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CatWoman

(79,302 posts)
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 05:16 PM Jul 2015

Ted Cruz Busted For Buying His Own Books As NY Times Refuses To Put Him On Bestseller List

The New York Times has refused to put Republican presidential candidate Ted Cruz on their bestseller list after finding evidence that his book sales were not authentic.

New York Times spokesperson Eileen Murphy told Politico, “We have uniform standards that we apply to our best seller list, which includes an analysis of book sales that goes beyond simply the number of books sold. This book didn’t meet that standard this week. Our goal is that the list reflect authentic best sellers, so we look at and analyze not just numbers, but patterns of sales for every book.”

Murphy later added more detail, “In the case of this book, the overwhelming preponderance of evidence was that sales were limited to strategic bulk purchases.”

Strategic bulk purchases is a polite way of saying that Cruz, his super PAC, or organization that he cut a deal with, bought the books in bulk to inflate his sales numbers and land him on the bestseller list.

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/07/10/ted-cruz-busted-buying-books-ny-times-refuses-put-bestseller-list.html

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Ted Cruz Busted For Buying His Own Books As NY Times Refuses To Put Him On Bestseller List (Original Post) CatWoman Jul 2015 OP
Ted Cruz Throws A Tantrum And Claims NY Times Is Lying About Him Buying His Own Books CatWoman Jul 2015 #1
He's just miffed that the NYT let the Cat-in-the-Hat out of the bag pinboy3niner Jul 2015 #3
Yep... IthinkThereforeIAM Jul 2015 #38
Palin was accused of doing same thing. dixiegrrrrl Jul 2015 #44
50 cents off with another 1/2 off when you buy a Slurpee SummerSnow Jul 2015 #75
my books came with their pages stuck timdog44 Jul 2015 #94
The republican timdog44 Jul 2015 #93
I wonder if reading levels are another reasons these books don't sell? dixiegrrrrl Jul 2015 #98
I just saw timdog44 Jul 2015 #99
we got your thread winner rightchear Richardo Jul 2015 #61
OMgods.. I hadn't read this before I made my post.. LOL. Way to call it! I think we all know his Cha Jul 2015 #43
Caught red handed. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #2
Bwahahahahaa!!!! Daemonaquila Jul 2015 #4
Excuse me! ejbr Jul 2015 #60
What? You mean Ted is dishonest? Ilsa Jul 2015 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author trusty elf Jul 2015 #57
Damn. There goes my main marketing plan for my next book. DavidDvorkin Jul 2015 #6
Busted. lol Jefferson23 Jul 2015 #7
it's available at costco, which only stocks right winger books as of today nt msongs Jul 2015 #8
Say whaaa? Flying Squirrel Jul 2015 #41
Costco is a common dumping ground for books where far too many copies were printed. jeff47 Jul 2015 #53
Nope. Newly released bestsellers are at Costco mainer Jul 2015 #65
That might be the official policy, but Raleigh NC Costco is a dumping ground: Ann Coulter, loudsue Jul 2015 #87
There used to be, in malls, a store called Books a Million dixiegrrrrl Jul 2015 #80
So you are saying that CostCo only stocks right winger books? I'm calling you... erronis Jul 2015 #59
Last week at Costco, I noticed Jane Austin Jul 2015 #79
I'll stand corrected. That surprises me given CostCo's usually blue-ish tinge erronis Jul 2015 #83
I'm not sure if that is a local thing or not. Here in Eastern WA, very white, jtuck004 Jul 2015 #86
The grifter's scam exposed. Your super PAC can't just give you the cash they bilk from ... Scuba Jul 2015 #9
Yep Thespian2 Jul 2015 #11
Bulk buying is a common and shrewd technique in the publishing industry. hankhenry Jul 2015 #10
Yeah, I've heard of this before. That's how a lot of weird books get on the list. cui bono Jul 2015 #14
It's an old technique that is being honed. hankhenry Jul 2015 #19
Yeah, "best seller" has been a meaningless adjective.... AlbertCat Jul 2015 #33
They breathe; they lie. n/t sarge43 Jul 2015 #12
Sweet as... malaise Jul 2015 #13
The Times is suddenly worried about that now? jmowreader Jul 2015 #15
First time I noticed that was when I saw multiple copies of that stupid hit-job SWIFTBOAT book TrollBuster9090 Jul 2015 #18
There is nothing they won't cheat at. nt Snotcicles Jul 2015 #16
Too Bad "Joe The Dumbass" Didn't Have A Superpac Buying His Book to Put Him On The NY Times TrollBuster9090 Jul 2015 #17
according tothe N.Y.T.s best sellers list olddots Jul 2015 #20
As a reading specialist, I beg to differ. maddiemom Jul 2015 #63
Can you provide us with some support for that claim? Enthusiast Jul 2015 #74
This message was self-deleted by its author maddiemom Aug 2015 #107
(Waaay Late) Of course not. It was a generalization. maddiemom Aug 2015 #108
Thank you, maddiemom. nt Enthusiast Aug 2015 #109
A liar and cheat from the get-go. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #21
Well... Ted Cruz always has a fallback career as a professional Homer Simpson impersonator. Initech Jul 2015 #22
Good one! Is that embarrassing ad still out there? maddiemom Jul 2015 #50
I'm sure there is a perfectly innocent explanation! Helen Borg Jul 2015 #23
They didn't used to care quite so much, it seems. calimary Jul 2015 #24
Yes, it seems the NYT changed their policy Oilwellian Jul 2015 #28
At one time there was a little asterisk or check mark that appeared by the name of the book, calimary Jul 2015 #32
You're so right...I had forgotten about that n/t Oilwellian Jul 2015 #36
Thanks NJCher Jul 2015 #40
Yes, I've heard right wingers say treestar Jul 2015 #56
Republican donors have to be the worst businesspeople ever IronLionZion Jul 2015 #25
This is common practice whenever B Calm Jul 2015 #26
That's right, and they guage the timing very carefully. Nitram Jul 2015 #95
Is it only about the bestseller list ToxMarz Jul 2015 #27
Pukes and Baggers...ALWAYS up to some kind of skeeze. SoapBox Jul 2015 #29
This has been going on for years. NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #30
I see hard cover books in Dollar Tree written by right-wing authors all the time. O'Reilly books can B Calm Jul 2015 #35
IOKIYAR Feeling the Bern Jul 2015 #31
Will Sarah Failin' be next? OldRedneck Jul 2015 #34
Can Cruz even read his own book? Lancero Jul 2015 #37
The scary thing about Cruz is that he IS quit literate. dixiegrrrrl Jul 2015 #81
Whether he is buying hid own books or not, Creepy Cruz... 3catwoman3 Jul 2015 #39
Not the first time that's happened.. but, is it the first time anyone's been so spectaculary busted Cha Jul 2015 #42
check response #1 CatWoman Jul 2015 #48
I know! I responded to that after I wrote my post.. I know exactly how thinks by now. And, I Cha Jul 2015 #82
So that must mean he's on the Worstseller List Generic Brad Jul 2015 #45
Somebody call the WAAAHmbulance for widdle Wafael! Fritz Walter Jul 2015 #46
Cruz's whole existence is about gaining name recognition to run for POTUS. maddiemom Jul 2015 #47
Ted Bought his Own Books???? To Get on The Bestseller List??? Is That HONEST???? Stuart G Jul 2015 #49
Oooh, a Black Sox reference? brett_jv Jul 2015 #91
Is he a Scientologist, too? ChazInAz Jul 2015 #51
Buying your own books? IRS Bait bucolic_frolic Jul 2015 #52
So glad he got caught! treestar Jul 2015 #54
I seem to remember reading years ago that this is what Coulter and O'Reilly did, too. George II Jul 2015 #55
Cruz caught for phony Beatlemania!! b-WAHHA! Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #58
With fifteen plus republican cadidates, they are all the same Diremoon Jul 2015 #62
The list is meaningless. Every Real Housewife has NYT Bestseller! Phentex Jul 2015 #64
what a fucking loser nt arely staircase Jul 2015 #66
Living those 'christian' values... Faux pas Jul 2015 #67
This is standard for Right Wingers. They've been doing this to SIMULATE popular support for YEARS... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #68
Creepy fuckin cheater! Dont call me Shirley Jul 2015 #69
Ann Coulter bulk buys lead to the NYT using a special symbol underpants Jul 2015 #70
Once again it is proven; Republicans can only win when they cheat. CanonRay Jul 2015 #71
Idiot! Those in the know have a think-tank buy their books. It's a not-so clever rhett o rick Jul 2015 #72
Standard Republican procedure Tardigrade Jul 2015 #73
I think I saw that on Morning Joe...what an embarrassment...altho Joe and Mika CTyankee Jul 2015 #76
Cruz, total POS! n/t RKP5637 Jul 2015 #77
What am I supposed to say to this??? Cozet Jul 2015 #78
*raises hand* CatWoman Jul 2015 #85
Ha! Unfortunately, that doesn't get me past the Harper Collins people. Any ideas? Cozet Jul 2015 #88
No offense, but this a VERY old 'trolling' tactic ... brett_jv Jul 2015 #92
Shrub probably bought one to replace My Pet Goat. kairos12 Jul 2015 #84
That is pathetic. n/t Chemisse Jul 2015 #89
What surprises me is it only takes 11,000 sold to be #1 or #2 mainer Jul 2015 #90
Self bulk buying?-----that's just one more, in the string of things about him, that sucks. Sheepshank Jul 2015 #96
Oops liberal N proud Jul 2015 #97
Ted Cruz is one of the biggest crooks, but being from TX. We all rladdi Jul 2015 #100
Common practice from the right wing. Buying in bulk. Solly Mack Jul 2015 #101
Typical Republican Kevin from WI Jul 2015 #102
cruz's shows his continued dishonesty samsingh Jul 2015 #103
Having the RNC or Fox make bulk purchases libodem Jul 2015 #104
Exactly ---It's the old Ann Coulter trick nikto Jul 2015 #105
This is nothing new for right winger authors. SoCalDem Jul 2015 #106

IthinkThereforeIAM

(3,076 posts)
38. Yep...
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 09:21 PM
Jul 2015

... I am surprised that the NYT allowed this long, dirty secret out of the bag. The PAC's or a benefactor usually buys about 100,000 + books and puts them in a/their warehouse, then dumps them on Sam's and other big box stores for pennies, if not free.

This has gone on for longer than I can state at this moment.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
44. Palin was accused of doing same thing.
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 09:43 AM
Jul 2015

After about 3 months, her books appeared in bulk warehouse sales for 50 cents each.

Cruz's books will end up there soon.

timdog44

(1,388 posts)
93. The republican
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 07:51 AM
Jul 2015

bulk sales book club. Each month for 50c you can get three copies of every republicans book. At least those who are capable of writing one, on there own, without help. It is a good thing there is spiel check, I mean spellcheck, these days.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
98. I wonder if reading levels are another reasons these books don't sell?
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 11:59 AM
Jul 2015

As Jeb said:
“Big syllable words and lots of fancy conferences and meetings and – We’re not leading. That creates chaos."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026967042

timdog44

(1,388 posts)
99. I just saw
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 12:13 PM
Jul 2015

where he said that the American worker is basically lazy and should work harder and more hours.When in fact the rest of the first world countries call the US the "no vacation nation" and that we work 30% more than other countries. And something about a new book by Charles Murray, that he likes (I guess he can read some books), where the author states how working class white families are starting to act like working class African American families, with fewer marriages and less labor force participation. I am sure that will attract all the voters that Trump has isolated. These guys seem to think people don't know anything, when in fact it is vice a versa.

 

Daemonaquila

(1,712 posts)
4. Bwahahahahaa!!!!
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 05:32 PM
Jul 2015

Um... heh... hee hee...

Sorry... can't... *ROFL* stop... *wheeze* laughing at... this...

Response to Ilsa (Reply #5)

DavidDvorkin

(19,479 posts)
6. Damn. There goes my main marketing plan for my next book.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 05:37 PM
Jul 2015

Although since that was contingent on winning the lottery, it was iffy to begin with.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
53. Costco is a common dumping ground for books where far too many copies were printed.
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 12:18 PM
Jul 2015

The books didn't sell in regular bookstores or Amazon, so off to Costco/Sams/BJ's in the hope you can recoup at least some of the cost.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
65. Nope. Newly released bestsellers are at Costco
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:28 PM
Jul 2015

It's considered prime real estate for publishers who want to sell tons of copies of bestselling books. Costco corporate decides which books will move well, and that's what they order. If they think Ann Coulter's book will sell tons, they'll stock it. Ditto for Obama's books.

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
87. That might be the official policy, but Raleigh NC Costco is a dumping ground: Ann Coulter,
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 09:07 AM
Jul 2015

Bill O'Reily, Glenn Beck, and the list goes on. I was going to complain to management, but the wait line was too long. I still might write a letter. There were NO liberal-leaning books on the table.

But, maybe that's because liberals are more educated and know how to read?

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
80. There used to be, in malls, a store called Books a Million
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 07:00 PM
Jul 2015

which was a dumping ground for poor sellers.
Dunno if they are still around.

erronis

(15,274 posts)
59. So you are saying that CostCo only stocks right winger books? I'm calling you...
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:41 PM
Jul 2015

While their bookshelves are not exactly a place I'd go to find intellectual stimulation, I have glanced at the wares and didn't feel like it was only RW books. Lots of remaindered books and other jetsam but they seem to cross many dimensions. Now, perhaps the RW books end up more frequently in the "bag for a buck" category.

I think proper punishment for anyone that buys multiple copies of such claptrap would be to force them to read every copy from front to back.

Jane Austin

(9,199 posts)
79. Last week at Costco, I noticed
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 06:49 PM
Jul 2015

all the right-wing books, so I looked for a centrist or liberal book.

There was not one.

I think that's bad for the country.

erronis

(15,274 posts)
83. I'll stand corrected. That surprises me given CostCo's usually blue-ish tinge
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 07:53 PM
Jul 2015

But perhaps the bottom line is most important. And it is a very bottom line.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
86. I'm not sure if that is a local thing or not. Here in Eastern WA, very white,
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 05:47 AM
Jul 2015

lots of not so overt racism - the area is a destination location for racists from Southern CA and elsewhere - the Costco is as you described.

Lots and lots of republican garbage, cookbooks, children's books. Little to no liberal, and I have never seen a Progressive tome, or even a paperback, ever.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
9. The grifter's scam exposed. Your super PAC can't just give you the cash they bilk from ...
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 06:19 PM
Jul 2015

... the idiots who support you, so the PAC buys your book, gives them away to donors.

You get the royalties to boost your bank account and book sale numbers to boost your ego.

Huckabee, Palin and a bunch of others are making a nice living bilking Republican donors.

Thespian2

(2,741 posts)
11. Yep
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 07:06 PM
Jul 2015

I believe the Repukian grifters have found an easy get-rich plan...why else would all the CLOWNS be fighting so hard to get in the CAR?

 

hankhenry

(11 posts)
10. Bulk buying is a common and shrewd technique in the publishing industry.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 07:05 PM
Jul 2015

I worked in publishing quite a few years and am still indirectly working with the industry. What Cruz did is actually very common in the industry. It's just called bulk buying. An organization or marketing company (often one that you hire) buys your book in bulk, often pre-pub. This helps boost you on the best-seller list. It costs you money to do this, but not as much as you make in the long run. A short jump in sales means notable best-seller projections. You are invited on morning talk shows. You often get paid for this and you get to promote your book.

The book industry is often seedy and manipulates the numbers. Margins are VERY thin and the competition is thick. The article itself even said, "New York Times spokesperson Eileen Murphy told Politico, 'We have uniform standards that we apply to our best seller list, which includes an analysis of book sales that goes beyond simply the number of books sold... Our goal is that the list reflect authentic best sellers, so we look at and analyze not just numbers, but patterns of sales for every book.'”

So the raw numbers you see listed by Amazon, B&N, and NYT are not even mathematically accurate. The patterns and analysis she cites are actually nothing more than promoting a book. The numbers are a fib. Those numbers are often what they hope to sell. Their so-called numbers are nothing more than creating a buzz.

As for Cruz, I suspect one of two things. There was some dispute about the bulk buying process and/or someone got into a telephone argument. I actually would not be surprised if it's a small contract glitch that NYT capitalized on to sell even more of his book. The NYT, after all, lists all kinds of political books on its lists, so this is really nothing exceptional. Now, they can actually leave him off the top (10, 25, or whatever) of the list, make room for yet ANOTHER book from someone else, and still have the publicity to sell his book. You see crap like this all the time.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
14. Yeah, I've heard of this before. That's how a lot of weird books get on the list.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 07:13 PM
Jul 2015

Your speculation is interesting...

And welcome to DU!

 

hankhenry

(11 posts)
19. It's an old technique that is being honed.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 07:33 PM
Jul 2015

A lot of the weird books are, yes, books that you would never expect to see on the list or things that no one would ever pick up. Politics is a small slice of the genres. It happens in all categories. It happens with reviews. The prolific woman on Amazon who reviews all of those books does not review them. If you do the math, then you can calculate that it is impossible to review that many thousands of books in one year.

If you're going to be a successful publicist, then you almost have to be cutthroat. You don't tell B&N that you hope the book will sell. You tell them it WILL sell. Prime shelf space comes at a premium. Margins in publishing are very, very thin. The common question asked in meetings is, "Can we create a buzz with this book?" So any contract disagreement can be magnified and capitalized on to sell even more, no matter how slim. Everyone knows that there is no bad publicity. Publicist and best seller spokes people make an art and living out of this.

Thanks for the greetings.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
15. The Times is suddenly worried about that now?
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 07:17 PM
Jul 2015

Children, the GOP has been playing games with the New York Times bestseller list since Reagan was in office. Some winger - yes, Ann Coulter, I'm looking at you although it is very painful to do so - puts out an unreadable tome, the hard-right think tanks buy an entire press run, it makes the New York Times bestseller list, and two months later it's in the dollar stores and they give it to you when you join the Conservative Book Club. While it's nice they're trying to fix their problem, doing it now is like locking the barn door 35 years after the horse escaped.

TrollBuster9090

(5,954 posts)
18. First time I noticed that was when I saw multiple copies of that stupid hit-job SWIFTBOAT book
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 07:30 PM
Jul 2015

on John Kerry (Unfit for Command) on sale on Ebay for $0.01 a couple of months after the 2004 election. Seriously, it was on sale for a penny. $5 for shipping and handling, of course, but a penny for the book itself. And a rip-off even at that price. When it first came out, and the author was making the rounds on the cable shows I decided I'd look at it for a laugh, but determined I'd never pay for a new copy. I'd buy it on Ebay after all the poor rubes had been sent their complementary free copies, purchased and distributed by the Heritage Foundation just for the sake of getting it to the top of the best seller list.

TrollBuster9090

(5,954 posts)
17. Too Bad "Joe The Dumbass" Didn't Have A Superpac Buying His Book to Put Him On The NY Times
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 07:21 PM
Jul 2015

best seller list. I heard he's got about a thousand copies of it in boxes in his basement.



 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
20. according tothe N.Y.T.s best sellers list
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 07:35 PM
Jul 2015

The highest selling books are bought by people who can't read past a second grade level .

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
63. As a reading specialist, I beg to differ.
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:19 PM
Jul 2015

No one reading at a second grade level would EVER spend the money to BUY a book, or even accept a freebie if offered.

Response to Enthusiast (Reply #74)

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
108. (Waaay Late) Of course not. It was a generalization.
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 11:59 AM
Aug 2015

Also, "book" covers a lot of territory, some of which could appeal to totally illiterate persons. This was not a put down of those with low grade level reading abilities, but from actual experience in selling of books. Sadly, books are far down the lists of "stuff to spend your money on" for all too many with reading problems. My own brother is dyslexic, and from before it was commonly understood. He likes to read for knowledge and is smart enough to know that it's best found in books. He'll struggle for two weeks on a book I'll whip through overnight. His technical reading level is late elementary, but given enough time to read he'll absorb it, having a higher I.Q. than mine.

calimary

(81,281 posts)
24. They didn't used to care quite so much, it seems.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 07:40 PM
Jul 2015

I remember when every shrieking cockamamie screed out of any CON's ghost-writer's keyboard, from ann coulter to rush limbaugh, were bulk buys, and they simply were allowed to stovepipe themselves onto the NYTimes best-seller lists. Even when it was noted there was a bulk buy.

The "think" tanks on the Dark Side did that a lot - to artificially punch things up and make them look like what the propaganda said they were: BEST-SELLERS! On the NEW YORK TIMES BEST-SELLER LIST! They claim they hate the NYTimes but MAN are they whores to make that best-seller list. And the limbaugh people would buy up truckloads of his books, and THEN, they'd use 'em as backdrops for the bullshit TV show he had for awhile. Indeed - the rear wall of his on-camera set was literally a wall of his books. Stacks upon stacks, row by row by row clear across the back of the stage just behind where he sat with his chair and the guest chair(s) and a little table in between, too. THAT is how they claimed the title of "best-seller" for him. And it worked great til his TV show went off the air - after only a few seasons.

And that spending program isn't wasted, either. You know all the ads you see online with these internet radio shows or the glenn beck show or whoever - subscribe and we'll send you a free copy of blah-blah-blah's NEW BEST-SELLER!!!!! Or pay this fee or this special introductory price for a year's membership in the blah-blah-blah foundation/institute/whatever-the-hellhole and we'll send you this FREE gift! A brand new copy of blah-blah-blah's BRAND NEW BEST-SELLER!!! Currently selling in stores for $49.95 but NOW, for THIS SPECIAL INTRODUCTORY PRICE it's (fill in the blank here). Or We'll send you this FREE GIFT! Just for signing up! And if they had whichever CON stiff "wrote" said "BEST-SELLER!!!" might have to drag his/her lazy pampered ass into the Heritage Foundation offices some afternoon and sign a bunch of 'em. OR - they're already signed and they didn't sell at Barnes & Noble on the promenade so the store shipped them back to the manufacturer and they sell off the signed and other excess copies to some foundation for cut-rate, "non-profit" discount bulk rates.

I remember reading something about how Kim Kardashian was spotted buying an armload of "Vogue" magazines when she and Kanye West were on the cover together. Well, how else do you "prove" that the issue "sold out"?

It's quite the racket. And you probably thought the only numbers the GOP manipulated up the wazoo were numbers of votes...

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
28. Yes, it seems the NYT changed their policy
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 07:53 PM
Jul 2015

and that's a really good thing. I remember thinking how hideous it was to see Ann Coulter on their best seller list, and we knew at the time it had to be due to bulk sales. Guess the right wing will no longer get away with their deceptive practice of making right wing books appear more popular than they really are.

Tee hee.

calimary

(81,281 posts)
32. At one time there was a little asterisk or check mark that appeared by the name of the book,
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 08:13 PM
Jul 2015

denoting a bulk buy. And that was it. They didn't seem to care. They'd note it but it wouldn't make any difference, and it would certainly count as a sales figure to get them onto the best-seller list.

Guess they finally decided to stop overlooking that little "technicality." Wonder when that happened? Cuz it never used to make any difference, or disqualify a book because it was merely bulk sales.

NJCher

(35,675 posts)
40. Thanks
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 10:17 PM
Jul 2015

As I was reading the OP and the responses, I was making mental notes about the post I was going to write. Thanks to you, the bases are covered.

On another note, I was sitting in the faculty lounge the other day, talking about books with other English professors. A person made a comment about a book, which was followed by, "I mean, it's not like it's a NY Times best seller or anything." This was meant as a compliment to the author of the book that we were discussing.

So it appears English teachers have recognized the uselessness of the NY Times bestseller list for a while now.


Cher

treestar

(82,383 posts)
56. Yes, I've heard right wingers say
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 12:26 PM
Jul 2015

nothing in the NYT is correct other than sports scores, it's a socialist commie rag. Funny that.

IronLionZion

(45,447 posts)
25. Republican donors have to be the worst businesspeople ever
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 07:44 PM
Jul 2015

they can't be getting very much for their investments in these losers

ToxMarz

(2,168 posts)
27. Is it only about the bestseller list
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 07:53 PM
Jul 2015

Would seem bulk buys from his superpacs (which he can't coordinate with) is just a way of transferring the money to his pocket. Making the bestseller list may just be an added bonus.

NanceGreggs

(27,814 posts)
30. This has been going on for years.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 07:59 PM
Jul 2015

Ann Coulter's "best-sellers" are traditionally dumped here in Canada. They show up - cases and cases of them - in dollar-store type places and sell for two bucks, at the same time they are allegedly flying off the shelves in the US at full retail price.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
35. I see hard cover books in Dollar Tree written by right-wing authors all the time. O'Reilly books can
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 08:25 PM
Jul 2015

be bought for a buck.

 

OldRedneck

(1,397 posts)
34. Will Sarah Failin' be next?
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 08:19 PM
Jul 2015

Sarah Failin' announced she is releasing a "devotional book" in time for Christmas.

Now, I'm not big into devotional books. My mother was. As I recall, all her devotional books had a devotion for all 365 days of the year, plus a few extras.

Sarah announced her book will have 260 devotionals. ???????

The book will be published by Regnery Publishing, a rightwing press that prints the likes of Limbaugh, Coulter, Hannity, Beck, Corsi, and a host of other wingnuts.

I can hardly wait for SarahPAC to purchase a zillion or so copies, then, listen to Sarah shriek when she's not on the best-seller list.



dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
81. The scary thing about Cruz is that he IS quit literate.
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 07:07 PM
Jul 2015

Most of the those books are ghost written, of course, but Cruz has an impressive college background.
What grades he got is another matter.

3catwoman3

(23,995 posts)
39. Whether he is buying hid own books or not, Creepy Cruz...
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 09:38 PM
Jul 2015

...is definitely one of his own biggest fans - maybe even the biggest.

Cha

(297,250 posts)
42. Not the first time that's happened.. but, is it the first time anyone's been so spectaculary busted
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 05:00 AM
Jul 2015

for it?!

Ah, I just went to the link.. and yeah, just beginning to catch on to it.. Bad Luck, cruz.. yeah your pac had money to burn on your stupid books but now it looks twice as bad that you didn't make the NYT best seller lists.

Boohoo.. cruz will say something stupid.. like "the NYT is lying".. rofl

Cha

(297,250 posts)
82. I know! I responded to that after I wrote my post.. I know exactly how thinks by now. And, I
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 07:52 PM
Jul 2015

really haven't been paying that much attention.

Sooooo pre-dic-table.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
47. Cruz's whole existence is about gaining name recognition to run for POTUS.
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 11:29 AM
Jul 2015

His record as a public servant to his constituents is very lame, and he no sooner reached Capitol Hill than he was gunning for publicity in every way he could (Green Eggs and Ham...anyone)? Of course, to be scrupulously fair, he's far from the first to use the old "buy up your own books" stunt.

Stuart G

(38,427 posts)
49. Ted Bought his Own Books???? To Get on The Bestseller List??? Is That HONEST????
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 11:37 AM
Jul 2015

Say it ain't so .....Shoeless Joe....

ChazInAz

(2,569 posts)
51. Is he a Scientologist, too?
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 11:51 AM
Jul 2015

Because that's how L.Ron Hubbard's appalling books got there.
Amusingly, I noticed that several anthologies edited by him appeared years after he died, as well as some of the "Battlefield Earth" dreck.

bucolic_frolic

(43,172 posts)
52. Buying your own books? IRS Bait
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 12:11 PM
Jul 2015

Must be a wealthy guy, was he a hedge fund manager?

IRS should look into this, inflating your own income doesn't sound
legit.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
54. So glad he got caught!
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 12:20 PM
Jul 2015

One suspects this about a lot of other right wingers and their supposed "best sellers."

George II

(67,782 posts)
55. I seem to remember reading years ago that this is what Coulter and O'Reilly did, too.
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 12:26 PM
Jul 2015

Either they bought directly or a PAC bought them and handed them out at their appearances.

Phentex

(16,334 posts)
64. The list is meaningless. Every Real Housewife has NYT Bestseller!
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:23 PM
Jul 2015

Whatcha wanna bet they had a little help getting there, too. $$$$$$$$$$$$

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
68. This is standard for Right Wingers. They've been doing this to SIMULATE popular support for YEARS...
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:57 PM
Jul 2015

They will often stick copies in the pews at churches with the blessing of the right-wing preacher.

I call it "literal masturbation".

underpants

(182,817 posts)
70. Ann Coulter bulk buys lead to the NYT using a special symbol
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:10 PM
Jul 2015

The dagger

Ann Coulter became a "New York Times Best Selling Author" due to bulk buys by her publisher and several right wing groups at the beginning of her career. This was the justification for having her on air to spout her nonsense. Bill O'Reiily's early books were bulk bought too but the buys for Coulter's books was so egregious that the NYT used a dagger to denote this practice. Note they still put her on the list so they were part of the system of creating her legitimacy.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
72. Idiot! Those in the know have a think-tank buy their books. It's a not-so clever
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 04:49 PM
Jul 2015

way of payola for politicians. Murdock bought most of Gingrich's book to thank him for pulling the strings to get him citizenship, which allowed him to by Fox.

Tardigrade

(14 posts)
73. Standard Republican procedure
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 05:14 PM
Jul 2015

Of course they have little choice.
The Illiterate Republican base has little use for books beyond doorstops or kindling.
And no one with an education will pay to be insulted by Republican lies.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
76. I think I saw that on Morning Joe...what an embarrassment...altho Joe and Mika
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 06:40 PM
Jul 2015

were on vacay last week when it came out...but there surrogates couldn't come up with a very good answer...heh...

Cozet

(3 posts)
78. What am I supposed to say to this???
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 06:44 PM
Jul 2015

So I had a little fun telling this story at lunch today. Some clown brought up a rebuttal he read on NRO (which means no real rebuttal at all), but then he starts reading from a Harper Collins press release saying there is no evidence of bulk buying. Anyone have an answer I can use on this one?

Here is the link:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/421039/ted-cruz-book-nyt-bestseller-list-harpercollins-bulk-buying

brett_jv

(1,245 posts)
92. No offense, but this a VERY old 'trolling' tactic ...
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 03:06 AM
Jul 2015

Good day, and welcome to DU ... hope you enjoy your stay

Now that that's out of the way, let me just say that ...unfortunately ... an awful LOT of us have seen the whole "I was arguing with some right-winger today and they came up with THIS ... how do I counter their seemingly compelling argument, fellow liberal brethren?!?" ... lets call it a 'method of making a political point' ... more times than we can count on DU. Especially from people with <10 posts to their names.

What this all amounts to is ... you're probably going to have to establish your bona-fides a bit more strongly before people here are inclined to give this whole 'angle' of yours ... the proverbial time of day.

If you're an actual Liberal, then surely you understand, and won't take this personally.

In the meanwhile, here's a freebie for ya: "Who gives a shit what Harper-Collins, the MARKETERS of the book, have to say? The NYTimes are the ones who decide whether the purchasing patterns for the book match their criteria, and this book simply does NOT MEET said criteria ... despite 100's of Right-Wing authors' books making the list, dating back DECADES (which clearly shows ... it's not some political bias on their part). So, doesn't it SUGGEST something ... when the purchasing pattern for THIS book is SO out of line/sketchy that not even the NYTimes will sanction it's appearance on their list!?!"

Let us know how that goes for ya ... & just know ... that we're rootin' for ya.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
90. What surprises me is it only takes 11,000 sold to be #1 or #2
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 10:17 PM
Jul 2015

Some articles say that Cruz's sales would place him at #1 or #2 on the nonfiction bestseller list. I'm familiar with numbers for fiction bestseller lists, and that wouldn't get you to the top of the list. If you're talking combined digital and print sales, then this number is really puny.

rladdi

(581 posts)
100. Ted Cruz is one of the biggest crooks, but being from TX. We all
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 02:57 PM
Jul 2015

know where the felons and criminal come from around the states. TX breeds them then moves them to other states to hide their criminal records. Gov. Scott of FL is one of the most famous right now.

libodem

(19,288 posts)
104. Having the RNC or Fox make bulk purchases
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 06:39 PM
Jul 2015

Is the only way people like O'Reilly and Sarah Palin make the best seller list.

Then the books are given away, as boobie prizes at fundraising events.

 

nikto

(3,284 posts)
105. Exactly ---It's the old Ann Coulter trick
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 03:26 AM
Jul 2015

I believe she was one of the 1st pundits whose books were manipulated onto the bestseller lists,
by the use of this "mutual back-scratching" strategy.

The righwing has all that Korporate $$$ behind it, so that makes strategies like this possible.

An amazing simulation of "best-sellers".

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
106. This is nothing new for right winger authors.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 04:31 AM
Jul 2015

Ann Coulter/Hannity/O;Reilly/et al have been doing this forever...every time there is a cspan event that covers Cato/AEI/Heritage or any other special event they have routinely, the moderator will sometimes say to pick up their complimentary books on their way out. Perhaps the cost is figured into their entry price, but when you give the books away are they truly "sold"? I also see them routinely showing up in bargain bins at dollar stores/Big Lots etc.

All these books say pretty much the same thing over and over (with a new title each time)..and then of course when they have a "new" book to promote, they get paid by Fox, anf their publisher (also right wing press) for the book tour..

It's just a way to keep these kooks busily employed and to spread the GOP propaganda..all under the guise of literature

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