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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:02 AM Jul 2015

Trump Has Tapped Into Deep Voter Anger

Keith Koffler writes that “despite what you’ve read in the media, even some outposts of the conservative media, these Trump acolytes in general are not racist against Latinos and they have not been seized by madness.”

“They are, however, angry. Very angry. And many are agonizingly fearful about the future of the nation. They believe that vast changes to the country are being wrought in ways that are undemocratic, dishonest and perhaps even illegal. Trump, who seems perpetually angry, is an expression of the angst of conservatives who believe the United States has gotten so deep into a mess that a little extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. What they adore about Trump is that he is a pugilist who has emerged at a time when someone needs to start throwing punches.”

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http://politicalwire.com/2015/07/15/trump-has-tapped-into-deep-voter-anger/
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Trump Has Tapped Into Deep Voter Anger (Original Post) DonViejo Jul 2015 OP
You could replace Trump with Walker and they wouldnt care. postulater Jul 2015 #1
Be afraid, very very afraid of the brown people. Yes, one day they may decide to have an uprising nc4bo Jul 2015 #2
As has Sanders MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #3
This is why I'd love to see more nc4bo Jul 2015 #4
There is movement, at least among Latinos MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #8
Oh this is wonderful! nc4bo Jul 2015 #11
I would argue that he's tapped into shallow voter anger . . . . hatrack Jul 2015 #5
Good post, hatrack. brer cat Jul 2015 #7
The difference as I see it is that one anger, the shallow, is given a hearing by one political party Fumesucker Jul 2015 #13
They don't talk about.. sendero Jul 2015 #17
The way I see it.... Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #21
You are confusing volume with depth of emotion Fumesucker Jul 2015 #24
Seconded.. sendero Jul 2015 #14
Yeah that's what it is Populist_Prole Jul 2015 #18
+1 uponit7771 Jul 2015 #25
This ought to be an OP. Excellent post. snagglepuss Jul 2015 #28
Immigration is not the ann--- Jul 2015 #6
Trump Has Tapped Into Deep Voter Derp WilliamPitt Jul 2015 #9
wipes oatmeal from monitor frylock Jul 2015 #19
Conservatives won't ever blame Republicans for their problems. procon Jul 2015 #10
trump has tapped into the cesspool of voters....the haters, the racists spanone Jul 2015 #12
And as usual for the sheeple hifiguy Jul 2015 #15
The racist jackass portion of the GOP base is always angry. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #16
So did Bree Newsome. randome Jul 2015 #20
538 disagrees Capt. Obvious Jul 2015 #22
Trump is this month's toy for angry voters who worship celebrity. n/t Orsino Jul 2015 #23
These assholes have been angry for decades. Remember 1994, The Year of the Angry White Man? Arugula Latte Jul 2015 #26
yes racists are very angry JI7 Jul 2015 #27

postulater

(5,075 posts)
1. You could replace Trump with Walker and they wouldnt care.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:09 AM
Jul 2015

Just so someone stops those damn commies.

/sarc

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
2. Be afraid, very very afraid of the brown people. Yes, one day they may decide to have an uprising
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:09 AM
Jul 2015

And pillage and plunder your pristine women, children, land, birthright.

Nasty, filthy brown people.

Be afraid, very very afraid.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
3. As has Sanders
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:15 AM
Jul 2015

Two different group of 99%ers, both knowing they've been hurt badly by 25 years of awful governance.

But one group knows what the answer is, the other group need help in pulling their heads out of their asses. I expect that Sanders will coax many heads out.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
4. This is why I'd love to see more
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:22 AM
Jul 2015

Minority outreach.

Sanders has so much to offer EVERYONE especially those who are stuck on popular name recognition-only.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
11. Oh this is wonderful!
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:50 AM
Jul 2015

He has this way of making people feel they are part, a very important part of the whole. Message of inclusion under common goals of the 99%.

Keep going with this Bernie!

Thanks for the links.

hatrack

(59,592 posts)
5. I would argue that he's tapped into shallow voter anger . . . .
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:23 AM
Jul 2015

Misplaced fears, unjustified terror, mile-high ignorance and a comic-book understanding of the world - all working together as slings and arrows of an outrageous world that just won't wake up and see the amazing super-awesomeness of the Yewwwnited States of 'Murca.

Shallow anger for shallow people.

Deep anger is something entirely different - anger at, say, a criminalized local court system with fines, tickets and jails all in a row for Driving While Black or Brown, Walking While Black or Brown, Making Eye Contact While Black or Brown.

Anger at, say, the ability of police departments to kill at will, and (for the most part) face a couple of grueling weeks of paid administrative leave as a result.

Anger at, say, a succession of shitty $9.50/hour jobs, which offer you the flexibility to stitch two or three together to almost make the rent, or anger at lousy school systems, endless standardized testing and diplomas servicable as toilet paper.

Anger at, say, politicians watching a world simultaneously going up in flames and melting down, and offering well-crafted word-fluff as "policy".

I'd say all of the above qualify as deep anger.

As for Trumpville . . . fuck 'em.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
13. The difference as I see it is that one anger, the shallow, is given a hearing by one political party
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 09:07 AM
Jul 2015

Neither party wants to address the deep anger though.

People vote for the party that addresses the issues they find important, say what you will "conservatives" have a higher and more motivated turnout largely because the Republican party addresses the issues those voters have been trained to consider important. The Republicans throw their angry but shallow base large chunks of red meat frequently, they keep their base goosestepping to the polls.

On the other hand the Democratic party hasn't addressed the deep anger on economics and class issues any more than absolutely necessary since at least the Reagan administration and even then only in the most condescending manner possible. The Democrats feed their base thin gruel and go all Oliver Twisty on anyone who dares ask for more substantial fare.

Then they complain about low turnout, speak to people's issues and let your actions match your words and turnout becomes far less of a concern.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
17. They don't talk about..
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 10:55 AM
Jul 2015

.....because they have little in the way of achievement to talk about in those areas.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
21. The way I see it....
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 01:18 PM
Jul 2015

It seems to me that conservative white GOPers are by far the angriest voting block. Many of these folks are quite racist to boot. That's why they love them some Donald Trump. They love his rants against Mexicans.

Sometimes I take a gander at websites like Free Republic and I just LOVE how miserable so many of them are.

These guys are positively furious about everything....from gay marriage to Obamacare. The Iran nuclear deal has them positively apoplectic. They're convinced armageddon is here.

Those dumbshits are a good contrary indicator.

If they are angry, then that's a good thing.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
24. You are confusing volume with depth of emotion
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 01:52 PM
Jul 2015

Conservatives as currently constituted are loud and have a huge megaphone in the MSM and talk radio, they have been extensively and expensively trained in how to be what they are because they are such useful idiots.

Jay Gould once remarked that he could hire half the working class to kill the other half, Gould was an optimist.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
14. Seconded..
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 09:18 AM
Jul 2015

.... if these "people" would get off their fucking asses and learn what is actually going on they might figure out who to be mad at.

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
18. Yeah that's what it is
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 12:33 PM
Jul 2015

I was going to say "drunk angry" or "barstool bravado" anger, but your term is more accurate.

I've known too many of these types over the years ( decades ) and they've all shown how they're peripherally informed at best, and consistently bark up the wrong tree as to the source of their woes.

They're full of passionate emotion and righteous indignation...and they don't know shit. But they vote.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
28. This ought to be an OP. Excellent post.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 03:38 PM
Jul 2015

"...Misplaced fears, unjustified terror, mile-high ignorance and a comic-book understanding of the world ..."

That is a bloody brilliant summation of a Repuke mindset.

 

ann---

(1,933 posts)
6. Immigration is not the
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:24 AM
Jul 2015

only issue. To anyone with a brain, it's obvious that
Donald Dumpf does not have the gravitas and intelligence
to handle political office - especially the White House.

procon

(15,805 posts)
10. Conservatives won't ever blame Republicans for their problems.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:45 AM
Jul 2015

Yes, the world is changing, but they are not. All the right bent people who call themselves leaders, their populist groups, and religion, their favorite media, have all conspired to hold conservatives back and prevent generations of Americans from maturing and reaching their full potential.

Now their all stuck in limbo, trapped in a timewarp with no face-saving way out of the morass they've created. The Republicans gave them fear, terror, hate and bigotry, and now they've suddenly discovered that the world rejects everything they've been lead to believe is vital to their existence. To grow, to change, is just a bridge too far and would mean they would have to set aside everything they know and adapt to fit the modern world.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
15. And as usual for the sheeple
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 09:21 AM
Jul 2015

they're mad at everyone except the people who are actually ruining their lives: the 1%. The goddam dummies never learn a thing.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
16. The racist jackass portion of the GOP base is always angry.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 09:24 AM
Jul 2015

It's a good sign those bigoted freaks are angry.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
20. So did Bree Newsome.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 01:04 PM
Jul 2015

And she's on the side of the winners.
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Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
22. 538 disagrees
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 01:30 PM
Jul 2015

The magnificent Donald Trump has soared, bald-eagle-like, to the top of Republican presidential primary polls. He’s now in second place, behind only Jeb Bush, with what The Donald might call “the highest 13 percent ever recorded in human history” in polls conducted since he announced his bid for the presidency last month. So how seriously should we take the Trump “surge”?

The take-Trump-seriously logic goes something like this: There’s a lot of anger in the far right of the Republican Party, and The Donald is successfully tapping into it. He’s articulating positions that appeal to the far right on immigration, education and President Obama’s place of birth. The magnificent Trump, himself, has acknowledged that the tea party “loves me.” (Then again, what group does Trump believe doesn’t love him — besides the establishment?)

But the polling points to another, less sexy story: First, Republican voters don’t rate Trump as all that conservative, and second, he’s actually polling about equally well among all sections of the GOP. In Trump speak, this means he is loved universally; in reality, the broad, shallow nature of Trump’s support suggests it’s due mostly to near-universal name recognition, thanks in part to being in the news more often than the news anchors.

....

538

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
26. These assholes have been angry for decades. Remember 1994, The Year of the Angry White Man?
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 02:06 PM
Jul 2015

I know an old white guy who has benefited from every advantage, lives in luxury in his late 70s, and is furious with "The Others" -- especially Latinos. He is getting union benefits and he worships Reagan the union buster. I want to tell him to fuck off but he is weaseling his way into the family through a relative.

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