16,286 posts)vicious racist fucks in this country and racism or hatred of the non whites is what ties them all together
archiemo
(492 posts)the bogus "oh, your party has its nuts too" comeback. Really?!? I can't name one that I'm embarrassed by.
cloudbase
(5,518 posts)Sheila Jackson Lee. She's not taken very seriously here in Houston.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Back before corporations became people, campaign money was effectively filtered by the parties and other political apparatus. The effect of that was obviously incompetent morons usually couldn't get enough money to compete beyond the local level.
After CU, you just need to convince one really rich guy that you completely agree with everything he says. And that's pretty damn easy to do, even for a moron.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)CU was a deadly blow to our democracy.
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)Soneone funded the populace of Arkham to hold office.
Jerry442
(1,265 posts)Duncan Black over at Eschaton once speculated that if the hypothesis that associates exposure to environmental lead contamination during childhood with violent crime later in life were true, then there would also be a whole range of assholish behaviors not quite rising to the level resulting in an arrest that would also be increased.
Like, say, being an ultra-conservative politician.
Just sayin'.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)when business interests have a gilded boot on governments neck.
McKim
(2,412 posts)Yes. It is frightening that these extremists with crazy ideas get so much serious attention as if they were reasonable people with ideas of merit to consider. They have no solutions. It is hate, hate, hate all the time. It is pathetic that FOX News Ideas have become so prevalent. It is so sad and scary that many many working class people have been attracted to this garbage and vote against their own interests. It is all engineered by very clever psychologists and wordsmithers. It is sad that our people are so easily led.
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)one wants / a group to do with this country. Paul Joseph Goebbels would have loved the US, people, many, are putty and can be shaped by propaganda so easily. My fear is, history often repeats.
I cringe at the future of this country under some of these characters so outspoken and prevalent in the US today. So many citizens can't seem to get their heads out of the propagandized ruts they dwell in to see what is occurring.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)police violence against another black youth for some petty crime - have really made me think about Nazi Germany. How close are we to repeating that era and did they get to that state in the same way? Hate propaganda by corporate stooges. And a gullible populace who refuse to see the problem.
This election we (Democrats) seem to be talking about the real problems and I hope that finally gets people to wake up before we hit the point of no return.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Trump is polling so high proves it!
zentrum
(9,865 posts)
.of how much we've lost to the right wing. The current stupidity is the result of them taking over boards of education in the 80's, taking over the media which controls the framing narratives and critical thinking, the shrinking of the middle class which makes people live in fear and stresswhich makes them more manipulable, less thinking.
The entire world notices how much stupider america is. They are appalled. It started with the rise of the Moral Majority and Reagan and has developed, by design, ever since.
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)across the world since the 80's. Much of the respect today is because America will bomb the hell out of a place that does not agree with the policies. For example, Trump's recent loose cannon comments. Bombs, destruction and death is not always the best solution.
This country must end Citizens United and must get the money out of politics. It is insane to sell the government to monied interests and then claim it's a democracy free and equal.
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)I would lay the root more so at our high level of living.
We are too comfortable, too distracted by our interests, too caught up in technology ...
It isn't just politics, it is reality TV, all of it.
People want to say the pols are the problem, but the root is us ...
It is absolutely a reflection of who we are.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)In fact, members of the "Opposition Party" crossing over were necessary to help Bush and the Republicans.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)kacekwl
(7,017 posts)RKP5637
(67,108 posts)is going to be a horrific place to live. Politics has become a reality show for stupidity and Idiocracy in this country. Sadly, I also think many see it as a spectator sport to watch stupidity in action, but more concerning are those that think it is great and candidates have any substance. Most of them are blithering bigoted racist moronic fools, and, it has nothing to do with their level of education. And many are very dangerous, because they are bright.
And $$$$$'s love this, because they can run rampant over the country as politicians are bought and used as tools to enable the exceptionally wealthy for more $$$$$'s. And many vote them in, because critical thinking in the US has gone down the drain in the land of Idiocracy!
Just looking the the lineup of republican presidential hopefuls is frightening!
randys1
(16,286 posts)so this may end up in a confrontation before you know it
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)but the types of individuals pushing the alienation of citizens toward each other seems similar. It is F'en disgusting.
The RW radio stations here are incredible, the bashing just done not let up, just one thing after another, and if silence, some fake outlandish rhetoric is manufactured to fill the void. It seems they want all out warfare across the nation.
Frankly, I seriously think it's a mental condition much as some studies have concluded on the predisposition for this type of behavior ... and improved communications have allowed these individuals to coalesce together.
What is even more disturbing is many seem to have no idea this is occurring. There is already a war going on. Moreover the march by this nation into Idiocracy is exceptionally disturbing.
tblue37
(65,371 posts)an organization or even a whole society can be contaminated by psychopathy if psyxhopaths gain enough power to force conditions under which normal people must follow psychopathic behavioral patterns to succeed, or even to survive at all. He points out that in a runaway capitalistic, individualistic, competitive economy like the one in the US today, which is also operating on a global scale now, the psychopathy feeds on itself, and the feedback loop keeps ramping it up.
It is no accident that psychopaths are 4x more frequently found in certain groups--including CEOs, politicians, finance bigwigs, and powerful, influential media figures. Successful, effective psychopaths seek out opportunities to manipulate people, as well as to accumulate and assert power, and our culture and economic structure provide a perfect playground for them. (Dick Cheney is the perfect example of the sort of person who thrives in today's world.)
Here is a link to the Kindle edition on Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/Psychopathic-Cultures-Toxic-Empires-Black-ebook/dp/B00QXXG02U
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)Unfortunately in the US and in some other countries it can be a very financially rewarding career to dump on people, trash the earth, and all the rest that goes with it. And, there's big money in death and destruction. It's revolting.
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)RKP5637
(67,108 posts)the microphone for only a few minutes before the white coats came and got them. As you say, they would have been laughed off the stage. Today, they have often become celebrities.
spiderpig
(10,419 posts)(Shakes head)
edhopper
(33,580 posts)there seems to be nothing to embarrassing, too shameful, to ridiculous that they can say that hurts them.
There is no longer any consequences of their hateful stupidity.
slow drip since the 90s ...
They have wore out the public and bullied the media to the point where they almost literally is nothing they can say or do that the end up paying for.
dsharp88
(487 posts)They use a bogus source to gather idiotic misinformation.
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)It stared with the Gingrich crew in the early 90s.
They went mean, nasty and hyper partisan and it worked for them.
The increasing problem is this:
That crew operated from the mindset that the ends justified the means. They believed in the cause and sold out to lying, cheating, stealing, bullshitting at a whole higher level out of frustration of not being able to control the country. Some of them knew what they were doing, some of them were just that deluded.
However, over time, we have now reached a generation of republican politicians that grew up during that time that have totally disconnected from reality. Truth and reality literally has not meaning to them. They just make up shit and throw a fit and that is it.
During the 90s, the media passively caved to being bullied over the "liberal media" meme, as well as the buying of news outlets by monied interest and the consolidation of the conservative media complex.
At that time, they just sort of enabled the republicans passively.
Today, they don't even try to make the pretense of being unbiased. They openly cheer conservative politics and expressly disdain core journalistic principles.
"But more importantly, it would be stuff that Republicans have successfully messaged against it," (Chuck) Todd told Rendell. "They don't repeat the other stuff because they haven't even heard the Democratic message. What I always love is people say, 'Well, it's you folks' fault in the media.' No, it's the President of the United States' fault for not selling it."
TNNurse
(6,926 posts)and reasonable people in the Republican party, but they do not apparently run for office. They party has allowed the Tea Party and other extreme, irrational and poorly educated conservatives to take control. It is their own damn fault we think they are all idiots, they allowed the idiots to speak for them.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Here in Minnesota the jebus--wheezers literally ran everybody but the crazies out of the party back in the 1990s. They primaried an incumbent moderate/lib Repub governor (Arne Carlson), chased the state auditor out of the party, literally, because she supported reproductive rights, and purged everyone who wasn't religulously crazy. Carlson endorsed Kerry in '04 and Obama in '08 after re-registering as an independent.
Once the state had a long tradition of sane, responsible, progressive Republicans like Elmer L. Anderson, Harold LeVander, Bill Frenzel and Dave Durenberger, with whom one could civilly disagree. No more.
tclambert
(11,086 posts)Nice and loyal, and too dumb to argue with his big money backer. One with no shame when revealed as a hypocrite. One who wouldn't question his marching orders; who would never say to you, "Hey, wait a minute, that doesn't make sense."
If a candidate from "your" party dared to disagree with you based on evidence, facts, and logic, wouldn't you buy a Teabagger to run against him in the next primary?
The idea is, you want to buy a politician who will stay bought.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Vinca
(50,273 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Munificence
(493 posts)I see it also. But I would say that you need to do some soul searching if you don't see the same on our side.
edhopper
(33,580 posts)show me all the ignorant, batshit crazy Dems in Congress.
Show me the Dems who say such downright ignorant things so divorced from reality.
The both are the same shit just doesn't cut it.
Sunk in Tupelo
(66 posts)When it comes to foreign policy (which is the big money maker) they are both the same. The same applies to propping up the corporate and financial/banking sector. I really can't see any difference. Endless war and cronyism when it comes to contracts are what are robbing the American people of our hard earned wages.
I look at it like, they just throw us some bones every now and then. A little gay rights or legalized marijuana to placate the masses while they rob us all with the other hand. It's a time tested, age old strategy. Divide and conquer.
edhopper
(33,580 posts)Clinton did not invade Kosovo when the GOP was screaming that air power alone would not stop Milosevic.
There is no fucking way Gore would have invaded Iran.
Obama has not invaded anywhere
Yet the last four elected GOP Presidents have invaded other countries.
There is also a reason we got Frank/Dodd instead of the nothing the GOP wanted.
It's not that the Dems don't get their share of Corporate goodies, but to compare their policies as the same is garbage.
And going back to my premiss, find me the Dems who are a loony as these Repukes?
Sunk in Tupelo
(66 posts)That led to jihadist warlords coming to power and a huge refugee crisis in Europe. It also just indirectly led to the deaths of 40 British tourists in Tunisia. Tunisia is erecting a wall now to try to keep the terrorists out. There is no doubt also that the US has been conducting bombing campaigns into Syria and aiding the war in Ukraine. Plus supplying both Saudi Arabia and Israel with arms that have been used to kill thousands of innocent people this past year. I'm sorry to rain on your July 4th parade.
Lets not even go into what happened in Honduras over the past couple of years and declaring Venezuela and Russia as enemies. That has fattened a lot of MIC wallets. Imagine how many domestic programs could be improved upon with just the lost revenue from the failed F-35 programs that was pushed by both political parties.
edhopper
(33,580 posts)or it's still domination by the MIC.
I am saying that claiming no difference between Dems and Repugs is objectively bullshit.
If you think that McCain or Romney would have had the same foriegn policy as Obama, or Gore the same as Bush, I can't discuss anything more.
Sunk in Tupelo
(66 posts)and both subscribed to the Zbigniew Brezinski Doctrine I would think there really isn't anything to discuss. Have you seen this?
http://www.imi-online.de/2009/01/01/imperial-geopolitics/
IMI-Analyse 2009/013, in: IMI/DFG-VK: Kein Frieden mit der NATO
Imperial Geopolitics: Ukraine, Georgia and the New Cold War between NATO and Russia
von: Martin Hantke | Veröffentlicht am: 1. Januar 2009
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Zbigniew Brzezinskis book The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives is essential reading for anyone wishing to understand current and future U.S., EU and NATO policy. Over ten years ago the former National Security Advisor gave a graphic description of the imperatives of imperial geopolitics. He argued that the U.S.A.s position of supremacy should be preserved under all circumstances. To this end NATO, acting as a bridgehead of the U.S.A., should expand into Eurasia and take control of geostrategically important regions so as to prevent Russias resurgence as a powerful political force.
Brzezinski had in mind two countries or regions in particular: Ukraine, a new and important space on the Eurasian chessboard is a geopolitical pivot because its very existence as an independent country helps to transform Russia. Without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be a Eurasian empire. Russia without Ukraine can still strive for imperial status, but it would then become a predominantly Asian imperial state, more likely to be drawn into debilitating conflicts with aroused Central Asians, who would then be supported by their fellow Islamic states to the south. [
] However, if Moscow regains control over Ukraine, with its 52 million people and major resources as well as access to the Black Sea, Russia automatically again regains the wherewithal to become a powerful imperial state, spanning Europe and Asia.1 Brzezinski argued further that there was an imperative need to gain control of the southern Caucasus, i.e. Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia, on Russias southern flank. The past master of U.S. geopolitics set out the aim and purpose of NATO policy with impressive clarity: The United States and the NATO countries while sparing Russias self-esteem to the extent possible, but nevertheless firmly and consistently are destroying the geopolitical foundations which could, at least in theory, allow Russia to hope to acquire the status as the number two power in world politics that belonged to the Soviet Union.
edhopper
(33,580 posts)Richard Armitage, former Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs.
Robert Blackwill, former member of the United States National Security Council.
Stephen Hadley, former Assistant Secretary of Defense for Global Strategic Affairs.
Scooter Libby, former Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Policy.
Richard Perle, former Assistant Secretary of Defense for Global Strategic Affairs.
Condoleezza Rice, former member of the United States National Security Council.
Paul Wolfowitz, former Under Secretary of Defense for Policy.
Dov Zakheim, former Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Strategy, Plans, & Forces.
Robert Zoellick, former Counselor of the United States Department of State.
And Obama's team is ludicrous. Your "no difference" stance untenable.
You can disagree with Obama's foreign policy, but just because you don't like America's position, doesn't make it identical to the GOP.If you expect a 180* change and consider anything less the same thing, your criteria is far from realistic.
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edhopper
(33,580 posts)on foreign policy.
yet you have fail to show "no difference" between Reagan, Bush I and II and Clinton,Obama and Gore. Who did not have an armed invasion of any country. As the republicans did over and over.
Your an noninterventionalist, I get it. But to think that Obama has the same foreign policy as Romney or McCain would, or that Hilary or Bernie would be the same as Bush or Cruz is inane.
Bye, I am done here, the "no difference" argument has never held up, it doesn't now.
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Paradigm Shift
(2 posts)The Republican base may be loaded with hate-based morons, but in my opinion there are plenty of hate-based morons in the Democratic base as well. The left hate Republican rhetoric so badly that they instantly lump gun advocates, libertarians, and free market advocates all in the same group as those crazy Republicans. I guess ultimately what I'm trying to get at is this; there will ALWAYS be idiots in politics as politics in its current form requires idiots to fuel the racket from the jump.
olddots
(10,237 posts)( well atleast I am )
People are definately communicating less interpersonally and not learning as much from each other .Everybody is doing a selfy kind of life just judging everyone else instead of living with other people . sorry that was pretty grim .
niyad
(113,315 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)This is not an exaggeration.
They are seen as complete and total idiots who know nothing, and yet they are House members.
dear god
Oneironaut
(5,496 posts)Being a racist, talking about some non-existent civil war threat, invoking "Jaaaysus!" and "Gaaawd!", and using awful hyperboles - these things get you noticed.
Talking about politics while being boring, saying that everything is going to be fine, and being too normal - you will never be noticed, will have an awful time fundraising, and will usually lose with a whimper.
See what's wrong here?
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)We're seeing a lot of Machiavellian manipulation these days, by the kinds of folks who crave power, and don't give a shit who gets hurt in the process.
If spewing nonsense like "God created the world in six days" gives them power, they're going to say it.
That's why you're hearing climate-change denialism (that and the Thank You For Smoking style campaign to pooh-pooh climate change research and activism).
Idiots led by psychopaths is what we're seeing.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)LynneSin
(95,337 posts)Gerrymandering is why there are so many idiots
It is frustrating to know that congressional districts (well outside of mine because Delaware only has 1) are pretty much setup to ensure lifetime job security for those who win them and are control by the party in power. The democrats are not innocent. California is also badly Gerrymandered but the GOP has done way more damage then the rest of us. I'd rather sacrifice a few seats in California to know we'd probably pick up a few dozen more across the state.
I also think Gerrymandering attributes to lower voter turnout at the midterms. Why bother voting if you know your vote doesn't really count anymore. Here you are stuck with some idiot like Michelle Bachmann or Louis Gohmert or some other GOP House idiot and the scary thing is this - you cannot get rid of them. It's like a case of Herpes, you aren't sure how you got it but it's a lifetime commitment that is going to flare up when you least expect it and itch you in all the wrong ways. So even if you want to boot these people out of office, your district is setup to ensure THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. It is discouraging so why bother to vote. At least the Presidential elections gives the voters something to get excited about.
I'm hoping that ruling that came out a few days after the Marriage Equality which says that Congressional Redistricting should go before an bipartisan panel will see the end to these wretched congressional districts designed to make these House seats non-competitive lifetime commitments. How bad is it? In 2012 53% of the voters in Pennsylvania voted to have a Democrat be their US House Representative yet the GOP took 13 of the 18 US House seats. That's Gerrymandering for you. Oh and Former Governor Tom Corbett of PA wanted to change PA Electoral votes that they would be divided based on how the congressional districts voted - think of how fucked up that would be. Obama won 54% of PA yet would have walked away with 5 electoral votes (out of 20 - the rest would have gone to Romney) in 2012 if the PAGOP and Corbett had their way.
US House seats need to be competitive. These Representatives need to know that if they are not doing their jobs then they could lose their jobs and the party in charge could lose control. How else can you explain that the House has a 19% approval rating and yet something like an 8% turnover rate each election cycle (and that turnover includes retirements).
Gerrymandering needs to go!