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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsInteresting comment about Trump by Peggy Noonan
I suppose others have observed it but she really hit it right:
One part of the speech has been heavily quoted: When Mexico sends its people, theyre not sending their best. . . . But as to Mr. Trumps words, throughout our history other nations never sent their best to America. My people and my friends, the Irish, were not Irelands elite when they came in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. They had nothing back home; thats why they left. The landed gentry, the high-born, the educated and establishedthey didnt come here. They didnt have to! The wretched refuse did. And the Irish transition to America was not so smooth. There was plenty of poverty, overcrowding, addiction, criminality. We should always rememberand Mr. Trump, as a native New Yorker, should rememberthat our citys arrest vehicles werent known as paddy wagons for nothing.
There may even have been some fairly fractious Trumps way back then . . .
http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trumps-appealand-its-limits-1436479851
Warpy
(111,291 posts)I'm a little shocked that she did.
But we do need to know our history and our history says that only the landless came here, that the magistrates and many colonial governors were just passing through on their way to their inheritances back home. The gentry had too good a deal to risk everything in a new world. It was the underclass who took the risk.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)she appeared impaired so many times on TV that Morning Joe stopped having her on. She simply couldn't cope that early. It was actually sad...
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)But by next week she'll be taking like a corporate fascist Republican again.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)even as she recounts the challenges they faced. I'm afraid she'd never make a democrat. This limited insight evidently results from the situation of others hitting a lot closer to home than usual.
Demit
(11,238 posts)To let you know that it wasn't her thought.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)question everything
(47,493 posts)I think that so far only Bush and Rubio took Trump to task about the "Mexicans" remark and one can "explain" that for them it is personal. It is. And, I suppose, the other non-white non-men candidates: Carson, Fiorina, Jindal, Cruz - who does support Trump - may have a similar problem.
But what about the white men: Huckabee, Santorum, Perry, Kasich, Paul, Christie, Pataki, Graham, Walker?
(I think that I've got all of them).
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)??
malthaussen
(17,205 posts)(Knopf, 1986; reprint Vintage Reprints, 1988)
This is a helluva good book about the peopling of America during the Colonial period, which is admittedly not the time period in question, but I love to push this book whenever I can. You can learn a lot about indentured servitude from this book. First half rigorous social history, with a chart or graph about every page; second half anecdotal, drawing from primary sources to highlight different aspects. Bailyn is still one of the best-regarded historians in the business, although he's slowed down a little since being born in 1922. Won the Pulitzer for this book (his second Pulitzer). No, I didn't study with him, I couldn't afford Harvard.
-- Mal
SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)I'll check it out.
Playinghardball
(11,665 posts)He can see what's going on everyday....
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)kentuck
(111,106 posts)Thanks for posting.
TNNurse
(6,928 posts)something said by her.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)occasion TO SLUR OTHER ETHNIC GROUPS. to OUT-TRUMP TRUMP.
"Irishmen made up a large percentage of the officers of early police forces in many American cities. Thus, this theory suggests that the concentration of Irish in the police forces led to the term "paddy wagon" being used to describe the vehicles driven by police."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_van
(Granted, there is listed "an alternative theory," but that is poppycock.)
"The term paddy wagon (sometimes one wordpaddywagon) usually denotes a large police vehicle used to transport multiple arrestees, and it sometimes refers to any large police vehicle regardless of its use.1 The term is of American origin, but its exact derivation is unknown.2
One theory about paddy wagons origins is that the term came about due to the large numbers of Irish Americans on the police forces of some American cities.3"
http://grammarist.com/usage/paddy-wagon/
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)his thumb, with a knick knack paddy whack give your dog a bone..."
maindawg
(1,151 posts)They hated the Gaelic Irish because they were pagans.Then they were pretty good fighters. They were driven out of Ireland by the Catholics and went on to become the West Virginia Blue Ridge mountain folk . They fought by defending their territory extremely well in the Revolution. They all became Episcopalians.
NBachers
(17,126 posts)The German ancestor mailed his passport over to his brother, so his brother could dodge the draft and illegally enter the country.
I'll give Peggy credit for this.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)niyad
(113,455 posts)Response to question everything (Original post)
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niyad
(113,455 posts)you arrogant twit.
malthaussen
(17,205 posts)... not quite understanding that "refuse" is not synonymous with "garbage."
-- Mal
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)one that an elitist like her probably can not imagine
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)establishment wants to get rid of Trump in any
way they can. I wonder if any of their plans
will work. They hate the idea of him being in
the debates.
I love it though! Even better than 1212.
NotHardly
(1,062 posts)New Colossus
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)JHB
(37,161 posts)The upper crusties are who she identifies with.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)people vote against their own interests, because they identify with the top 1%, even though they are not richie rich or speech writers that identify with richie rich?
JHB
(37,161 posts)...can be sober once a decade or so.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)MineralMan
(146,318 posts)Immigrants have often been treated poorly in the USA. Bigots we have with us always, it seems.
Trump is an abject moron. That is a fact.
randome
(34,845 posts)In it, a woman (with a felony conviction) makes the case for her inclusion in a flight to another world by pointing out that our country was settled by more malcontents and criminals than those yearning for freedom.
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